Bodog...EVERY total circled???!!

[standup3]

I just joined Bodog. Every college football total is circled. Therefore cannot be played in parlays. I am mainly a parlay player. Is this normal with Bodog? I have never seen this before. Did I pick the wrong book?

Thanks for any help on this

[isetcap]

Did I pick the wrong book?

YES

[Sam Odom]

I have to ask... Why Bodog?

[isetcap]

I have to ask... Why Bodog?

Slutty looking girls with fake ?

[standup3]

Well this sucks. I went by the A+ rating on this board. If they are known for doing this, I saw no warning anywhere. Would Pinnicale have been a better choice?

[Sam Odom]

If a newbie spent just 1/2 hr reading SBR I cannot understand why he would pick bodog over several others.

[BuddyBear]

Standup...you are new here. Let me explain to you the situation and the way it works. The ratings by SBR are based strictly on adversting dollars and personal relationships that Bill and John have with the managers who run these books. John has come out and all but said this....when I asked him what makes VIP an A+ book all he could say was that he was a good friend of the general manager and that he is a great guy or some other lame reason.

Is your money safe in Bodog...sure it is. Is there anything unique about Bodog...nope. It has late lines, crappy lines with high juice (i.e -115/-120), high juice, limited game totals, etc....Bodog is not by any stretch of the imagination an A+ book...more like a B+ book. You would be hard pressed to find anyone on these forums who thinks Bodog is an A+ book....it just is not plain and simple A+ means perfect...it's a total joke just like VIP, WWTS, bet365, and Bodog.

The only true A+ book is Pinnacle. Pinnacle is as good as it gets bar none. Nothing else is even remotely close. Go with them and you won't regret it.

[Doc JS]

Standup...you are new here. Let me explain to you the situation and the way it works. The ratings by SBR are based strictly on adversting dollars and personal relationships that Bill and John have with the managers who run these books. John has come out and all but said this....when I asked him what makes VIP an A+ book all he could say was that he was a good friend of the general manager and that he is a great guy or some other lame reason.

Is your money safe in Bodog...sure it is. Is there anything unique about Bodog...nope. It has late lines, crappy lines with high juice (i.e -115/-120), high juice, limited game totals, etc....Bodog is not by any stretch of the imagination an A+ book...more like a B+ book. You would be hard pressed to find anyone on these forums who thinks Bodog is an A+ book....it just is not plain and simple A+ means perfect...it's a total joke just like VIP, WWTS, bet365, and Bodog.

The only true A+ book is Pinnacle. Pinnacle is as good as it gets bar none. Nothing else is even remotely close. Go with them and you won't regret it.

Buddy Bear,

Thanks for the heads up. I, too, had read the reviews and was looking at Bodog.

If you don't mind my asking, What do your opinion of The Greek? Or would you be kind enough to offer your top three books?

Thanks in advance,

Doc JS

[BuddyBear]

Buddy Bear,

Thanks for the heads up. I, too, had read the reviews and was looking at Bodog.

If you don't mind my asking, What do your opinion of The Greek? Or would you be kind enough to offer your top three books?

Thanks in advance,

Doc JS

Doc....The Greek and Betjm are really great books. They are well run, great CS, and very reliable. They are definitely high quality books. You should really have a good gaming experience with them. Open up an account with them and with Pinnacle and you'll be fine. I could have a million dollars in there or Pinnacle and I would not lose a wink of sleep. If those books go down then the whole industry is down and defunct. I highly recommened them.

Now...it's not to say that Bodog is bad. Just the opposite. Bodog is a satisfactory book and worth having an account with. Lot of great features and your money is safe. It just has a lot of shortcomings when you compare it to other A+ books. It's not nearly at the same level. I don't think anyone with a conscience could look you straight in the eye and say it is an A+ book. I personally grade Bodog in the B+/A- range.

Let me know if you need anything else Doc....

[GHOST]

Doc....The Greek and Betjm are really great books. They are well run, great CS, and very reliable. They are definitely high quality books. You should really have a good gaming experience with them. Open up an account with them and with Pinnacle and you'll be fine. I could have a million dollars in there or Pinnacle and I would not lose a wink of sleep. If those books go down then the whole industry is down and defunct. I highly recommened them.

