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  • hajune
    SBR High Roller
    • 09-04-07
    • 219

    #1
    Systems and services /can they hit 60%+
    I just read an article by one of the cappers from SBR. I believe Justin is his name. He is obviously an intelligent guy and talked about systems, services and touts etc.
    First of all I will compliment him on talking about the Morrison System. That is a progressive system that wants you to buy up to 3 points a game. Progressive systems are doomed for failure right from the start!!! Everytime you buy a 1/2 point or more you not only buy the rated value but you pay an additional 10% commission. Therefore 10% becomes 11% (10% 0f 10 %=1 +10 =11). This adds up to a whooping 15% + commission when buying 3 points. You are now asked to overcome 15%+. When you lose your 3rd game you are in the hole in a big way. You will be risking a lot to make a little and will feel foolish doing so. In the long run expect to have some sessions with Dr. Phil . Einstein, among others, proved no system can increase the odds of winning , systems only make it worse or keep it the same at best. Of course money management systems are a different subject matter. If they promote a logical and conservative pathway they will enhanse the ability to win. A good method wil keep you from " tapping out" during a bad run.
    Point # 2.
    He talked about cappers and betting systems unrelated to progressive betting . If you are looking for a good service he is correct that cappers with a long term proven record are normally the best. He is also correct in stating that you should stay away from cappers who have no track record , claim unsubstanciated records, and ask for money in unconventional forms. Stay away from these guys. Anybody worth while should have a track record or should explain how they arrive at a play. It should make sense and they should not make you commit a lot.
    Point# 3
    This I take exception to. He suggested that ALL services and ALL cappers are incapable of hitting 60% in the long run. He said that 55% was about the best you could expect. Of course proving a negative is impossible to do. What he should say is he knows nobody who hits 60%. I do know handicappers who average 60%. When Thomas Edison was attempting to find the filament for the light bulb he failed 10,000 times. Does that mean he would not find the answer in the next attempt? If you are familiar to 10,000 cappers who never reach the 60% plateau that does not mean the next one will experince the same results.
    The big problem with most handicappers is thet USE THE SAME INFORMATION AS THE LINE MAKERS. You can not expect to have a 60% + winning record when doing this. You must find data that is uncommonly known and apply it in a systematic and mechanical format. The Wright Brothers threw away conventional wisdom when attempting to fly an air plane. In so doing so they created 3 separete entities of aerodynamics that caused them to successfully fly a plane.
    I wrote an article about using impact values. Not one of you will use it. 99% of you gamble because you have a hidden desire to lose. You are undisciplined, scatter brained in your thinking processes, and lazy. I showed you all a spot play that kickes ass all year and only 2 of you bothered to pursue it. It hit 90%!!!!!!!!
    Here is my challenge to anybody willing to take it. You put up $10,000 (none of yoy wil do it)and I will go over the the method with you that YOU will be able to do. If it does not hit 60%, oops cross that out and make it 62 1/2% ( 5 of 8 games) you get your money back. We will put it in a holding trust so there will be no risk. If it does hit 62!/2% oops cross that out and make that 65% you will have learned a system that will make you rich. I will tell you straight up I hit 65% + of my plays. To my surprise using this mechanical form of handicapping it get a lot of plays. I spent 5000+ hours perfecting it. I have a 40,000 game data base in football and basketball proving that it works. I believe I could get a few well known handicappers who will confirm my ability to handicap. Two of them call me everyday to pick my brain. Neither one has ever seen anything like it and having explained the logic they understand why it works.
    That is all I have to say. I will not be posting plays any more but will answer handicapping questions. If you have any post them. The one guy who responded to my spot play system is getting my plays daily now. We have hit 10 straight NBA games with 2 pending tonight. I reward people who work at handicapping. I think he is a happy person.
    Cheers
  • xyz
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 02-14-08
    • 521

    #2
    Please move this to Sports Promotions & Links
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    • Peep
      SBR MVP
      • 06-23-08
      • 2295

      #3
      OK.

      So I'll put up 10K at Matchbook, and you'll put up 10K at Matchbook. (Screw this YOU'LL put the money in a safe trust, I don't know you from Adam, we can both trust Matchbook).

