My thoughts on the bill(not that anyone asked for them)

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  • Pistol Pete
    Restricted User
    • 08-30-05
    • 330

    #1
    My thoughts on the bill(not that anyone asked for them)
    I know this is going to sound like heresy coming from a fellow gambler, but is the thought of wanting to stop online gambling really such a bad thing? There are a lot of good and bad things this bill presents.

    The bad first, this bill makes a very bad statement about of government and its ability to get things passed no matter what, all it takes is someone’s personal agenda. These types of things have been going on forever and as sheep’s we close our eyes until it is something were passionate about.

    Secondly its starts a very dangerous cycle, when the Internet begins to be controlled. To block certain websites and even force search engines to block any searches makes me feel like I am in China not the United States.

    Gentlemen please understand that I know this bill was not passed to protect the people. If that was the case gambling, of all forms would be eliminated everywhere, but instead its growing everywhere. This all has to do with taxes and money leaving our economy.

    Now lets be honest with ourselves it is still gambling. This vice we have is one of the most dangerous addictions out there. I know a lot of you may have it under control and enjoy it responsibly, but for every one that does there is 1000 that don’t.

    You see at least with sports betting once the games go off the board your done, even if you need the fix still got to wait to tomorrow. Online poker is always there so long as you have money.

    I’m not gonna b/s and talk about how the poor kids and blah blah blah, the truth is a lot of people are pissing away a lot of money. You guys should know best that once we lose we love to chase and we all know how that turns out.

    I know we can say the government has no business sticking their nose in it but really they do. Billions of dollars are being lost each yeah by US citizens. That is billions of dollars that are not being spent in the US; you can’t tell me that has no impact on the economy.

    With no rules or laws in this world we would be left to control ourselves. We all know that would never work b/c what would stop us from stealing if no consequence? The same thing has happened with online gaming. Left to our own we lost control, went overboard maxing out credit cards, bouncing echecks, disputing charges with our banks. We told them by our actions we cannot control ourselves when it comes to gambling, and to much dismay they responded.

    Lets not even think about all the poor suckers that have won money online and never even recieved it. We like to talk about how the internet is great and good but forget that so many of us have been stiffed or screwed around with my the book, simply b/c they can.

    I guess what im trying to say is this bill will not stop all gambling. The smart players and the addicted ones will still find ways to play. What this bill will do is prevent the average Joe from losing control. When things get to big to fast the usually explode and that is exactly what is going on people.
  • scottyy11
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 03-08-06
    • 693

    #2
    I can't say how strongly I disagree with you. Though I respect what you have written. Let me point out alcohol destroys many lives because some can't handle it. By your reasoning it would be ok to ban alcohol. There are endless examples that I could bring up.

    It is upto a individual not to do harm to himself not the government. We must all decide daily in are own actions what we will chose to do and what we will sacrifice. Its known as personall freedom and this is slowly be taken away and your acceptance of this will only lead to more of it being taken away.
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    • caracalla
      Restricted User
      • 11-12-05
      • 2549

      #3
      Same $$$$$$$ wasted for smoke, alcohol, cells, pornography and so on: but US Gov (and other European Gov) want block only Gambling site.

      No social security problems: only $$$$ lost for GOV
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      • isetcap
        SBR MVP
        • 12-16-05
        • 4006

        #4
        Originally posted by Pistol Pete
        Secondly its starts a very dangerous cycle, when the Internet begins to be controlled. To block certain websites and even force search engines to block any searches makes me feel like I am in China not the United States.
        Let me once again point out that this government is in NO WAY attempting to block or disallow any internet activities. Language of that kind is speculation only and does not exist in this recent legislation in any aspect. The only function being legislated against with this rider is the transfer of funds by financial institutions within US jurisdiction from a resident of the US to an entity that conducts gambling transactions.
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        • Pistol Pete
          Restricted User
          • 08-30-05
          • 330

          #5
          My point though scotty is the people addicted to alcohol, drugs, and even state run lotto, are not using credit cards or checks and then after running to the bank to say it wasnt me or it was b/c of gambling.

