Is it impossible to beat Pinnacle?

[Rich Boy]

Does anyone think it is actually possible to beat a book like Pinnacle long term? I was just thinking about it and I think it would be virtually impossible. If you were consistently that good they would probably pay you to work for them lol.

Im sure that you could beat them if you specialized in minor markets, but im talking about major markets with >5k limits

[uvarunthetable]

The only one I can think of is Haralbob in the NBA, but yeah it would be extremely difficult

[LT Profits]

The only one I can think of is Haralbob in the NBA, but yeah it would be extremely difficult

But is he STILL winning? Remember he made his fortune by exploiting some inefficiencies that no longer exist, especially first halves.

[chilidog]

This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but the other day I was looking back through my bet history at the numerous books I bet at (mainly European books, 5Dimes and Pinnacle), and I noticed something interesting. I know that correlation does not equal causation, but the bets that I would place at Pinnacle would lose more than they would win. I use oddsportal.com to tell me which book has the best odds on a bet, and I place my bet at the book.

So ever since I noticed that, I get that sinking feeling in my stomach when I check oddsportal and see that Pinnacle has the best odds on a game that I want to bet. I still make the bet, as I don't have any definitive data on this, but it is interesting nonetheless.

[LT Profits]

This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but the other day I was looking back through my bet history at the numerous books I bet at (mainly European books, 5Dimes and Pinnacle), and I noticed something interesting. I know that correlation does not equal causation, but the bets that I would place at Pinnacle would lose more than they would win. I use oddsportal.com to tell me which book has the best odds on a bet, and I place my bet at the book.

So ever since I noticed that, I get that sinking feeling in my stomach when I check oddsportal and see that Pinnacle has the best odds on a game that I want to bet. I still make the bet, as I don't have any definitive data on this, but it is interesting nonetheless.

The dreaded Pinny lean still exists

[chilidog]

The dreaded Pinny lean still exists

Yes, it does. From my records, if I just ignored the games where Pinny had the best line (at the given time that I run my data), I definitely would've saved myself some money. And taking it a step further, if I would've just bet the other side it would've given me a nice profit. I'm setting up some additional tracking in my spreadsheet so that I can keep tabs on this. As of now, I'm not going to do anything with the data, just going to continue my bets as normal.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Is Haralbob still an NBA machine?

Does Bob still lay waste to NBA lines?

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Haralob "retired" after the books caught up to his algorithm; Pinny's MLB, MLS and EPL lines are eminently beatable.

[lakerboy]

Haralob "retired" after the books caught up to his algorithm; Pinny's MLB, MLS and EPL lines are eminently beatable.

Not epl. No chance

[SportsMushroom]

if you cant beat -103 lines, how are you going to beat -110 lines?

[Optional]

Yes, it does. From my records, if I just ignored the games where Pinny had the best line (at the given time that I run my data), I definitely would've saved myself some money. And taking it a step further, if I would've just bet the other side it would've given me a nice profit. I'm setting up some additional tracking in my spreadsheet so that I can keep tabs on this. As of now, I'm not going to do anything with the data, just going to continue my bets as normal.

I recall Sawyer saying that when arbing against Pinny he loses the Pinny side at such a rate that he would have made better money just taking the opposite sides as singles.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Not epl. No chance

You're missing out.

[lakerboy]

You're missing out.

Not really. EPL isn't beatable just like NFL and NBA.

Post all your EPL plays for 3 months.

[evo34]

Love people saying something is "unbeatable" just bc they don't know anyone who can beat it...

[lakerboy]

Love people who say they beat something and then never post one play let alone a good sample size.

EPL is not beatable. Sure you can win short term or over a small sample but not long term and not over any reasonable sample size.

[evo34]

Never said I beat anything. But sample size? I think I got that... How about yourself?

https://www.pickmonitor.com/user/evo34

[lakerboy]

I can't beat the epl. I did one year though.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/soccer-betting/212877-lakers-english-french-league-picks-thread-p15.html

[capping40pct]

need to have exclusive inside info hours before its actually announced.. The only way to beat them is to be one step ahead infromation wise, no?

[TheMoneyShot]

I think anything in life is beatable.

It's all about money management... and don't get caught up in the heat of the moment.

But yeah... easily said than done.

[ouzoun]

You could use pinnacle instead of beat it. Both ways make money.

[BuckyOne]

I recall Sawyer saying that when arbing against Pinny he loses the Pinny side at such a rate that he would have made better money just taking the opposite sides as singles.

That is a good way of defining value! But, back to beating Pinny. The lean gets there someway - somehow! It is necessary to be an originator to beat Pinny.

[jjgold]

Betting Pinny lean =POORHOUSE last 3 years

It is useless now

[dealer wins]

if you cant beat -103 lines, how are you going to beat -110 lines?

When the -110 odds are out of line?

[ApricotSinner32]

You can beat pinnacle if you are smart. Most people are not smart.

[biggie12]

You are all fools !!

[JoeyBagels]

The lines don't move by magic so it invalidates your point to begin with.

[jjgold]

Another issue is almost every book moves off pinnacle within 10-40 seconds even on air

Years ago books were slow off the steam..Vegas 30 seconds or less off Pinnacle most cases

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Love people who say they beat something and then never post one play let alone a good sample size.

EPL is not beatable. Sure you can win short term or over a small sample but not long term and not over any reasonable sample size.

Real gamblers don't need to spend hours a day on a forum and post 20 times every day to prove their ability. Did the aforementioned Haralobos ever post here? I'll probably take you up on your offer to post EPL plays even though three months of picks proves absolutely nothing; post a reminder around early December.

[lakerboy]

Real gamblers don't need to spend hours a day on a forum and post 20 times every day to prove their ability. Did the aforementioned Haralobos ever post here? I'll probably take you up on your offer to post EPL plays even though three months of picks proves absolutely nothing; post a reminder around early December.

Nothing to do with the forum. You said I'm missing out. I said pinny can't be beat on epl. Anyone with a clue does not consistently bet major leagues like the epl. Here and there sure.

Just make a thread and post all the games and tell us the results (predictions). I'm pretty sure it will be ugly.

[jjgold]

You can bet $50-$100,000 on Premier league games of course it cannot be beat basically just like the NFL

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Nothing to do with the forum. You said I'm missing out. I said pinny can't be beat on epl. Anyone with a clue does not consistently bet major leagues like the epl. Here and there sure.

Just make a thread and post all the games and tell us the results (predictions). I'm pretty sure it will be ugly.

I've done fairly well the last few years in EPL; as I said, remind me in early December and I'll make a thread.

[Ruifgalmeida]

Major leagues are not beatable, small leagues and obscure sports are beatable, if you are a local expert on 2 division Iceland soccer problaly can get and edge on the bookie.

[jjgold]

Major leagues are not beatable, small leagues and obscure sports are beatable, if you are a local expert on 2 division Iceland soccer problaly can get and edge on the bookie.

[lakerboy]

Major leagues are not beatable, small leagues and obscure sports are beatable, if you are a local expert on 2 division Iceland soccer problaly can get and edge on the bookie.

Thread over

[jjgold]

Betonline has basically same lines as Pinny