How come the Japs kick our ass in baseball?

**fiveteamer** · 03-23-09, 11:20 AM

Whenever I see Richie post I always think of the Hulk Hogn entry song.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 11:35 AM

Best pitcher in baseball: Japanese
Best hitter in baseball: Japanese

That's why.

**pavyracer** · 03-23-09, 11:47 AM

Every time Richkas posts I get dumber. Do you really expect the only country in the world that has american football not to beat every other country in the world that has no american football?

**fiveteamer** · 03-23-09, 11:49 AM

I hear Bulgaria has a pretty decent American Football team.

**WileOut** · 03-23-09, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by c-rok

Typical American cocky attitude in this thread. They lost because they didn't have their best players?

1) "your" best players mostly don't even come from America. When you have guys that are deciding between playing for USA or Dominican it's a joke. You play for your country, not where you may live now because of job opportunities. If I all of a sudden got a great job offer in Tokyo I would go, but I wouldn't consider Japan my country.

2) Wright, Braun, Rollins, McCan, Jeter, Peavy, Oswalt, Roberts, Granderson, Longoria...these aren't your best players? The USA roster is stacked full of MLB All Stars. The Japan lineup has how many? TWO. Dice-K has only been an all star once also I believe.

You guys are nuts. Japan beat the USA because as a team they are better. Individually maybe not, but as a team and as a country they play the sport of baseball better.

Instead of being very ignorant, and very cocky about USA, how about just simply saying Japan was the better team and congrats on the win? Would that be too difficult to do?

Granderson? He is not in the top 100 baseball players in America.

Look at the list provided. What if Lincecum and Sabathia had pitched in this game instead of Roy Oswalt, who was a great pitcher 5 years ago but now he is completely washed up. We followed him up with Grabow who I have never even heard of.

Japan would have MAYBE scratched across 2 runs if we threw Lincecum followed by Beckett, Lester, Sabathia, I could go on and on.

We honestly would have mercy ruled the Japanese if our best had been there. If they allow mercy rule in semi finals. If not we score 15 runs with our best possible lineup.

We had Adam Dunn batting clean up. He is not in the top 200 baseball players from America.

We had Mark De La Rosa starting. Are you kidding me? He is not in the top 50 hitters in America.

Read the list provided of our best hitters. We could have put a lineup out there than won every game by mercy rule.

Where was Matt Holliday? Where was Chase Utley?

Where was Beckett? Lester?

We lost to the Japanese because we did not play even close to our best players. A few of our best were in there but nowhere close to the lineup we could have put out there. And definately not the pitching that we could have put out there.

Oswalt followed by Grabow, that is laughable compared to the firepower we can put on the mound.

We have 300 pitchers in America right now much better than Grabow. Probably 100 better than Oswalt.

A fact is a fact and the fact here is that we did not put close to our best lineup out there. If we had the result would have been a blowout of the Japanese.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 12:40 PM

Everytime I see Richkas's picture, I think.... when is American Choppers on? Or how will Fresno State do next season?

**WileOut** · 03-23-09, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Everytime I see Richkas's picture, I think.... when is American Choppers on? Or how will Fresno State do next season?

I don't think at all when I see it.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 02:02 PM

because derek jeter is awful and nobody has the balls to say it

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Best pitcher in baseball: Japanese
Best hitter in baseball: Japanese

That's why.

if you mean dicek, he isnt even top 20
if you mean ichiro, he isnt even top 30

they win bc they didnt have roy oswalt pitching and because they didnt have jeter on their team

it was also one game, maybe if longoria can get derosa home from third with one out, they win

who knows
one game guys
just one

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 02:55 PM

Dice K 18-3 2.90 ERA last season..... 6-0 in WBC. Name me 19 better pitchers.

Ichiro 1805 hits in 8 seasons.... most of anyone.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 02:58 PM

i dont care what his win total was last yr, he isnt the best pitcher
and nobody in their right mind would call a slap singles hitter the best hitter in baseball

dice k is a lot closer to top tier than ichiro

personally i want a pitcher who can go more than 5-6 innings for the best pitcher in baseball award.
ichiro isnt CLOSE to the best hitter in his division, much less league, much less majors

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:01 PM

Yeah, wins and low ERA for pitchers don't matter.

Yeah, Pete Rose and Ty Cobb were horrible hitters.

Wow......