          What I am saying is the people who could not control themselves pretty much ruined it for everyone. Why do the think the bill is mostly concerned about banning banks? You think if everyone was using moneygram or ** to deposit they would really care?

          What im saying is what do you expect from the government when they see all these complaints filed back to credit cards and ach's. Just ignore it while these websites thorugh it in their face everyday, either on tv, in print, or at a sporting event.

          I promise you that if they saw ads all the time from crack dealers they might decied to do something.
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          • Pistol Pete
            Restricted User
            • 08-30-05
            • 330

            #6
            Originally posted by isetcap
            Let me once again point out that this government is in NO WAY attempting to block or disallow any internet activities. Language of that kind is speculation only and does not exist in this recent legislation in any aspect. The only function being legislated against with this rider is the transfer of funds by financial institutions within US jurisdiction from a resident of the US to an entity that conducts gambling transactions.
            If this is true then is SBR taking away banner links?
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            • moses millsap
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-25-05
              • 8289

              #7
              Originally posted by Pistol Pete
              If this is true then is SBR taking away banner links?
              I believe they are. I guess there are two differing interpretations to the bill. From how I read it, it seems just to focus on funding methods to the offshore books. I don't really need to see the links, I got all my books as tabs already in my browser.
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              • scottyy11
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 03-08-06
                • 693

                #8
                Originally posted by Pistol Pete
                My point though scotty is the people addicted to alcohol, drugs, and even state run lotto, are not using credit cards or checks and then after running to the bank to say it wasnt me or it was b/c of gambling.

                What I am saying is the people who could not control themselves pretty much ruined it for everyone. Why do the think the bill is mostly concerned about banning banks? You think if everyone was using moneygram or ** to deposit they would really care?

                What im saying is what do you expect from the government when they see all these complaints filed back to credit cards and ach's. Just ignore it while these websites thorugh it in their face everyday, either on tv, in print, or at a sporting event.

                I promise you that if they saw ads all the time from crack dealers they might decied to do something.

                Your right people who are addicted to drugs and alcohol don't charge back credit cards. They rob beat and murder people for $10. People who think this is good better wake up or your not going to be living your own life but will have the government living your life for you.
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                • goldengoat
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-25-05
                  • 3239

                  #9
                  don't agree with original poster

                  like someone else said there are other dangers out their like alcohol and smoking which when used carelessly can either ruin or have a negative influence on your life

                  i think the only thing you can try to do is increase the chances that whoever is using the account is an adult

                  more security required to use the account

                  more verification to setup an account

                  maybe even more verification to make a play

                  definitely more verification for deposits

                  adults should be able to make decisions for themselves

                  you can ruin your life gambling but you can also ruin it doing a lot of other things to if done carelessly

                  doesn't mean all those things should be taken away from you

                  people wanna live life

                  we are not here forever
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                  • BigD
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-23-05
                    • 1096

                    #10
                    I think online gambling helps people from getting out of control most people if they cannot bet online will go find a local book that will allow them to play on credit and let that rack up debt they cannot pay for. I know you can lose lots of money on the internet but I would rather have credit card debt then owe a local book.
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                    • pags11
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 08-18-05
                      • 12264

                      #11
                      great thread guys...
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                      • imgv94
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-16-05
                        • 17192

                        #12
                        They should just take away Credit Card and ACH Deposits and then leave it as is..
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                        • jjgold
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-20-05
                          • 388179

                          #13
                          The average bettor would never use a bookie but they have used the internet and it has destroyed them. A minority of people in all your local areas use bookies whether it was pre net or post net betting.

                          Petey I am with you 100% here.
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                          • pags11
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-18-05
                            • 12264

                            #14
                            actually a non-emotional post...nice job jj...
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