How come the Japs kick our ass in baseball?

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:33 PM

you are using wins to measure a pitchers quality

\you dont watch baseball
case is closed dude

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Granderson? He is not in the top 100 baseball players in America.

Look at the list provided. What if Lincecum and Sabathia had pitched in this game instead of Roy Oswalt, who was a great pitcher 5 years ago but now he is completely washed up. We followed him up with Grabow who I have never even heard of.

Japan would have MAYBE scratched across 2 runs if we threw Lincecum followed by Beckett, Lester, Sabathia, I could go on and on.

We honestly would have mercy ruled the Japanese if our best had been there. If they allow mercy rule in semi finals. If not we score 15 runs with our best possible lineup.

We had Adam Dunn batting clean up. He is not in the top 200 baseball players from America.

We had Mark De La Rosa starting. Are you kidding me? He is not in the top 50 hitters in America.

Read the list provided of our best hitters. We could have put a lineup out there than won every game by mercy rule.

Where was Matt Holliday? Where was Chase Utley?

Where was Beckett? Lester?

We lost to the Japanese because we did not play even close to our best players. A few of our best were in there but nowhere close to the lineup we could have put out there. And definately not the pitching that we could have put out there.

Oswalt followed by Grabow, that is laughable compared to the firepower we can put on the mound.

We have 300 pitchers in America right now much better than Grabow. Probably 100 better than Oswalt.

A fact is a fact and the fact here is that we did not put close to our best lineup out there. If we had the result would have been a blowout of the Japanese.

really? no wonder the pirates suck, one of their best guys in the bullpen is WORSE then all the other major league american pitchers...and some minor leaguers/college players too

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:40 PM

Wins + ERA.... stupidfvck.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Fvck you racist piece of shit. Go **** your dog again, moron.

Dice K had 16 games where he pitched over 5 innings, moron.

I've forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know. Keep rooting on the D-backs to win the 2008 Division, moron.

im racist? i date a chinawoman and have been to japan for a month 2x in my life. its probably my favorite country in the world. but to say dice k is the best or ichiro is even close to the best speaks volumes. there really is nothing more to say. everyone has chimed in, youre wrong.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Wrong. Joe Morgan actually compared Ichiru to Pete Rose last night during the game and said Ichiru was a slap hitter and Rose was nothing like that. Rose was a line drive hitter according to Morgan.

What do you mean wrong?

They were all SINGLES HITTERS.... Rose, Ichiro, Cobb... no power whatsoever. Just got tons of hits.

**pavyracer** · 03-23-09, 03:43 PM

Did the Japanese bring their best players for this game? Or was their team made up of average players?

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Everyone chimed in is a dumbass racist prick like you.

Anyone who knows baseball knows Ichiro is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history and Dice-K is one of the best starters in baseball.

I bet you wouldn't call her "chinawoman" to her face. She'd probably kick your geeky ass.

Because you don't know anything about baseball everyone else is a racist. Unreal.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

You are a racist. I can bump your past racist comments, if you don't recall.

Wanna bet? I bet I'll kick your ass in baseball this season. I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds. I'll put up $5000 to your $2500. Wadda ya say, racist prick?

This is to me??

Past racist comments??

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:56 PM

you are the first person in my life to call me racist. its comical. many things i am, but racist and homophobe are probably not two of them

ive been burned far too many times by people on this site to bet you.
you just said ichiro is the best and dice k is the best, the books will have all your money in about 6 weeks

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 04:02 PM

Dice K goes 18-3 2.90 ERA with major league leading .211 BAA and he's not a top 20 pitcher according to some schmuck who posts his plays in 5th innings and always loses all-in bets.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:03 PM

show me the plays i post in the 5th. ive asked this over and over yet there isnt one example. i post every bet before games. show me an all in bet ive ever made also.
i cant think of any ive ever posted on this site.

youre reaching hard here buddy. keep trying.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:04 PM

wait? ty cobb was a "slapping hitting singles hitter???"

if you don't know about baseball history and different eras, don't talk about them in comparison to today's hitters...

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 04:05 PM

Everyone says you do. I've seen a few myself.

I'm sure you will do so again this coming season. Leopards can't change their spots.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Dice K goes 18-3 2.90 ERA with major league leading .211 BAA and he's not a top 20 pitcher according to some schmuck who posts his plays in 5th innings and always loses all-in bets.

He averages 5.78 innings per start. He ranked 83rd in innings pitched last year.

A guy who pitches 6.5+ innings per start with a 3.5ish ERA is more valuable than Dice K, guys like Buerhle and Ervin Santana.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 04:08 PM

Ty Cobb was a SINGLES HITTER.

Doesn't matter if he slapped the ball, pushed the ball, bunted the ball, line drived the ball, blooped the ball.

There's two major categories for hitters... POWER & SINGLES. Cobb, Rose and Ichiro are not power hitters.

Seriously, you guys are clueless.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:10 PM

interesting

Kobe, how many other singles/slap/push hitters led the league in homers before???

I bet if I go look up Cobb's all time stats, it'll say he has a top 50-100 all time slugging %.... not too shabby for nothing but singles eh?