      We will work together at doing this. If we hit 62.5%, u get the 10K. If we don't, I do.

      Did I miss anything?
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      • cobra_king
        SBR MVP
        • 08-07-06
        • 2496

        #4
        Originally posted by xyz
        Please move this to Sports Promotions & Links
        Agreed

        Even JJ Gold can hit 5 of 8 plays.
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        • xyz
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 02-14-08
          • 521

          #5
          Please reread his post, he is not offering to put up any of his own money. Think of the the $10k as tuition. If he hits 5 out of 8 games or more, he is taking your $10k. If not, you will get your $10k back.
          You can't get much more +EV for the teacher in this scheme.

          Originally posted by Peep
          OK.

          So I'll put up 10K at Matchbook, and you'll put up 10K at Matchbook. (Screw this YOU'LL put the money in a safe trust, I don't know you from Adam, we can both trust Matchbook).

          We will work together at doing this. If we hit 62.5%, u get the 10K. If we don't, I do.

          Did I miss anything?
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          • spongerat
            SBR MVP
            • 10-01-08
            • 2023

            #6
            if you're hitting 60%+ chances are you're passing up some EV+ wagers which would increase your profit in the long term but decrease your so desired "60%" because for some reason you care about that more than maximizing profits
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            • trixtrix
              Restricted User
              • 04-13-06
              • 1897

              #7
              best freeroll idea ever! A+

              for anyone who's interested, my deal is much better: i can hit 10 out of 10 plays (screw this 5 out of 8 crap), for 100% success rate!! And all you have to do is put up 5k. if i hit all 10 plays (100%) i get to keep the 5k, if not i will return it.. sweet deal right?
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              • Peep
                SBR MVP
                • 06-23-08
                • 2295

                #8
                Yeah, your offer seems better trixtrix.

                I am starting to think maybe hajune is a bit of a trickster.
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                • ijustwant2bpaid
                  Restricted User
                  • 11-11-08
                  • 3706

                  #9
                  lets bet all -1000's and see if we can hit 65%, if it happens everyone drain their bankroll and send it to me via paypal, deal...?
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                  • reno cool
                    SBR MVP
                    • 07-02-08
                    • 3567

                    #10
                    Sure if you have discovered some new powerful information it would be possible to expect 60%. But it would have to be some amazing stuff. Nobody is going to be impressed with 5 for 8 however. Try again, or better yet don't.
                    bird bird da bird's da word
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                    • u21c3f6
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 01-17-09
                      • 790

                      #11
                      hajune, the assumption is that you are selecting 60%+ of -110 lines but that is not made clear by your post. Can you tell us what your edge % is and the range and average of odds of your selections? Thank you. Joe.
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                      • Formulawiz
                        Restricted User
                        • 01-12-09
                        • 1589

                        #12
                        Hajune, you hit the nail right on the head and you are a 100% correct in your description above. The one area I take exception to relates to power ratings. My question to you is, what are we trying to predict? Assists, turnovers, personal fouls, steals? Well the answer is the outcome of the game. So what basic statistic better represents this then final score? I have found over the years there is no other method or indicator which allows us to determine pretty accurately the strength of two teams. I agree with you that many good handicappers and oddsmakers all use the same data to formulate plays and this does not mean they will all come up with the same results. I can hand over a good PR system to 10 different individuals and I can assure you, we will get 10 different results. So it all boils down to these factors; Have you tested your system for many years, do you have good knowledge of the game, do you apply good rules to your system and do you know what to look for. This is what separates the men from the boys.
                        I also agree with you there are some very talented sports services out there that have come up with some amazing systems over the years that have been very successful and have been adopted by the oddsmakers. These guys understand the game and continue to do well.
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                        • Stumpage
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-21-05
                          • 2906

                          #13
                          Trust me, Hajune can hit 65% of his plays because he has the perfect system. If he loses, it's not really his fault. It's the fault of his "friend" and the losing selections don't count. Seriously, I'm not kidding. For a good laugh just read the first post in the following thread as I nominate this as the All-Time Gold Medal winning excuse of the Millenium...