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:03 PM

great way to debate dude. find me anyone in the world who thinks ichiro is the best hitter in baseball, or even in the al west

i doubt ichiro himself would make such a stupid statement

and correct, wins dont show a pitchers quality

see russ ortiz a few yrs back

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:05 PM

Wow.... no wonder everyone thinks you're a moron.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:07 PM

says the guy who thinks usc would beat the raiders

fine dude, youre right
ichiro is the best hitter in baseball
dice k is the best pitcher

thats why they beat the usa in baseball

youre smart
im a moron

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:08 PM

Ichiro would never say he's the best .... because he's HUMBLE.

But which player is regarded as the best hitter of all time.... Ty Cobb. A singles hitter.

As for Dice-K... name me 19 better pitchers.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:09 PM

Didn't you say you'd never post again after losing your big bet?

Can you actually survive without posting for a week?

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

because derek jeter is awful and nobody has the balls to say it

Lol, that was the first thing I thought of. Rollins should have played short.

As for the original question. Japan takes it more seriously (train harder and earlier), and has all their best players.

**ATB515** · 03-23-09, 03:10 PM

you can also throw in the fact that half of his base hits are grounders that he beats out.

Originally posted by ryanXL977

great way to debate dude. find me anyone in the world who thinks ichiro is the best hitter in baseball, or even in the al west

i doubt ichiro himself would make such a stupid statement

and correct, wins dont show a pitchers quality

see russ ortiz a few yrs back

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:10 PM

nobody calls ty cobb the best hitter of all time, by the way.
what are you so angry for? and i dont think anyone in the world would call ichiro humble either. ask his teammates

good luck on your usc vs raiders bet
enjoy your day.
go ahead and find some people who think ichiro is the best hitter, or even CLOSE, in the majors

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by ATB515

you can also throw in the fact that half of his base hits are grounders that he beats out.

yup
dagger doesnt watch much basebal
ichrio pretty much bunts every time. no xbh's, nothing

im sure mr cooltimes could come in here and show dagger ina bout 5 seconds how ichiro isnt much to write home about. but why debate a guy who says usc would beat an nfl team

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:14 PM

mlbcenter.com

http://www.mlbcenter.com/articles/best-all-time-hitters_052208.html

This domain may be for sale!

Top two best hitters:

#2 Ty Cobb – The “Georgia Peach” held the title of most career hits for almost half a century which at one time was thought of as an unbreakable task. Cobb, was not the most liked player in the game, but you can’t ignore his numbers. Cobb entered the Hall of Fame with 4,191 hits and a career average of .367.

#1 (tie) Pete Rose - The All Time Hit King. Just like Cobb, Rose wasn’t well-liked by many fellow ball players, but like Cobb as well, his numbers don’t lie.

Both "slap" hitters.

You're a moron.

**ATB515** · 03-23-09, 03:15 PM

Dice isnt even the best pitcher on his team. I'll take a healthy Beckett over Dice any day of the week. I'll take CC, Lincecum, Halladay, Webb, and Peavy over Dice.

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Dice K 18-3 2.90 ERA last season..... 6-0 in WBC. Name me 19 better pitchers.

Ichiro 1805 hits in 8 seasons.... most of anyone.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:16 PM

So because he can run out grounders better than anyone, he sucks?

That's like saying Bo Jackson sucked cause he ran 4.3 and could bull doze over linebackers.

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:17 PM

Russ Ortiz was at one time a great pitcher. Unless wins/era don't matter.

**WileOut** · 03-23-09, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Dice K 18-3 2.90 ERA last season..... 6-0 in WBC. Name me 19 better pitchers.

Here are a few from last year.

ERA-Minimum 80 innings, Name, Nationality, WBC status

2.07 Rich Harden (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.22 JP Howell (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.54 Cliff Lee (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.54 Justin Duchscherer (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.60 Joba Chamberlain (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.62 Tim Lincecum (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.70 CC Sabathia (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.78 Roy Halladay (American) - Didn't play in the WBC
2.85 Jake Peavy (American) - Did not play against Japan

Then Dice
Right behind him 2.96 Ryan Dempster (American) - Did not play in WBC

Dice is the 3rd best starter on his team. 4th best pitcher counting papelbon (who didn't play in the WBC either).

OUR BEST PLAYERS SIMPLY DID NOT PLAY

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:18 PM

Yeah, cause Beckette's 12-10 4.03ERA was soooo much better than 18-3.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Ichiro would never say he's the best .... because he's HUMBLE.

But which player is regarded as the best hitter of all time.... Ty Cobb. A singles hitter.

As for Dice-K... name me 19 better pitchers.

Beckett, Lincecum, Halladay, Sabathia, Oswalt, Hamels, Webb, Haren, Santana, and Lester are easily better than Dice K. And there are a lot of pitchers right around him in value. The walks are going to catch up with him at some point. He stranded 80.6% of runners, which isn't going to last.