Now...it's not to say that Bodog is bad. Just the opposite. Bodog is a satisfactory book and worth having an account with. Lot of great features and your money is safe. It just has a lot of shortcomings when you compare it to other A+ books. It's not nearly at the same level. I don't think anyone with a conscience could look you straight in the eye and say it is an A+ book. I personally grade Bodog in the B+/A- range.

Let me know if you need anything else Doc....

wasn't it just you that said bodog sucks cause they have 20 cent lines? Oympic has 20 cent lines right?

[Chuck Sims]

BoDog is a poor sportsbook. Late to put up lines. They do not take kindly to winners either.

Pinnacle...WSEX...The Greek are top shelf. Good luck.

[SBR_John]

Poster just so you know BuddyBear has some pretty wild conspiracy theories. The books we rate are not based on advertising which Buddy knows or we would have the same crap books as our competitors have.

Selecting a book is a little like selcting a new car. Some guys like Buddy may only think heavy duty trucks, like a Pinnacle, are cool. But remember, Pinnacle does not have hardly any bonuses and no live phone support.

So there are trade offs depending on what fits your style of play. If you dont need a big bonus or need phone support then Pinnacle is a great book and our #1 rated book.

[BuddyBear]

wasn't it just you that said bodog sucks cause they have 20 cent lines? Oympic has 20 cent lines right?

Listen rookie....Bodog is a safe book and has a lot of nice things but is not an A+ book. the Greek is a top notch book. When a considerable number of your games are -115/-105 then that is an issue. Basically Bodog is either going to make you pay more juice to back your team or you are going to have to take the other team with most likely a bad number but lower juice. It's just pathetic on their part. I said bodog is safe and good CS but players need more than that.

The Greek and Betjm are top notch books...you can't go wrong with that. If you bet once a day on Saturday and don't even look at the lines all week then Bodog is for you....most on these forums expect a little more. No way Bodog is an A+

[tacomax]

Standup...you are new here. Let me explain to you the situation and the way it works. The ratings by SBR are based strictly on adversting dollars and personal relationships that Bill and John have with the managers who run these books. John has come out and all but said this....when I asked him what makes VIP an A+ book all he could say was that he was a good friend of the general manager and that he is a great guy or some other lame reason.

Is it just me or can anyone else hear the sound of a broken record?

[BuddyBear]

No I don't have wild conspiracy theories John.....i have what is known as an "institutional analysis." I always give SBR the benefit of the doubt and never miss an opportunity to praise all the good work they do.

All watchdog groups operate the same way though John just can't come to terms with this fact....it just so happens SBR has deals with the better books as opposed to the lower tier books. Why should the top books cut deals with everyone if SBR is main watchdog group. To say someone is not influenced by money is utterly ludicrous.

I'll explain very easy with the facts and you be the judge and these are striclty facts....

1) SBR is a profit-seeking enterprise
2) SBR relies heavily on advertising for their revenue
3) SBR grades sportsbooks
4) Sportsbooks need players and must advertise to remain competitive and establish a clientale
5) Players look at SBR grades to get an idea about what books to play with and which ones to avoid
6) SBR depends on advertising revenue to exist, sportsbooks depend on players to exist.
7) SBR does not get money from guys posting if you haven't noticed
7) Hence backroom deals and implicit word of mouth contracts are common in this type of "watchdog" industry. A guy i know very well tells me it's not uncommon to see John going to visit a sportsbook and coming out with a briefcase in his hand.
8) Everything on SBR is an advertisement...there is nothing on here that is not an advertisement. From the banners to the thread sponsors.
9) Mods are instructed to talk lavishly about the books that advertise on here or else they will get canned. Why do you think Mudcat is no longer a mod....he devitated from the company policy so they canned him in a heartbeat.
10) Everyone is suspecitible to the influence of money like it or not


Lot of what I say on here is not popular and I've even been threatned by a mod to stop talking or else. I've gotten PMs from members who thank me for speaking truth to power and think i am very brave and admire the work I do on behalf of the player. I like to consider myself the voice of conscience on here.