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 04:11 PM

Dice-K was on the disabled list last season, MORON. Which is why he didn't throw 200 innings like the previous season.

You think a guy who once threw 250 pitches in a 17 inning game can't go more than 5 innings?

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

interesting

Kobe, how many other singles/slap/push hitters led the league in homers before???

I bet if I go look up Cobb's all time stats, it'll say he has a top 50-100 all time slugging %.... not too shabby for nothing but singles eh?

Ty Cobb career OPS+ is 167, Pujols is 170. I guess he isn't a slap hitter.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:12 PM

only two categories? really? lol good stuff...

did "everyone" say this too???

like the "everyone" that says Ryan posts winners late or whatever it was you were arguing about.

DK, everyone told me you are clueless

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:14 PM

Ty cobb #67 all time in slugging %

right behind another "singles" hitter in Jose canseco and a few above another "slap" hitter harmon killebrew

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

interesting

Kobe, how many other singles/slap/push hitters led the league in homers before???

I bet if I go look up Cobb's all time stats, it'll say he has a top 50-100 all time slugging %.... not too shabby for nothing but singles eh?

OMFG..... you obviously do not know how slugging % is calculated.

The most HRs he ever hit was 12 in a season! Yeah, that POWER hitting slugger Cobb.... must've been on steroids.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Dice-K was on the disabled list last season, MORON. Which is why he didn't throw 200 innings like the previous season.

You think a guy who once threw 250 pitches in a 17 inning game can't go more than 5 innings?

1. He still started 29 games, he only started 32 the year before.

2. His numbers say he doesn't pitch very long, I don't care what he did one time.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

DK, everyone told me you are clueless

Now you got first hand proof.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:17 PM

ty cobb 1909 AL home run leader
1910 2 behind the leader
1911 3 behind the leader

ect. Just because a guy doesn't have alot of career HR's doesn't mean he wasn't a "power" hitter, before the deadball era ended..... back in the day most HR's were inside the parkers anyways.... who really knows

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:18 PM

my guess is pete rose had a helluva lot more xhbs than ichiro, but i havent checked it out

id take jason bay over ichiro
id take ian kinsler over ichiro
id take carlos pena over ichiro

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:18 PM

Times Ty Cobb finished in the top 10 in the AL in home runs.

Home Runs
1907 AL-5-2
1908 AL-4-6
1909 AL-9-1
1910 AL-8-2
1911 AL-8-2
1912 AL-7-3
1913 AL-4-8
1916 AL-5-5
1917 AL-6-4
1918 AL-3-7
1921 AL-12-9

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

OMFG..... you obviously do not know how slugging % is calculated.

The most HRs he ever hit was 12 in a season! Yeah, that POWER hitting slugger Cobb.... must've been on steroids.

wait did you just type OMFG??? are you a teenage girl?

well again... different era DK... what was the all time record the year he hit 12? have you ever taken a sock dipped it in mud and wrapped some tape around it, and tried to hit it far? no prob not... me neither

but that is the ball those players played with back then. you can't compare 1909 to 1999 buddy.

how do you calculate slugging % buddy?

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

my guess is pete rose had a helluva lot more xhbs than ichiro, but i havent checked it out

id take jason bay over ichiro
id take ian kinsler over ichiro
id take carlos pena over ichiro

As hitters yes, but as all around players (defense/baserunning included) I would take Ichiro over all of them.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:21 PM

ichiro has over 30 doubles ONCE

he is a good solid player, top 50 id say
but not a top tier hitter like poopoo, berkman, aroid, braun, etc

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by element1286

As hitters yes, but as all around players (defense/baserunning included) I would take Ichiro over all of them.

im only debating hitting, bc he only said ichiro is the best hitter. he didnt bring up fielding. overall, its another story. though id lean kinsler there too

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:23 PM

12 hrs in 1909 is like 50 today is my guess

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

im only debating hitting, bc he only said ichiro is the best hitter. he didnt bring up fielding. overall, its another story. though id lean kinsler there too

Kinsler is close because he plays 2b adequately.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:27 PM

record for homer's before Ruth hit the scene as a full time hitter 16... Socks Seybold...

I could have sworn it was Frank "Home run" Baker my baseball history is slipping

now that we have Buried Dangerkobe...

so is the debate whether Ichiro is the Best hitter in the AL or not???

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 04:39 PM

i think we could have a debate of the al west

ichiro
holliday
hamilton
michael young? maybe?
kinsler
vladdy
chone?? prolly not.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 04:41 PM

well, regarding ichiro....

I think If i was putting a team together based soley on the offensive side of things (obviously ichiro is one of the best to field his position in quite some time)

I would have Ichiro in my top 5 wish list. not because he is a great "all around" hitter.... but because when it is all said and done the name of the game is to score runs...

Ichiro helps a very very bad team do that pretty successfully, and that doesn't even look at moving runners over. Ichiro causes alot of runs to be produced by getting on and moving himself over with SB's and scoring on hits where most other MLB players couldn't..... many of his singles are essentially doubles after his SB's

He may have one of the best contact swings ever... but wouldn't call him the "best" hitter