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  • dlunc3
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-31-09
    • 9129

    #1
    Correlated betting-- If an online book allows it...
    Then can they revoke any balance or winnings after the fact if they realize what you are doing?
  • Snowball
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 11-15-09
    • 30058

    #2
    if you correlate everything perfectly and keep repeating
    then probably get canned.
    but if you partially correlate and modify the strategy should be fine.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      I do not think a ton of books do it with all sports??
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      • dlunc3
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-31-09
        • 9129

        #4
        Originally posted by jjgold
        I do not think a ton of books do it with all sports??
        I have a book that will allow it.. I am worried what will happen if I continue to win... Very tough to find books that allow It anymore
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        • Russian Rocket
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 09-02-12
          • 43910

          #5
          At managerial discretion, correlated plays will be voided or split into separate straight wagers with the risk amount divided equally. Plays on correlated events include: multiple selections on the same team/player in the same event, multiple selections against the same team/player in the same event, or any other combination where one event directly affects further selections in the play, including Live In-Play wagers. Players will never be given the benefit if there is any doubt regarding intentions of correlated plays and winnings will be voided. No warnings will be given.
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          • dlunc3
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-31-09
            • 9129

            #6
            Originally posted by Russian Rocket
            At managerial discretion, correlated plays will be voided or split into separate straight wagers with the risk amount divided equally. Plays on correlated events include: multiple selections on the same team/player in the same event, multiple selections against the same team/player in the same event, or any other combination where one event directly affects further selections in the play, including Live In-Play wagers. Players will never be given the benefit if there is any doubt regarding intentions of correlated plays and winnings will be voided. No warnings will be given.
            So based on that, if you had a book that would accept them, you would not exploit it?
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            • Russian Rocket
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 09-02-12
              • 43910

              #7
              Originally posted by dlunc3
              So based on that, if you had a book that would accept them, you would not exploit it?
              I would
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              • dlunc3
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-31-09
                • 9129

                #8
                Originally posted by Russian Rocket
                I would
                Hit my first 3 today and have more later that fit my criteria... Very hesitant to put them in
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                • Russian Rocket
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 09-02-12
                  • 43910

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dlunc3
                  Hit my first 3 today and have more later that fit my criteria... Very hesitant to put them in
                  what's the worst thing that can happen? your bets will be canceled, but I doubt that they will revoke your balance
                  call them up and ask this question
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                  • rm18
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 09-20-05
                    • 22291

                    #10
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                    • dlunc3
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-31-09
                      • 9129

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Russian Rocket
                      what's the worst thing that can happen? your bets will be canceled, but I doubt that they will revoke your balance
                      call them up and ask this question
                      Probably right... Im not sure i want to bring it to their attention.. Not sure how I would even phrase the question so that it was not suspicious
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                      • Russian Rocket
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 09-02-12
                        • 43910

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dlunc3
                        Probably right... Im not sure i want to bring it to their attention.. Not sure how I would even phrase the question so that it was not suspicious
                        don't give them your acct#...say you're a new player and before you sign up, you just want to find out what their story is on correlated betting
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                        • mink
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 08-07-18
                          • 449

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Russian Rocket
                          At managerial discretion, correlated plays will be voided or split into separate straight wagers with the risk amount divided equally. Plays on correlated events include: multiple selections on the same team/player in the same event, multiple selections against the same team/player in the same event, or any other combination where one event directly affects further selections in the play, including Live In-Play wagers. Players will never be given the benefit if there is any doubt regarding intentions of correlated plays and winnings will be voided. No warnings will be given.
                          So, what exactly is a correlated bet? Is it basically a parlay that increases odds but doesn't necessarily increase risk?
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                          • allabout the $$$
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-17-10
                            • 9843

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mink
                            So, what exactly is a correlated bet? Is it basically a parlay that increases odds but doesn't necessarily increase risk?
                            that 2 outcomes are very likely if i hits both will

                            ex alabama - 38 over 41

                            if alabama covers the game very likely will go over same as taking the dog and under
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                            • mink
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 08-07-18
                              • 449