John and Bill are good guys.....top of the line fellows but remember they are corporate guys too. They wear ties and suits to work. They are out there to make deals not bets on games. Their interest is in money not gambling.

Let me know if you have any more questions fellows....

[SBR_John]

Buddy,
And I appreciate your opinions on books. The only thing I have that you don't, is the expierence of working in the business and seeing 100's of players a day choose a book.

My personal lineup is Pinnacle, CRIS, TheGreek and WSEX. They fit my style to a tee. But that is not the best lineup for every player. In fact, both VIP and Bodog get more signups from SBR than Pinnacle. Why? Because the vast majority of players are small players just looking to have some fun. They call up VIP or Bodog and they hold their hand while they send in their $100 deposit.

So our difference, you and I, is that through SBR I try to review books that cover the entire demographic and present the books that fit everyones style. Somehow, you either fail to understand that or maybe you honestly don't understand it. But every player is different and we are not going to force them into a Pinnacle if their needs dictate a Bodog.

[GHOST]

I agree great post sir

[pags11]

tacomax,

always good to see you chiming in when a real respected poster makes excellent points in a post...

buddy makes a lot of sense in what he says and is very knowledgable on the industry...this guy just tells it like it is...I for one am dissapointed he doesn't post as much here because of all the unwarranted crap he's taken...he's a valuable asset to this forum, as well as an outstanding college football and college basketball handicapper

while I respectfully disagree with John that there are actually a good percentage of players (when fully educated) that would choose bodog over pinny, I see what he is saying...I think it's OK for SBR to admit they have a vested interest in sportsbook's that advertise here be successful...I haven't seen any questionable books advertise here, but then again I don't pay attention a whole lot either...

I want SBR to make money and I have no problem with them doing it through advertising with good books...I just think the rating system could be tweaked a little, that's all...

[tacomax]

buddy makes a lot of sense in what he says and is very knowledgable on the industry...

No he doesn't and no he most definately isn't. It's just the same old rehashed tripe time after time after time. I do find it quite funny, though - in a laughing at him way rather than a laughing with him way.

I don't pay attention a whole lot either

I've noticed that. You spent all night spamming the threads without seemingly paying any attention at all.

[Sam Odom]

My personal lineup is Pinnacle, CRIS, TheGreek and WSEX.

I understand SBR's need for bodog, John.

Your 4 books because of the times we're in should IMHO be where the newbies park their cash. Hell, not just newbies!

[Yoshi]

I dont have issues with anyone here, so let me say out loud what 90% of the neutral posters prolly think: Buddybear is an agressive, strange and often clueless poster.
Just because someone makes several thousand posts, you dont have to "respect" him if he writes crap.

[BuddyBear]

I agree great post sir

Thanks Ghost....good luck this weekend with your plays.

[BuddyBear]

I dont have issues with anyone here, so let me say out loud what 90% of the neutral posters prolly think: Buddybear is an agressive, strange and often clueless poster.
Just because someone makes several thousand posts, you dont have to "respect" him if he writes crap.

Yoshi.....i would respect someone with several thousand posts. It is a sign of endurance and knowledge being able to contribute for such a long period of time. General rule of thumb, the bad posters usually post in the lows 100s and then eventually leave b/c they have nothing left to contribute or have gone broke. The good posters get about 500 or so and leave b/c they went broke and have nothing left to say The great posters post in the 1000s and above b/c they have a lot to contribute and are long-term winners. Every now and then you get a guy like tacomax who posts a lot...but that's more b/c he does not have a life not b/c he has anything important to include in these discussions.

I respect most guys with a high post count and so should you Yoshi and I accept your apology.

[pags11]

tacomax is going to cut and paster's annonymous...he has a lot of time on his hands since he never posts any picks...in fact, I wonder if he even bets games...

he is really good at being an ass...got to give him that...

and he seriously abuses this icon:

tacomax

as far as buddybear goes, he's a class act...he's one of the first guy's in the forum that I noticed had a lot of talent as a poster...he's got knowledge of the industry and handicaps games well, which are the two main reasons to be on this site...

yoshi, you may not agree with all that he says, but agreeing to disagree is never a bad thing...you do have to admit he always has reasoning behind his feelings...GL...