The running QB....great for Heisman trophies and college guaranteed fail in NFL

Booya711 · 12-30-14, 04:55 PM

been saying this for years broker. It amazes me the wasted draft picks on these guys

GunShard · 12-30-14, 08:57 PM

Pocket passer > Running quarterback

Booya711 · 12-30-14, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by GunShard

Pocket passer > Running quarterback

has been and dont see it changing anytime soon

TheMoneyShot · 12-30-14, 09:18 PM

I totally agree with the OP. When I was younger... and ignorant... I always thought the Heisman QB winner who could run... was the best one to select for a NFL football franchise. Clearly it's hopeless.

Yes, you need mobility in the pocket. But you don't need him to run every down.

I think there's pressure on teams with the first 3 selections in a draft. They don't want to be the fool... that lets the running QB slip away. If that QB has a hell of a year... and the other player they selected has a sh#$y one... the GM would take some heat from the media... probably would never forget it.

I think that's the only reason why an option QB is selected. Also, probably from a business standpoint... merchandising... etc... probably sparks the team when you select the Heisman winner. So... who really knows?? But I do agree... GM's have to have big balls... and pass up on the option QB's.

SEAHAWKHARRY · 12-30-14, 09:27 PM

Ummm

RUSSEL WILSON!!!!!

Booya711 · 12-30-14, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by SEAHAWKHARRY

Ummm

RUSSEL WILSON!!!!!

he can actually throw from the pocket Harry...he does not think run first

texhooper · 12-30-14, 09:52 PM

steve young seems to be the exception to this rule, but he became pretty good pocket passer at the nfl level. the truth of the matter is the allure of getting a guy who can run with the measurables to become a great passer (like a vince young or a mike vick) would yield an unstoppable force at qb capable of winning a super bowl should everything live up to its potential. but as you said, it so so so rarely happens.

jjgold · 12-30-14, 09:54 PM

NFL form white , tall, smart drop back passers that have good feet

Russell Wilson is not a runner but a great thrower on the move or pocket .

texhooper · 12-30-14, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by SEAHAWKHARRY

Ummm

RUSSEL WILSON!!!!!

he's about as close as you can get in the nfl. the truth of the matter is though, he's not a runner who happens to be able to throw, he's the other way around. when he was in college, especially at wisconsin, that man was chunking it all over the damn field. he was my personal favorite player that year.

The Kraken · 12-30-14, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

NFL form white , tall, smart drop back passers that have good feet

Russell Wilson is not a runner but a great thrower on the move or pocket .

Ryan Leaf

k13 · 12-30-14, 10:08 PM

Steve young says hi...

Most qb's are busts either way plus you need a good system and coaches.

texhooper · 12-30-14, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by k13

Steve young says hi...

Most qb's are busts either way plus you need a good system and coaches.

tell steve i said what's up.

t-wizzle · 12-30-14, 10:34 PM

College teams are under more pressure than ever. Programs are too impatient to go through the process of developing a pocket passer. So now they recruit the running quarterbacks who can run the spread and read option. It's the easiest path to instant success.

This will continue to matriculate its way up the chain to the NFL as the crop of pocket passers dwindles over time.

rm18 · 12-31-14, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

NFL form white , tall, smart drop back passers that have good feet

Russell Wilson is not a runner but a great thrower on the move or pocket .

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bettilimbroke999 · 12-31-14, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by SEAHAWKHARRY

Ummm

RUSSEL WILSON!!!!!

An elite passer with a 63.4% career comp rate...maybe not quite as sharp as Peytons 65.5% but pretty damn good

bettilimbroke999 · 12-31-14, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by texhooper

steve young seems to be the exception to this rule, but he became pretty good pocket passer at the nfl level. the truth of the matter is the allure of getting a guy who can run with the measurables to become a great passer (like a vince young or a mike vick) would yield an unstoppable force at qb capable of winning a super bowl should everything live up to its potential. but as you said, it so so so rarely happens.

Well sure this is the pray for a miracle idea that keeps getting them drafted in the first round as well as the allure of drafting a college "phenom" Heisman trophy winning QB to your team (surely his will to win and natural talent he demonstrated in college will "find a way")...the problem is this simply never works out EVER....sure ud prefer a QB with great passing AND the ability to run but the idea that in the NFL they're going to "become" a great passer is absurd. In HS a phenomenal running QB shit passer in college a phenomenal running QB shit passer oh in NFL he'll become a great passer...no...not gonna happen and will never happen.

We all know Steve Young could run...that's an advantage but heres an excerpt on Young that is a little more telling on his success in the NFL.

At the time of his retirement, he had the highest passer rating among NFL quarterbacks who have thrown at least 1,500 passing attempts (96.8), and is currently ranked third. He is also still ranked highest amongst retired players. Young also won a record six NFL passer rating titles.

champlain · 12-31-14, 11:40 PM

Russell Wilson is the exception and really, he's more like Roethlisberger in that he scrambles to pass first and will run, if nothing is open.

bettilimbroke999 · 12-31-14, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by champlain

Russell Wilson is the exception and really, he's more like Roethlisberger in that he scrambles to pass first and will run, if nothing is open.

