That was the worst play call in the history of the NFL

[Twiz]

Did he?

Carroll had no answer for New England's dink and donk plan on offense.

He made brady throw the ball 50 times. Last 4 QBs to do that went 0-4 in SBs. Forced 2 picks against the best post season quarterback EVER. Incorporated a player we've NEVER HEARD OF to catch HUGE balls in HUGE situations. Got a TD in the last 30 seconds of the first half...you know, the final 2 minutes of the half where pats have beaten teams ALL YEAR.

The answer to the dink and dunk is to give up a threat of deep balls, or to give up the run. He made New England put the game together and they did. He obviously didn't "shut down the Pats." There wasn't a gameplan in the universe that could have done that. But he did EXACTLY what he needed to do to put his team in a position to win. Russ lost that game. Sucks to say because he's such a likeable character but he lost that game...

[boomer62]

STFU with this never ending shit. Game came down to the end and they should have POUNDED it in with the best back in the NFL. Tried to be cute and it cost them. GAME IS OVER
Little kids have to complain and must be heard..... Really!!!

[SharpAngles]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/upshot/game-theory-says-pete-carrolls-call-at-goal-line-is-defensible.html?referrer=

[stevenash]

He made brady throw the ball 50 times.

Did Carroll make Brady throw the ball 50 times, or was the Patriot game plan to come out early and often throwing in the flat, and short flares?

Hmm, seems like from the get go that's what New England wanted to do.

[Twiz]

Did Carroll make Brady throw the ball 50 times, or was the Patriot game plan to come out early and often throwing in the flat, and short flares?

Hmm, seems like from the get go that's what New England wanted to do.

I'd argue it doesn't matter. Seahawks don't have fire power to win a shootout. Facts. No one wins giving up a 150 yard rusher. Nearly facts. The fact that the game was perfectly obtainable w/ 20 seconds left against Tom/bill/the dynasty should be all the evidence you need. Carroll called a beautiful game.

[aston]

IMO...They were expecting NE to call a timeout ,when they didn't it confused them and forced them to hurry up making a critical decision or call their last TO.

Everyone saying Belichick effed up not calling a TO...He knew exactly what he was doing.


have to agree!

Belichick > Caroll

have to agree!

[sneakerhead]

The fact that the game was perfectly obtainable w/ 20 seconds left against Tom/bill/the dynasty should be all the evidence you need.

Not that it matters at this point but they got there because of one of the luckiest catches we will ever see. Arguably the luckiest catch this season.

[homie1975]

If the pass was completed for a touchdown, it would have been called one of the great plays in SB history because everyone was thinking run but they went pass.

trust me on this

Come on folks this a complete and utter overreaction

[donkbetter]

@MMA Fan

You're falling under a classic misconception that because a back is a 'bruiser' that means he's a good goalline back. There is a LOT more that goes into being a goalline back besides just being 'sturdy' or resilient. This is because the offense has to block 11 men with 9 men. If running for 2-3 yards up the middle was "automatic", nfl teams would do it EVERY play, regardless of yard line.

Lynch is 1 for 5 this season from the 1 yard line. Facts. Lynch is in the bottom 25% of qualified backs for scoring from 1 yard out in the last 5 seasons. Facts. Lynch is more likely to LOSE YARDS from 1 yard out than he is to score a TD. FACTS. Attribute this to whatever you want, but the facts/stats stand firmly alone. Lynch gets stuffed on 2nd, Hawks have 2 downs, <20 seconds, and ZERO timeouts to get in. That means they have to call the next 2 plays together so they can get them off if clock doesn't stop. 2nd down was the best down for a pass. 1st arguably was, which is likely why lynch managed 4 yards on the carry before...because belichick was playing pass (only thing I'm not sure of in this post...more of an assumption so feel free to ignore...I'm a FACTS guy...)

Also wilfork was a HUGE factor all game. Even when he's not making plays, he's making plays by drawing double teams in the trenches. Hell, even the commentators mentioned this once or twice in the game. If they can see it, WE should see it.