                          *Damn, thread paste not working so allow me to quote directly from it. In the words of his good ol' friend "John":

                          "...Hajune is in the hospitol with some problem with his foot and can not walk so I posted his plays as he requested. On Monday I did not have his user name so I could not post. I think I made the shit list because gave the 3 teams he wanted to play against . He never plays 6 point visiting favorites or more starting in the last 3 weeks of college basketball and I put up Pitt and Creighton as plays which is opposite what he does. He told me he gave out this stragedy on this sight so it is known. When I visited him todat he wrote down those 3 teams but it said to play against. In other words he was not playing on a team but against it. The 3 teams I put on this sight were the 3 to play against. He is going to do a write up why they are bad plays during the last 2 weeks of the season. I hope nobody played those games because of this posting. He told me when a team becomes number 1 and go's on the road as a 6 point favorite or more in february they only cover 1/3 of the time in the last 20 years. He also told me that all teams favored by that much are bad plays in college. I am sorry for the mistake and I am not the best to help out even though I try. He should be back on Friday and will answer messages then.
                          John , friend of hajune"
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                          • hajune
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 09-04-07
                            • 219

                            #14
                            I have not read any responses as of this writing but will later tonight.
                            I will give you a profile of what I do and how it works in generic terms.
                            I start by working off the power spread .The power spread is the spread I use in comparison with the linemakers spread. I use the software program from sportrends. I believe it to be easily the best around. He has had it for 22 years and many talented handicappers also use it. I talk to him everyday and I can tell you he is a sharp handicapper. The software can actually be used to create your own formulas. I know of no other that does this.
                            I call the power spread the constant and I either add or subtract other imperative imformation to it. The other information I use are the varibles. I worked on developing this for at least 5000 hours tinkering with potential cause and effect relationships. I discovered there is a pecking order to what is important. I have 2 sets of primary factors and those trigger off a potential play . All other factors are secondary factors but their importance is moved up when they become part of the equation. All sports is about energy + motivation + talent. What I judge in the line of importance is the LIKELY ENERGY a team can put out in relationship to its ability. I then judge motivation. The talent part or the constant has already been added ( power point spread vs lines makers pointspread.)
                            The genetic code of good handicapping starts, at least with me, with the likelyhood of the energy a team will have for the upcoming team . Using the stock market as an example, if you invested in a stock at 40 and in a year's time it went to 45 , you would make money on most days. However; not on all days. There are indicators that suggest when a stock will go down or up in the short run. Those indicators work 80% of the time. It is likely a stock that go's from 40 to 45 in a given year will go up 2/3 of the time and down the remainding days. Using those INDICATORS will get you to the promise land.
                            The same is true in sports. ALL teams go thru cycles. It should be your goal to incorporate the likelyhood WHEN this will happen. If you can do so successfully you can make a lot of correct plays.
                            I will give you an example.
                            I use 7 indicators to formulate my patterns. Here are 2 of them. Let us say team A has a 3 point power spread edge. Team B however; is seeking revenge from a previous game they were favored and lost by let's say 7 points. This is not a good for team A. I went over 1000 games when the revenge factor occured in my research and discovered that the power spread edge will have totally vanished. At this point the game is a no play unless there is something that brings it back to a positive. Upon doing further research I discovered that when team B is in a slump against the spread the edge again go's to team A's favor. A team seeking revenge is NOT in position to undo the damage of the last game and indeed; may not be focused on seeking revenge. The team is struggling and is concentrating on getting back to its normal ability. Handicapping is not a one size fits all situation . There are at least 7 things I do that either strengthens a game or weakens it. When I put the numbers to each with precice weighted values some games become power plays that produce exploding profits! Each value is weighted in relationship to its strength. I would sample over 1000 games to see how each factors works INDEPENTENTLY of the other and how much it added to the play. It was a lot of work but a work of joy for me. As I write this I am on a 13 game NBA winning streak . 2 cappers from this sight and The man from sportrends will confirm this not that Ineed to prove myself. I simple put my information in mechanical form and a game becomes a non play or play. To my utter amazement I get too many plays. I did not expect this but it happened.
                            I hope this info gives you a profile of what I do. An ambitious person can do the same.
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                            • Madball
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 12-26-08
                              • 127

                              #15
                              Make that a 16 game NBA winning streak after tonight
                              Too bad I was out of town today until late.