Take away his phenomenal passing and hed be mopping floors at the local Walmart...I am not saying that running is a detriment what I'm saying is that passing skill is 100x more critical in the NFL...the truth is most of the fastest college phenom running QBs have actually had their passer development hindered as a result of their tremendous running ability...why throw it to a RB that you run faster than in high school? Why try to pinpoint a pass when u might be able to bust a 20 yard run? Just find a hole and fukin outrun ppl....but think of a guy like Peyton...slow as molasses his whole life...clearly his running wasnt going to get him anywhere so he developed a phenomenal passing game over years and years of development from childhood.

When ppl are amazed by your running ability and ur running for TD after TD in high school while ppl marvel at ur speed what are u gonna do give that up and spend all ur time developing ur passing game...penetrate no ur gonna just sprint like a deer into the end zone as colleges love the running QB and u will become a top college prospect...hell u might even win a Heisman.........then ur drafted to the NFL and suddenly ur asked to pass like God

carolinacapper · 12-31-14, 11:54 PM

NFL offenses are mostly based on timing and rthymn, routes are designed to match QB drops and require throwing accuracy. QB's have to be able to make pre-snap reads and have confident decision making. Accuracy and timing are more important than in college because the receivers in the NFL are not always able to get the separation from DB's they might in college. The ball needs to come out on time and in a tight window.

The closing speed of DB's in the NFL is MUCH faster than college (apart from an elite few) and this often surprises the young QB. All these factors make the NFL game more difficult a jump for the spread/running QB who in college often has just one or maybe two options before he just takes off and runs.

One QB to keep an eye on in college is Christian Hackenburg from Penn St.

TPowell · 01-01-15, 04:33 AM

The big thing now is the pocket passer with some mobility (Luck, Rodgers, etc)

Dollars2Donuts · 01-01-15, 05:14 AM

It isn't hard to figure out guys.....you need to look at it from a different perspective. At the draft, or leading up to the draft, people forget about reality. The unattainable dream, the high end passer with enough speed to break down a defense.

This dream is like so many other dreams....

The super hot, super fast car that is cheap and good on gas.

The super hot chick that likes you for your personality, doesn't care that you are fat and broke.

The online MBA from an 'accredited school' that only costs you $998 and will land you a job as a CEO.

It isn't a secret.....if you could have Peyton Manning with the ability to run like Barry Sanders, you would have the best weapon that ever existed in the NFL. THAT is why these guys with such amazing, raw talent are drafted high every year. The problem is (and I won't go into the 'why' here) it just won't happen.

Happy New Year

bettilimbroke999 · 01-01-15, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

The big thing now is the pocket passer with some mobility (Luck, Rodgers, etc)

This is fine...but pocket passers WITHOUT ANY mobility (Brady, Manning, etc) are doing just fine as well

TwoWays · 01-01-15, 05:34 PM

Mariotta going to be amazing at the next level

bettilimbroke999 · 01-01-15, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts

It isn't hard to figure out guys.....you need to look at it from a different perspective. At the draft, or leading up to the draft, people forget about reality. The unattainable dream, the high end passer with enough speed to break down a defense.

This dream is like so many other dreams....

The super hot, super fast car that is cheap and good on gas.

The super hot chick that likes you for your personality, doesn't care that you are fat and broke.

The online MBA from an 'accredited school' that only costs you $998 and will land you a job as a CEO.

It isn't a secret.....if you could have Peyton Manning with the ability to run like Barry Sanders, you would have the best weapon that ever existed in the NFL. THAT is why these guys with such amazing, raw talent are drafted high every year. The problem is (and I won't go into the 'why' here) it just won't happen.

Happy New Year

Exactly...the concept is that you can somehow suddenly (for the first time in history) "teach" a running QB that has played football for years to be a running Brady or Manning....I mean seriously I know it sounds delusional but that's the idea. Ya see in college with their dominant offensive lines and inferior defenders (tackling, coverage, closing speed, size) a running QB can be the best player (take a look at the Heisman for example...running QB, running QB, running QB)...I mean seriously hes gonna have multiple options on every play...if they only rush 3 or 4 hes gonna run and with any blocking hell pickup nice yards each time...if they go all out blitz hes gonna read it and screen or have multiple receivers wide open for a pass you or I could complete...yards yards and more yards

THIS IS WHY THE POCKET PASSER IS NOT EVEN THAT VALUABLE IN COLLEGE. I mean seriously the running QB is unstoppable in college everytime...but in the NFL where its virtually all passing all the time at the QB position and the defenders are all absolutely elite this will never work EVER...never has never will EVER...the truth of the matter is college is a horrible test for a QB entering the NFL this is why Brady went 199th in the 2000 draft but still became probably the best QB in the league...that rooster_eater can pass a football throw the eye of a needle and is smart enough to read defenses and not rackup interceptions