Okay get real get a 300 lb linebacker in there snap the ball to him have two running backs behind him and push that fugger over the goal line why the hell not!

[donkbetter]

Yes i say fire him. They won that first Superbowl yes, but now i think its more the defense than Carroll. Maybe the defensive coordinator should be the head coach. Any coach that would throw from the 1 yard line, having the best RB in the NFL on your team, with the Superbowl on the line....that's a coach i don't want to play for. Players on that team have GOT to be questioning the coach this morning. I don't see how these guys get up to play for Pete Carroll anymore. That was an insane decision, i'm starting to think Carroll threw the game only because the decision was so stupid and the Pats corner read the play so well, its like he knew it was coming. The corner got to the spot on the field where the ball was thrown to, before the wide receiver even got there. Looking at the replay, it's very strange how he moved there so fast, without hesitation.

Carroll is a Rick Neihasual on steriods he's dumb as a rock- just a bullsheeter

[donkbetter]

CC explained that on TV. The WR was supposed to block his DB into the other DB, but got jammed at the line.

This allowed the other DB to break on the ball which he did. The WR ran a soft route and got bumped off the ball Wilson's throw was on the high side as well, which led to the INT.

Simply too much risk involved here for a play like that to win the Superbowl. If it is week 6 of the regular season maybe try it. Not now. Not here.

Bevall clearly doesnt look at stats and understand percentages or else he wouldve run Lynch 3X! Hell a 10 year old wouldve known to run Lynch there 3x!

it was a bart starr all the way just push the quarterback in get behind him and follow him kill him if you have to but get that ball over the goal line
forget Russell Wilson get laker boy in there anyone on the forum could have scored from there just tell him take the snap lower your body and hold on we're getting you over that line its done

[raydog]

Come on folks this a complete and utter overreaction

you know this and i know this... let them play coach for a bit... the morons will come to their senses and realize it wasnt a bad play call, just a shit pass...although it surprised the world and it wasnt a bad play call at all, no chance i let wilson throw it there... a dozen other qbs, yes, but wilson, no fukking way ... the coaching staff obviously has a lot more faith in him that I

this was from sometime yesterday :
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) | Twitter

https://twitter.com/adamschefter

17 mins ago - Russell Wilson's pass was the 109th time a QB threw from the 1-yd line this season and it was the 1st time it resulted in an interception. 0 replies 4,397 retweets ...

so not only is Lynch one of the worst from the 1 in the league, this tells me that the play was fine...nothing wrong with it and yes, it would have been called a great play if they scored... but you have a grossly overrated passing qb who lost the game for his team, yet somehow, is avoiding the blame for throwing the losing INT... homie, some guys just cant read between the lines

[homie1975]

Seattle only had 1 timeout left and 26 secs to go. If the run and get stopped they have to call timeout. That gives them one final play after the run and that's where a bootleg probably comes into play

[GunShard]

Pete Carroll was 2nd and stupid.

[wrongturn]

The best play should be stacking the box with Lynch behind, but with option of CB surprised leak out for pass. This is on top of read-option of Wilson keeping ball and run around corner, there are too many better options. Seattle actually had too much time wanted to burn (so that NE could not make another score), and that added confusion to players, which also contributed to the failure.

[ByeShea]

Keep hearing that Wilson audibled to a pass play, that the Patriots recognized and jumped the route. Carroll jumped on the grenade for his quarterback.

Makes sense.