                              #15
                              Makes sense. So, judging by the rule posted above, do you interpret it to mean that if you are "caught" making a correlated play, your entire account will be confiscated? Does "Winnings will be voided" mean your entire account is terminated and all your money is confiscated? Just a curiosity.
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                              • DR225
                                SBR MVP
                                • 02-24-11
                                • 2010

                                #16
                                Originally posted by allabout the $$$
                                that 2 outcomes are very likely if i hits both will

                                ex alabama - 38 over 41

                                if alabama covers the game very likely will go over same as taking the dog and under
                                There's a couple of books that allow you to do that. You can parlay mlb/nba/nfl/nhl ML with their respective totals at bookmaker. Not their individual team totals though, the overall total. You can't parlay with the spreads/totals though but ML and total is valuable enough.
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                                • allabout the $$$
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 04-17-10
                                  • 9843

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DR225
                                  There's a couple of books that allow you to do that. You can parlay mlb/nba/nfl/nhl ML with their respective totals at bookmaker. Not their individual team totals though, the overall total. You can't parlay with the spreads/totals though but ML and total is valuable enough.
                                  what books allow that? spread and total like in the example above? any book that allows that is going out of business quickly
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                                  • BuckyOne
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-02-15
                                    • 2728

                                    #18
                                    There was a major rhubarb 6-8 years ago with a World gaming book. They went back at least six months and voided a lot of bets.
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                                    • inter1097
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 10-04-09
                                      • 459

                                      #19
                                      Depends on the book obviously. Some will pay you, some won't. I've seen one retroactively enforce a "no correlated parlays" rule and void them all One took a long ass time to catch on but they eventually did. (They paid me too!) Another was using the same software but eventually closed up shop (I don't think it was related to what I was doing, they just closed up shop, I came out ahead even though they owed me more)
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                                      • mink
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 08-07-18
                                        • 449

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by inter1097
                                        Depends on the book obviously. Some will pay you, some won't. I've seen one retroactively enforce a "no correlated parlays" rule and void them all One took a long ass time to catch on but they eventually did. (They paid me too!) Another was using the same software but eventually closed up shop (I don't think it was related to what I was doing, they just closed up shop, I came out ahead even though they owed me more)
                                        Thanks for the response, however, do you believe that based on how that rule that was posted reads, that if you are "caught" placing a correlated bet, all your money will be confiscated instead of a reversal of the correlated bets? Is it customary for a book to terminate your account and take all your money because you placed a correlated bet?
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                                        • inter1097
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 10-04-09
                                          • 459

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by mink
                                          Thanks for the response, however, do you believe that based on how that rule that was posted reads, that if you are "caught" placing a correlated bet, all your money will be confiscated instead of a reversal of the correlated bets? Is it customary for a book to terminate your account and take all your money because you placed a correlated bet?
                                          I've never had an account terminated/money won from non-correlated bets confiscated but That doesn't mean it can't happen. Based on that rule, they would just nullify all my correlated bets.
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                                          • BuckyOne
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-02-15
                                            • 2728

                                            #22
                                            Part of the rhubarb was they only voided the correlated bets that won. Very flimsy definition of what is correlated and what is not. It is the beauty of a non regulated environment.
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                                            • mink
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 08-07-18
                                              • 449

                                              #23
                                              Isn't acceptance of a correlated bet the book's fault, though? Why would they be so pissed about their software glitching? Isn't an easy remedy to cancel the bet?
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                                              • BuckyOne
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 01-02-15
                                                • 2728

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by mink
                                                Isn't acceptance of a correlated bet the book's fault, though? Why would they be so pissed about their software glitching? Isn't an easy remedy to cancel the bet?
                                                We all agree that it is. Once they take the bet and the game starts the bet should be good. It wasn't a glitch but more or less a loophole. Players must have been taking a lot of payouts and they were bleeding money. They were not pissed so much as they had to do it to save the sportsbook because there were so many payout requests. It is amazing that it took them so long to figure it out. Why they were getting the crap beat out of them. I think they were so stupid they did not even know what a correlated parlay was.
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