**Chi_archie** · 03-23-09, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Granderson? He is not in the top 100 baseball players in America.

Look at the list provided. What if Lincecum and Sabathia had pitched in this game instead of Roy Oswalt, who was a great pitcher 5 years ago but now he is completely washed up. We followed him up with Grabow who I have never even heard of.

Japan would have MAYBE scratched across 2 runs if we threw Lincecum followed by Beckett, Lester, Sabathia, I could go on and on.

We honestly would have mercy ruled the Japanese if our best had been there. If they allow mercy rule in semi finals. If not we score 15 runs with our best possible lineup.

We had Adam Dunn batting clean up. He is not in the top 200 baseball players from America.

We had Mark De La Rosa starting. Are you kidding me? He is not in the top 50 hitters in America.

Read the list provided of our best hitters. We could have put a lineup out there than won every game by mercy rule.

Where was Matt Holliday? Where was Chase Utley?

Where was Beckett? Lester?

We lost to the Japanese because we did not play even close to our best players. A few of our best were in there but nowhere close to the lineup we could have put out there. And definately not the pitching that we could have put out there.

Oswalt followed by Grabow, that is laughable compared to the firepower we can put on the mound.

We have 300 pitchers in America right now much better than Grabow. Probably 100 better than Oswalt.

A fact is a fact and the fact here is that we did not put close to our best lineup out there. If we had the result would have been a blowout of the Japanese.

really? no wonder the pirates suck, one of their best guys in the bullpen is WORSE then all the other major league american pitchers...and some minor leaguers/college players too

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Yeah, cause Beckette's 12-10 4.03ERA was soooo much better than 18-3.

The fact that you quoted Dice-k's win/loss record shows you have no clue.

**WileOut** · 03-23-09, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

http://www.mlbcenter.com/articles/be...rs_052208.html

Top two best hitters:

#2 Ty Cobb – The “Georgia Peach” held the title of most career hits for almost half a century which at one time was thought of as an unbreakable task. Cobb, was not the most liked player in the game, but you can’t ignore his numbers. Cobb entered the Hall of Fame with 4,191 hits and a career average of .367.

#1 (tie) Pete Rose - The All Time Hit King. Just like Cobb, Rose wasn’t well-liked by many fellow ball players, but like Cobb as well, his numbers don’t lie.

Both "slap" hitters.

Wrong. Joe Morgan actually compared Ichiru to Pete Rose last night during the game and said Ichiru was a slap hitter and Rose was nothing like that. Rose was a line drive hitter according to Morgan.

**element1286** · 03-23-09, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

DIPSHIT
NOBODY SAID DICE K OR ICHIRO SUCKED YOU JAPLOVIN AMERICA HATER

i said he isnt top 30, and he isnt
and dice k is a good 5 inning pitcher, but not close to top 10
not close

watch baseball dude
i dont care who ranks rose and cobb the best hitters, they have the most hits doesnt make them the best hitters

im sure you think eddie murray is a top tier power hitter right? bc he has more homers than gehrig ?

Dice K = Kamir

**WileOut** · 03-23-09, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

really? no wonder the pirates suck, one of their best guys in the bullpen is WORSE then all the other major league american pitchers...and some minor leaguers/college players too

Actually I was wrong about Grabow. He is in the top 150. He is a decent reliever. Oswalt is horrible. You are right I give you this.

**ryanXL977** · 03-23-09, 03:26 PM

dagger says the most ludicrous things
usc over raiders
and now ichiro is the best hitter

even if ichiro were, and he aitn close, that would not be enough to beat the us team.
i would say every hitter on the usa (aside from jeter and derosa) isa better hitter than ichiro

i dont think dice k is any better than the top 3 on the rays, in fact i think he is kazmirs japanese twin

**daggerkobe** · 03-23-09, 03:32 PM

Rich Harden can't even stay healthy. Started just 13 games in '06-07. Plus half his games last season were in the NL.

JP Howell is a RELIEVER.

Cliff Lee had a good year, but he was coming off a 5-8 6.29 ERA season. Plus he was pitching in NON PRESSURE games.
Jake Peavy is a great pressure pitcher. NOT! Got smoked in other WBC games. Not to mention in playoffs and play-in games.

Joba Chamberlain started just 12 games and was a lousy 4-3.

Justin Duchscherer..... 10-8.... I guess I must've failed math cause 18-3 looks a lot better.
Tim Lincecum 18-5... not as good as 18-3.
CC Sabathaia... 17-10... half his starts in the NL. Also not as good as 18-3.
Roy Halladay.... 20-11.... not as good as 18-3.