There will be one contract worse than Russell Martin's this year....Andrew Miller

[BennyBigNuts]

This hype for him is a joke.
I don't know what these ppl are thinking but he's fool's gold.
Not buying his numbers at all.

Hope the Yankees sign him.

Robertson will be a close 3rd by the way. Definitely not worth what he's about to get.

[jjgold]

Benny 80% of baseball contracts are totally ridiculous

Most never live up to expectations

[Big Bear]

Andrew Miller is one of the best relief pitchers in baseball in my humble opinion.

Terrific signing for whoever gets him.

Only lefty better is Alroldis Chapman.

[lakerboy]

Never heard of him.

[BennyBigNuts]

Andrew Miller is one of the best relief pitchers in baseball in my humble opinion.

Terrific signing for whoever gets him.

Only lefty better is Alroldis Chapman.

LOL yeah right

[laclippers504]

He is solid

[jt315]

If the Yanks lose Robertson he is a must sign for the Yanks setting up for Betances .
Guy is just as effective vs. righties.

[GUMMO77]

Bonilla has about 20 years left on his contract.

[terrortwylight]

....do you guys even watch baseball?

[jt315]

If the Yanks lose Robertson he is a must sign for the Yanks setting up for Betances .
Guy is just as effective vs. righties.

Done deal.

[daneblazer]

Guy looks like he's been camping in Montana for 7 months

[jose21_us]

Was this the piece of shit that played for the marlins?

[stevenash]

This hype for him is a joke.
I don't know what these ppl are thinking but he's fool's gold.
Not buying his numbers at all.

Hope the Yankees sign him.

Robertson will be a close 3rd by the way. Definitely not worth what he's about to get.

Beat me to the thread Benny.
Yep.

Besides the K ratio, what numbers stick out, I mean good numbers, this guy is trash.

Year ▴	Tm	W	L	ERA	G	GS	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	HR9	BB9	SO9	SO/W
2006	DET	0	1	6.1	8	0	0	10.1	8	9	7	0	10	6	77	5.47	1.742	7	0	8.7	5.2	0.6
2007	DET	5	5	5.63	13	13	0	64	73	43	40	8	39	56	81	5.27	1.75	10.3	1.1	5.5	7.9	1.44
2008	FLA	6	10	5.87	29	20	0	107.1	120	78	70	7	56	89	74	4	1.64	10.1	0.6	4.7	7.5	1.59
2009	FLA	3	5	4.84	20	14	0	80	85	52	43	7	43	59	89	4.45	1.6	9.6	0.8	4.8	6.6	1.37
2010	FLA	1	5	8.54	9	7	0	32.2	51	34	31	6	26	28	49	6.23	2.357	14.1	1.7	7.2	7.7	1.08
2011	BOS	6	3	5.54	17	12	0	65	77	43	40	8	41	50	78	5.12	1.815	10.7	1.1	5.7	6.9	1.22
2012	BOS	3	2	3.35	53	0	0	40.1	28	15	15	3	20	51	127	3.17	1.19	6.2	0.7	4.5	11.4	2.55
2013	BOS	1	2	2.64	37	0	0	30.2	25	12	9	3	17	48	158	3.05	1.37	7.3	0.9	5	14.1	2.82

[stevenash]

....do you guys even watch baseball?

Yeah, I watch a shit load of baseball, what's your point?

[daneblazer]

Beat me to the thread Benny.
Yep.

Besides the K ratio, what numbers stick out, I mean good numbers, this guy is trash.

Year ▴	Tm	W	L	ERA	G	GS	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	ERA+	FIP	WHIP	H9	HR9	BB9	SO9	SO/W
2006	DET	0	1	6.1	8	0	0	10.1	8	9	7	0	10	6	77	5.47	1.742	7	0	8.7	5.2	0.6
2007	DET	5	5	5.63	13	13	0	64	73	43	40	8	39	56	81	5.27	1.75	10.3	1.1	5.5	7.9	1.44
2008	FLA	6	10	5.87	29	20	0	107.1	120	78	70	7	56	89	74	4	1.64	10.1	0.6	4.7	7.5	1.59
2009	FLA	3	5	4.84	20	14	0	80	85	52	43	7	43	59	89	4.45	1.6	9.6	0.8	4.8	6.6	1.37
2010	FLA	1	5	8.54	9	7	0	32.2	51	34	31	6	26	28	49	6.23	2.357	14.1	1.7	7.2	7.7	1.08
2011	BOS	6	3	5.54	17	12	0	65	77	43	40	8	41	50	78	5.12	1.815	10.7	1.1	5.7	6.9	1.22
2012	BOS	3	2	3.35	53	0	0	40.1	28	15	15	3	20	51	127	3.17	1.19	6.2	0.7	4.5	11.4	2.55
2013	BOS	1	2	2.64	37	0	0	30.2	25	12	9	3	17	48	158	3.05	1.37	7.3	0.9	5	14.1	2.82

Many a player sucked as a starter and excelled as a reliever. You left out 2014 where he was stellar.

that said only way you can justify this contract is to let him close so Betances arbitration price stays down. Not sure they're going that route though. Middle relievers are a dime a dozen

[stevenash]

I left out 2014 to make a point.
Stupid to pay a reliever almost 10 million a year, who was barely mediocre as a reliever in 2012 and 2013, has a nice 2014, and all of a sudden he's the second coming of Mo.
He's more like the second coming of Brady Anderson, one monster season, everything else, mediocre.

