Why can't we all unite and set up a legal betting exchange in the U.S.?

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  • Albert Pujols
    SBR MVP
    • 06-01-10
    • 1670

    #1
    Why can't we all unite and set up a legal betting exchange in the U.S.?
    The University of Iowa has a legal betting system where you can bet on elections. Why couldn't someone set up an exchange to bet on sports? Everyone pays an annual membership fee for site maintenance, and there is no vig. You can only bet against people that are willing to take the other side of your bet. Why wouldn't this work? It's legal to bet against other people, the only thing that makes booking illegal is the vig. Thoughts?
  • James D
    SBR MVP
    • 01-03-13
    • 2040

    #2
    If legal I think it's an astounding idea. Only issue is who are executives that hold the funds in escrow. Obviously this could not be a credit type situation.
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    • uvarunthetable
      SBR Sharp
      • 02-15-12
      • 416

      #3
      I think your problem is that even if it is legal now state legislators/prolly the feds will move in to make it illegal before you can make any real money off of it
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      • James D
        SBR MVP
        • 01-03-13
        • 2040

        #4
        Originally posted by uvarunthetable
        I think your problem is that even if it is legal now state legislators/prolly the feds will move in to make it illegal before you can make any real money off of it
        dont think making money is alberts mindset. It's a vig free marketplace
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        • winterice
          SBR Rookie
          • 12-13-13
          • 38

          #5
          I agree 100%. Some of the best moments of my freaking life have been playing on matchbook and betmaker.ag ! Don't let the naysayers fool you ! The stuff was beyond wonderful for those who never played at those places between 2009 and 2013 ! Unreal fun and you had a chance to be creative !!!! Creativity is the key !! I want to start an exchange badly ! Even thought about going to Costa Rica to do it.
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          • CarpeDime
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-01-09
            • 7873

            #6
            because the same people who booted pinny, matchy etc from the US would shut something like that down in 2 seconds

            Congressman Bob Goodlatte would make sure of it, Jon Kyl types, Bill Frist types, etc etc
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            • winterice
              SBR Rookie
              • 12-13-13
              • 38

              #7
              Don't believe that for a second ! Betmaker.ag was up until February 2013. That was well after thouse knuckleheads spewed there nonsense. There is without a doubt a market for people who want an exchange and if did right could be a gold mine.
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              • I/O
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 05-26-11
                • 7922

                #8
                Originally posted by Albert Pujols
                The University of Iowa has a legal betting system where you can bet on elections. Why couldn't someone set up an exchange to bet on sports? Everyone pays an annual membership fee for site maintenance, and there is no vig. You can only bet against people that are willing to take the other side of your bet. Why wouldn't this work? It's legal to bet against other people, the only thing that makes booking illegal is the vig. Thoughts?
                This is a great idea. Just get pole smokers, immigrants here illegally, and single moms to want it to happen and it'll be legal in no time!
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                • ItsMeMrMattE
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-30-10
                  • 5294

                  #9
                  the technology is here for it. in due time we will see it. this video may seem like its about bitcoin, but its not, so dont turn it off right away.

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                  • Hareeba!
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 07-01-06
                    • 32912

                    #10
                    Quite simply there is no way that it would be legal.
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                    • CarpeDime
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-01-09
                      • 7873

                      #11
                      Originally posted by winterice
                      Don't believe that for a second ! Betmaker.ag was up until February 2013. That was well after thouse knuckleheads spewed there nonsense. There is without a doubt a market for people who want an exchange and if did right could be a gold mine.
                      a gold mine? Matchbook exists right now. Why aren't they serving US customers? They don't like gold?
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                      • Hareeba!
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 07-01-06
                        • 32912

                        #12
                        Originally posted by CarpeDime
                        a gold mine? Matchbook exists right now. Why aren't they serving US customers? They don't like gold?
                        Same reason that Pinnacle doesn't.
                        The owners/operators would be thrown behind bars should they ever set foot in the "Land Of The Free"
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                        • Albert Pujols
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-01-10
                          • 1670

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CarpeDime
                          a gold mine? Matchbook exists right now. Why aren't they serving US customers? They don't like gold?
                          They make a profit. I'm simply talking about a facilitator to link up people that have opposite opinions and don't take a cut or charge vig. It's already 100% legal to bet on elections. That's not even legal in Vegas sportsbooks. What would be illegal about it? Nobody is making any vig or commission.
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                          • Hareeba!
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 07-01-06
                            • 32912

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Albert Pujols
                            They make a profit. I'm simply talking about a facilitator to link up people that have opposite opinions and don't take a cut or charge vig. It's already 100% legal to bet on elections. That's not even legal in Vegas sportsbooks. What would be illegal about it? Nobody is making any vig or commission.
                            Far be it for me to claim to be an expert on US law but as I understand it the issue is "conducting a book", or similar terminology. I don't think the profit element is any part of the equation?
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388208

                              #15
                              We had exchanges available to USA players for years and they failed miserably

                              Liquidity issues

                              ExChange betting is more of European United Kingdom/Asia form of betting

                              The only exchange betting that's been successful in the United States are financial instruments
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                              • Darkside Magick
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 05-28-10
                                • 12638

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                We had exchanges available to USA players for years and they failed miserably

                                Liquidity issues

                                ExChange betting is more of European United Kingdom/Asia form of betting

                                The only exchange betting that's been successful in the United States are financial instruments
                                This.