[LEOLEO]

25.5 SECONDS AT SNAP,
IF THEY RUN AND ARE STOPPED , TIMEOUT AT 21 SECS.

AT 3RD DOWN GOAL FROM 1 OR 1.5
YOU VIRTUALLY TAKE AWAY ANY CHANCE OF RUN, IN CASE BALL STAYS IN BOUNDS 16 SECS LEFT, AND THEN NEW ENGLAND LAYS ON THE GUYS , DONT LET THEM UP TO RUN A PLAY or they RUSH getting to line. FALSE START =10 SEC RUNOFF game over
THERES POTENTIAL FOR a DEBACLE GOIN THAT ROUTE as well




ONLY 1 TIMEOUT

nothing wrong with the play, if u saw the lineup, the z, crosses behind the y receiver, that ball is intercepted 1 in 200

[LEOLEO]

1 timeout

1 timeout


1 timeout !!! they had

[donkbetter]

Darrell Royal .... " 3 things happen when you pass and two of them are bad"

[stevenash]

it was a bart starr all the way

Greatest QB of all time, five rings, 2 SB's and 3 right before that.

9 and 1 in the playoffs, back to back SB MVP.
Only man Lombardi ever allowed to change a play with an audible.

[Double Bogey]

This thread shows why 90% of you shouldn't bet football because you simply don't know the game.

If Beast mode is the obvious play call to get in from the 1...so obvious that EVERY media outlet and EVERY casual game watcher knew, then how obvious you think it was to Belichick. Remember the defense has an extra player on the field during run plays...remember wilfork is one of the best run stoppers of the last decade...remember belichick committed to getting the stop there by not calling the time out (for those who criticize bill's call there remember what happened last time he tried to put his offense on the field to win it instead of his defense...), and therefore seattle was racing against the clock as much as they were against the pats D.

Carroll called a BEAUTIFUL game. After watching the NFC 'ship, that guy could really be the second best coach in the national football league. This is coming from someone who HATES seattle (and more so new england for that matter). The fault is on Russell Wilson and ONLY him; had he thrown the ball to the back shoulder of the slant (as is typical on pick plays in the redzone), he would have won the game. Carroll called a flawless play. The man was by definition...WIDE OPEN.

Other options:
Lynch - too obvious, and that's even disregarding the fact that he has been SHIT from the 1 yard line all year (could it be...because its so expected!?!? *gasp*)
Fade - Decent call, but seattle has the worst receivers in the NFL versus some of the best corners. Russell sucks and probably more likely to throw a pick on that than on the slant even. Most likely a wasted play.
Bootleg - my initial instinct said that this was the call, but on second thought its probably fairly predictable and the risk/reward sucks because a sack would put the game all but out of reach for seattle (puts them in an intensely predictable situation based on down and distance)

So you gotta be safe but creative. Slant call fits the bill but Russ blew it. He's average as they come. Lynch would have got a touch on 3rd or 4th had Russ not thrown the pick. So don't blame pete.

Also...the corner made a hell of a play.

You are a bit misguided on this one. You know just enough to think you are brilliant, but too ignorant to know the truth.

Although being unpredictable and contrarian is often a good strategy, doing what the opponent doesn't want you to do works most. I guarantee that the patriots did not want another running play. If they could call the plays for sea, they would have picked something like that play.

And you should reevaluate your stance that everyone else is wrong. If you honestly believe you know better than all the former coaches and players (current and retired), you need to look into some therapy. Even most of the players on that team disagree with your assessment.

Yes the corner made a fantastic play, but the sea coaching staff should have never put their team in that position. Horrible coaching and a great play by a player.

[packerd_00]

Greatest QB of all time, five rings, 2 SB's and 3 right before that.

9 and 1 in the playoffs, back to back SB MVP.
Only man Lombardi ever allowed to change a play with an audible.

That was a true dynasty in my opinion.

[aston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgloErF-H2c

Check out the quickness with which Butler breaks on the ball. He literally jumps the slant right after the ball is snapped. This really backs up his assertion that he knew what play was coming based on the formation and film study.

[Twiz]

@Double Bogey

9 facts in my post you quoted. Your argument is backed by "Although being unpredictable and contrarian is often a good strategy, doing what the opponent doesn't want you to do works most. I guarantee that the patriots did not want another running play. If they could call the plays for sea, they would have picked something like that play." 0 facts. Just subjectivity and language indicative of a man with no business talking football.

I don't think I know better than "all former coaches and players." Many coaches and players have supported both angles.