[jt315]

Would you put Wade Davis in the same category ?

[stevenash]

Would you put Wade Davis in the same category ?

Compared to Miller?
No, apples and oranges.
Wade Davis was rock solid coming out of the bullpen in 2012, look at the season he had for the Rays in 2012.
He was already a proven late inning reliever in 2012.
Then he went in that blockbuster deal with Shields to KC in December 2012

In 2013, KC thought he could be a key starter, that backfired, the last two months or so of 2013, KC moved Davis back to the bullpen, and was brilliant.

Point being, Davis was already a proven late innings reliver, KC thought he could be just as an effective starter, backfired, moved him back, finished 2013 lights out in the 'pen, like he was in 2012, and 2014 had one of the greatest single season a relief pitcher ever had.

Miller's 2012 adnd 2013 were pedestrial like, take away the games started by Davis in 2013, Davis as a reliever in 2012 and 2013 were brilliant.

[BennyBigNuts]

Would you put Wade Davis in the same category ?

Wade Davis is a fukkin flame throwing beast. He always had potential as a starter, and now has found his calling as a reliever.
Miller has taken the same path, but his stuff is no where near Davis.
No way Miller continues to do what he did the last 1 1/2 seasons.

[You mad bro]

Wade Davis is a fukkin flame throwing beast. He always had potential as a starter, and now has found his calling as a reliever.
Miller has taken the same path, but his stuff is no where near Davis.
No way Miller continues to do what he did the last 1 1/2 seasons.

Oh Benny Benny Benny

[MoneyLineDawg]

Big lefty arm that can get strikeouts out of the pen is very valuable

Maybe a little overpaid but Yankees don't care if they throw a few extra mil

[stevenash]

^@Bro
But he's right, I'm a big Yankee fan too Bro, but I don't like it.
Not a fan of Robertson either, but given the choice, I prefer Robertson.
Robertson will never be elite though. Davis in KC is knocking on elite's door, and the feeling here is Miller is a one season wonder.

[stevenash]

Big lefty arm that can get strikeouts out of the pen is very valuable

There's more than you think.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/hand/left/sort/gamesPlayed

Here's a list of all LHP relievers, compare the K's to IP's on them

[MoneyLineDawg]

There's more than you think.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/hand/left/sort/gamesPlayed

Here's a list of all LHP relievers, compare the K's to IP's on them

True, but looks like Miller had the best combo of WHIP and K/9 of any relievers....Pretty much equal to Chapman in that regard last season

[BennyBigNuts]

Add Robertson to the list. 4 years 46 mill.
You really think the Yanks wouldn't have given him that if they thought he was good?
You can jerk off to his numbers all you want last year, guy is hittable, overrated, and will be a choker.

[jt315]

Add Robertson to the list. 4 years 46 mill.
You really think the Yanks wouldn't have given him that if they thought he was good?
You can jerk off to his numbers all you want last year, guy is hittable, overrated, and will be a choker.

Not a question of him being good. Did they let Cano go because they didn't think he was any good?
They knew they would most likely lose him and are going with their backup plan of Miller , Betances.
All Robertson did was replace a legend on the biggest stage in baseball and did more than a respectable job last year.

[BennyBigNuts]

Brandon Mccarthy 4 year 48 million.
I just don't get what these guys are looking at to throw these scrubs money.
Guy had one good month last year basically.
Amazing.

[BennyBigNuts]

Chase Headley 4 years 52 million.

122 whiffs in 450 ab's last year and a measly 13 hr's. Batted 240.

Fukkin insane.

[jose21_us]

almost as bad as the carl pavano deal....

[daneblazer]

Brett Anderson 10 mil 1 year. Wtf

oh to be left handed

[Big Bear]

Brett Anderson 10 mil 1 year. Wtf

oh to be left handed

what team?

[broadway6]

what team?

Dodgers

[Big Bear]

Dodgers

not a bad spot for Anderson. He should get a lot of run support and pitching in LA will be a lot easier than Coors Field.

When he was with Oakland i really had a high opinion of him but same thing with Trevor Cahill...

guess anybody can pitch like an ace in Oakland with all that foul territory and big dimensions

[NYSportsGuy210]

Baseball contracts are a joke. So much wasted money on mediocre talent it's not even funny.

Can the Mets please trade for Ben Zobrist now?

[Jets12]

I think a lot depends on how teams value pitch framing, but if you look at steamer or Zips projected WAR for Martin over the the life of his contract, they got a bargain. I do think the money the good relievers are making right now is insane, considering how quickly they decline/lose velocity. Miller was insanely good last year tho.