                                Gamblers love giving vig in here in the Ole's USA!
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                                • jjgold
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-20-05
                                  • 388208

                                  #17
                                  USA are simple bettors they want to just back either side pointspread basically -110

                                  Over under -110

                                  Parlay
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                                  • Albert Pujols
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-01-10
                                    • 1670

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                    USA are simple bettors they want to just back either side pointspread basically -110

                                    Over under -110

                                    Parlay
                                    F that shit, I play to win. Someone get on this and make it happen, or I just might.
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                                    • Darkside Magick
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 05-28-10
                                      • 12638

                                      #19
                                      Where was all this when betmaker was out....I couldn't match a bet even if the bet was $20. NOW....y'all want to do exchanges now..lmaoooooo
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                                      • Albert Pujols
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-01-10
                                        • 1670

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Darkside Magick
                                        Where was all this when betmaker was out....I couldn't match a bet even if the bet was $20. NOW....y'all want to do exchanges now..lmaoooooo
                                        It's just habit for most. I loved Matchbook, and Mansion was even better for the short time it was available in 2006. A lot of degenerates were just intimated by the software and probably not smart enough to know that -102 is better than -110.
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                                        • Darkside Magick
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 05-28-10
                                          • 12638

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Albert Pujols
                                          It's just habit for most. I loved Matchbook, and Mansion was even better for the short time it was available in 2006. A lot of degenerates were just intimated by the software and probably not smart enough to know that -102 is better than -110.
                                          I agree..technology scare loser gamblers...
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                                          • shaunovery
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-15-07
                                            • 18143

                                            #22
                                            It just wouldn't work not enough Americans know enough about exchanges
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                                            • Big Bear
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 11-01-11
                                              • 43253

                                              #23
                                              B/c America does not want to fix the economy.

                                              Liberals want to make sure this country stays in the sewer.
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                                              • winterice
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 12-13-13
                                                • 38

                                                #24
                                                You couldn't match a bet cuz people like me beat you to the punch ! The quicker you are the more money you make. Made a ton of money on betmaker.ag and have the screen shots to prove it.
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                                                • winterice
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 12-13-13
                                                  • 38

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                  We had exchanges available to USA players for years and they failed miserably

                                                  Liquidity issues

                                                  ExChange betting is more of European United Kingdom/Asia form of betting

                                                  The only exchange betting that's been successful in the United States are financial instruments
                                                  They did not fail miserably ! Basically bookmaker never advertised betmaker.ag and they only had like 3 people running the show for the exchange (Brian, some lady who answered the phones, and some other guy who was behind the scenes . Anotherwards bookmaker didn't really try to their fullest potential to make betmaker what it could have been. Also matchbook did not fail in the USA. When matchbook left the US market initially they struggled because they had a good number of US residents as their customers !!!! So saying exchanges failed miserably is a lot of nonsense !!!!!!!!!!
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                                                  • relaaxx
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 06-15-06
                                                    • 3282

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                    Same reason that Pinnacle doesn't.
                                                    The owners/operators would be thrown behind bars should they ever set foot in the "Land Of The Free"
                                                    love the point---land of the free. always has been laughable and unbearable to hear. because i live here.
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                                                    • shaunovery
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-15-07
                                                      • 18143

                                                      #27
                                                      Exchanges are the way to go look at bet fair At least 20 million pounds matched on the match odds in every World Cup game
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388208

                                                        #28
                                                        20 million pounds is just on 3 way a lines

                                                        Add up all markets it's double or triple that

                                                        Never ever will be competition for betfair

                                                        They have market cornered
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                                                        • DrStale
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 12-07-08
                                                          • 9692

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Big Bear
                                                          B/c America does not want to fix the economy.

                                                          Liberals want to make sure this country stays in the sewer.
                                                          Yeah it's only the liberals. Has nothing to do with the Bible-thumping hypocrites on the right claiming that gambling is destroying family values.
                                                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                          If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                                          • Dr.Gonzo
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-05-09
                                                            • 4660

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                                            20 million pounds is just on 3 way a lines

                                                            Add up all markets it's double or triple that

                                                            Never ever will be competition for betfair

                                                            They have market cornered
                                                            Bullshit, they vig you harder than pinnacle.

                                                            People will move their action to a viable alternative with lower commission.
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388208

                                                              #31
                                                              Never

                                                              Betfair bigger than ever

                                                              Their tennis action biggest in world
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                                                              • BigdaddyQH
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 07-13-09
                                                                • 19531

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Albert Pujols
                                                                F that shit, I play to win. Someone get on this and make it happen, or I just might.
                                                                There is no way in hell that you, or anyone else, will make this happen. You are just another desperate bettor that is too lazy to go to Vegas. Push too hard and someone will make sure that you do not push again. You are in way over your head, like many of the Macho boys in here.
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                                                                • Hareeba!
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-01-06
                                                                  • 32912

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by shaunovery
                                                                  It just wouldn't work not enough Americans know enough about exchanges
                                                                  And that was once true of the rest of the world too.

                                                                  America has lots of faults but their people are no less capable of coming to grips with exchanges than the Brits.
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                                                                  • killawookie
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-25-09
                                                                    • 3457

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                                                    There is no way in hell that you, or anyone else, will make this happen. You are just another desperate bettor that is too lazy to go to Vegas. Push too hard and someone will make sure that you do not push again. You are in way over your head, like many of the Macho boys in here.
                                                                    Said most politicians on legalizing pot many years ago... In order for there to be change someone has to do something
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                                                                    • No coincidences
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-18-10
                                                                      • 76300

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by CarpeDime
                                                                      because the same people who booted pinny, matchy etc from the US would shut something like that down in 2 seconds

                                                                      Congressman Bob Goodlatte would make sure of it, Jon Kyl types, Bill Frist types, etc etc
                                                                      It's amazing how lazy, disinterested, inefficient and incompetent our government is on everything -- except when it comes to gambling.
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