"The seattle coaching staff should have never put their team in that position" lmao. What...you mean the position to win the game against the best postseason team/QB/coach of this century(arguably ever?)? The position where Russ could have throw a back shoulder ball and 100% either scored a TD or lived to play another down?

Corner did make an incredible play though. Least you hit one. Wastin' space fam.

Funny thing is people think the pass was the risky call there. A run was far riskier based on clock situation. All russ has to do is NOT throw a pick and the situation is avoided...100 other things he could have done with the ball.

[NoRespect]

Brady>95% of all NFL QBs ever. Belichick>85% of all NFL coaches ever. Facts are stubborn things.

[sneakerhead]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgloErF-H2c


Check out the quickness with which Butler breaks on the ball. He literally jumps the slant right after the ball is snapped. This really backs up his assertion that he knew what play was coming based on the formation and film study.

wow he jumped on the route before russel even gets into his throwing motion, unreal play

[OTL]

I don't know how Pete Carrol shows his face in Seattle again. It's going to be interesting to see if he loses the locker room after this debacle.

And what about Lynch? Does he re-sign or will he walk in disgust?

[brooks85]

lol saw wilson on tv saying he wouldn't change or do anything over. "no doubt" in play call.


love how he even admits where he made his mistake but still no one holds him accountable

"It looked open enough,'' Wilson said to reporters at the Seahawks facility on locker room clean-out day. "When I threw it, it was, 'Touchdown. Second Super Bowl ring. Here we go.'''


just ridiculous, final play to win the superbowl and you're going to throw on the goal line where it looked open enough.

[Big Bear]

It's 2nd and goal at the 1

Any elementary-age child playing Madden in that situation would know to run Marshawn 3 times. LOL

Congratulations Pats

in Pete carolls defense there was only 20 seconds left with 1 time out.

not enough time to run it 3 times.

Calling a time out would have set up a better play call but then if Lynch didnt get it , ljkely time would have expired.

[swordsandtequila]

lol saw wilson on tv saying he wouldn't change or do anything over. "no doubt" in play call.


love how he even admits where he made his mistake but still no one holds him accountable

"It looked open enough,'' Wilson said to reporters at the Seahawks facility on locker room clean-out day. "When I threw it, it was, 'Touchdown. Second Super Bowl ring. Here we go.'''


just ridiculous, final play to win the superbowl and you're going to throw on the goal line where it looked open enough.

What do you expect him to do, throw his coaches under the bus? No true professional is going to publicly question his coach, he's taking responsibility the same way Carroll's taking the heat for his OC. Winners take the criticism along with the praise, losers blame others.

[brooks85]

What do you expect him to do, throw his coaches under the bus? No true professional is going to publicly question his coach, the same way Carroll's taking the heat for his OC. Winners take the criticism along with the praise, losers blame others.

No, I expect to say " I shouldn't have made that throw" because he shouldn't have made that throw. If you want to throw the ball that is fine but you never throw that ball in that situation ever. Catch or not, that is a Farve-like decision.

[lakerboy]

Is the game over yet?

[swordsandtequila]

It was open when he threw it, Butler jumped the route. Kearse didn't get off his bump to pick Butler, which is what the play called for. Split second decision. Bad play call, never should have been called in the first place.

[donkeyman]

STFU with this never ending shit. Game came down to the end and they should have POUNDED it in with the best back in the NFL. Tried to be cute and it cost them. GAME IS OVER
Little kids have to complain and must be heard..... Really!!!

Says the ASSMAN Troll. Get a job ASSMAN.

[opie1988]

I think Belichick must read SBR.....

"There has been a lot of criticism that I don't think is anywhere close to being deserved or founded," Belichick said Tuesday during his weekly appearance on sports radio WEEI in Boston. "That football team is very good, very well-coached, and Pete does a great job.
"Malcolm and Brandon [Browner], on that particular play, just made a great play. I think the criticism they've gotten for the game is totally out of line and by a lot of people who I don't think are anywhere near even qualified to be commenting on it."