                              Ignore all the negative replies Hajune--Keep on winning You have nothing to
                              prove to anyone on here.. Me and a few others that work with you are
                              doing just fine

                              I was like everyone else on here and all the other gaming forums--handicapping
                              the conventional way and losing in the long run if not the short--just like EVERYONE here ends up doing.
                              What you showed me ended up being priceless...NO ONE has seen or come up
                              with what you have on determinig factors that make a game a play or not...
                              So let the trash talkers talk--they wish they knew what you do......we have a lot of basketball to
                              win before baseball starts
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                              • Data
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-27-07
                                • 2236

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Madball
                                Hajune

                                Ghost alert.
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                                • Madball
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 12-26-08
                                  • 127

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Data
                                  Ghost alert.
                                  Sorry buddy--I'm from PA not Ohio..
                                  But if you meant I'm winning with Hajunes system..
                                  I am
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                                  • G's pks
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 01-01-09
                                    • 22251

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Madball
                                    Make that a 16 game NBA winning streak after tonight
                                    Too bad I was out of town today until late.

                                    Ignore all the negative replies Hajune--Keep on winning You have nothing to
                                    prove to anyone on here.. Me and a few others that work with you are
                                    doing just fine

                                    I was like everyone else on here and all the other gaming forums--handicapping
                                    the conventional way and losing in the long run if not the short--just like EVERYONE here ends up doing.
                                    What you showed me ended up being priceless...NO ONE has seen or come up
                                    with what you have on determinig factors that make a game a play or not...
                                    So let the trash talkers talk--they wish they knew what you do......we have a lot of basketball to
                                    win before baseball starts
                                    Is the so called 16 game nba winning streak documented here in his posts? Otherwise I agree with data...if not a ghost...what are you?
                                    Where is this win streak posted at?
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                                    • Madball
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 12-26-08
                                      • 127

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by G's pks
                                      Is the so called 16 game nba winning streak documented here in his posts? Otherwise I agree with data...if not a ghost...what are you?
                                      Where is this win streak posted at?
                                      Why should he post anything on here??Documented here?? Thats funny
                                      He posted his plays here for a few months and never had a losing week. If he doesn't go 50-0 here he gets blasted.

                                      Now the only place the picks are posted are at the sportsbooks....theres others besides me on this site
                                      that use his method and are doing fine...

                                      G...I've seen your picks before.. You must be one of those that Hajune talks about that has a desire to lose.
                                      You like to be seen talking trash about a guy who has a winning track record here?????

                                      You must be a winner
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                                      • Dark Horse
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-14-05
                                        • 13764

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Stumpage
                                        Trust me, Hajune can hit 65% of his plays because he has the perfect system. If he loses, it's not really his fault. It's the fault of his "friend" and the losing selections don't count. Seriously, I'm not kidding. For a good laugh just read the first post in the following thread as I nominate this as the All-Time Gold Medal winning excuse of the Millenium...

                                        *Damn, thread paste not working so allow me to quote directly from it. In the words of his good ol' friend "John":

                                        "...Hajune is in the hospitol with some problem with his foot and can not walk so I posted his plays as he requested. On Monday I did not have his user name so I could not post. I think I made the shit list because gave the 3 teams he wanted to play against . He never plays 6 point visiting favorites or more starting in the last 3 weeks of college basketball and I put up Pitt and Creighton as plays which is opposite what he does. He told me he gave out this stragedy on this sight so it is known. When I visited him todat he wrote down those 3 teams but it said to play against. In other words he was not playing on a team but against it. The 3 teams I put on this sight were the 3 to play against. He is going to do a write up why they are bad plays during the last 2 weeks of the season. I hope nobody played those games because of this posting. He told me when a team becomes number 1 and go's on the road as a 6 point favorite or more in february they only cover 1/3 of the time in the last 20 years. He also told me that all teams favored by that much are bad plays in college. I am sorry for the mistake and I am not the best to help out even though I try. He should be back on Friday and will answer messages then.
                                        John , friend of hajune"
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                                        • durito
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-03-06
                                          • 13173

                                          #21
                                          Crazyl is allowed to move my posts out of the think tank, yet this crap gets to stay in?
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