Soccer guys explain this bet to me

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 10:04 AM

Same

daneblazer · 06-14-14, 10:07 AM

So if this is the same who wouldnt take the +160 or +190?

FIFA World Cup 2014 - Group D - Manaus (Bovada Live Betting Available)

6:00p

England

Pick (-125) <input type="checkbox" value="18913878" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on England to cover the Point Spread" class="checkbox-pos" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 2px; ">

+160 <input type="checkbox" value="18913896" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on England to win straight up" class="checkbox-pos" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 2px; ">

2

(-115)o<input type="checkbox" value="18912380" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on the game's total score to be over 2" style="margin-top: 2px; margin-right: 2px; margin-bottom: 2px; margin-left: 2px; ">
(-105)u<input type="checkbox" value="18912381" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on the game's total score to be under 2" style="margin-top: 2px; margin-right: 2px; margin-bottom: 2px; margin-left: 2px; ">

Italy

Pick (+105) <input type="checkbox" value="18913879" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on Italy to win against the Point Spread" class="checkbox-pos" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 2px; ">

+190 <input type="checkbox" value="18913897" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on Italy to win straight up" class="checkbox-pos" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 2px; ">

-

Draw

-

+210 <input type="checkbox" value="18908973" name="lineID" title="Click to bet on a draw" class="checkbox-pos" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 1px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 2px; ">

AMERICAN LEAGUE

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 10:10 AM

Pk is different. Tie means money back. The other is ml, so only win if team wins. Lose if it is tie or they lose game

daneblazer · 06-14-14, 10:12 AM

Thought that, wasn't sure. Thanks

Capybara · 06-14-14, 10:32 AM

Sorry, still confused. Bookmaker right now has the following two offerings at the same price, which I cannot make sense of.

Columbia spread: -0.5, -125
Columbia ML: -125

Since the price is exactly the same, how can this mean two different things, with one harder or easier to get?? I know that with .25 and .75, a play is divided into two plays, but that can't be this, can it?

AntGualdieri1 · 06-14-14, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Capybara

Sorry, still confused. Bookmaker right now has the following two offerings at the same price, which I cannot make sense of.

Columbia spread: -0.5, -125
Columbia ML: -125

Since the price is exactly the same, how can this mean two different things, with one harder or easier to get?? I know that with .25 and .75, a play is divided into two plays, but that can't be this, can it?

This is the same bet you're making.

smoke a bowl · 06-14-14, 10:37 AM

The -125 in a 3 way line is the same as -.5 -125 because the draw is an option.

Capybara · 06-14-14, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by AntGualdieri1

This is the same bet you're making.

Well, which begs the question: Why is it listed two ways? What am I missing here?

GotGreek · 06-14-14, 10:40 AM

Nothing, theres the three way line which includes the draw and the. Theres the goal line which in this case happens to be a half goal which is the same as saying to win by any margin

Optional · 06-14-14, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Capybara

Well, which begs the question: Why is it listed two ways? What am I missing here?

Because in the Spread column -.05 means the same as moneyline.

They have to put something in their even if it happens to be the same.

At 5Dimes there is often a slight difference in price between -.05 and ML prices. Now thats confusing!

AntGualdieri1 · 06-14-14, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Capybara

Well, which begs the question: Why is it listed two ways? What am I missing here?

Its listed twice because sometimes books post the spread as PK between the two teams which means if they tie, you push. While the ML is three ways so if they tie, you will lose your bet.

In this case the spread is 0.5 and there isn't overtime so if they tie, you lose. I think they posted it twice so that they give the public the chance to bet on a DRAW something you can only do in the ML and the spread. Hope this made sense lol

easyliving · 06-14-14, 10:48 AM

clueless Americans trying to bet soccer

Sam Odom · 06-14-14, 10:49 AM

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/2901449-world-cup-friday-picks-p2.html#post22051997

thetrinity · 06-14-14, 10:49 AM

at least he asked before he bet the game

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

clueless Americans trying to bet soccer

bro, there is nothing on right now except soccer. if only turkish hoops was on plenty here would be asking questions too.

Dirty Sanchez · 06-14-14, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

clueless Americans trying to bet soccer

Look who's talking about being fukkin clueless...you're a Mets fan

daneblazer · 06-14-14, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

clueless Americans trying to bet soccer

First time I've bet soccer. I haven't been able to bring myself to bet on something that can end in a 0-0 tie

Capybara · 06-14-14, 11:00 AM

Anyway, I'm on Columbia to win this fukking game, for a unit. Who's with me??

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 11:01 AM

Bros, one of these Greek player has a last name that's like 20 letters
long. That's not right.

MoneyLineDawg · 06-14-14, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by easyliving

clueless Americans trying to bet soccer

Nothing wrong with asking first....gotta start somewhere

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 11:07 AM

Columbia fans and players seem into the cup. Lots if excitement.

daneblazer · 06-14-14, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by TwoWays

Columbia fans and players seem into the cup. Lots if excitement.

Probably just the coke

TwoWays · 06-14-14, 11:11 AM

True. Do they test soccer players for illegal narcotics

inZane · 06-14-14, 11:38 AM

Another question from a clueless American, what does "over 2 & 2.5" mean? Thanks

easyliving · 06-14-14, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by inZane

Another question from a clueless American, what does "over 2 & 2.5" mean? Thanks

go google asian handicaps and totals in soccer.

Optional · 06-14-14, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by inZane

Another question from a clueless American, what does "over 2 & 2.5" mean? Thanks

Its called an Asian Handicap.

It means half your bet stake is placed on Over 2 and half on Over 2.5

Sometimes you will see it written as Over 2.25, which means the same thing.

bystrow · 06-14-14, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by inZane

Another question from a clueless American, what does "over 2 & 2.5" mean? Thanks

You play the over 2 and the over 2.5, each with half of your wager. If there are
0-1 goals you lose both
exactly 2 goals you lose one half (over2.5) and get half cashback (over 2)
over 2 goals you win both
(just like Optional said)

inZane · 06-14-14, 12:11 PM

Thanks guys, Good luck to all!

Capybara · 06-14-14, 12:57 PM

I know I won at least!

miaplus3 · 06-14-14, 09:40 PM

is there any strategy to examining the the difference between the 3 way line vs the asian? Example, say England is -160 on the 3 way and -165 on the Asian, and looking at a completely different game Spain is -165 on the 3 way and -165 on the Asian, COULD that mean that the bookmakers consider England as a stronger favorite than Spain because they chose to bump Spain towards more favoritism on the Asian?

It seems like generally when you betting a favorite you get a slightly better price when playing the 3 way vs Asian, but every now and then you see it reversed

I know there is mathematical model that when the 3 way is established, the Asian falls into place and its the Bookmakers decision how to tweak it, but im confused on if he wants more money on the Fav, will establish the 3 way as better price for the favorite player to play?

Its confusing what im trying articulate, and ive been playing soccer for sometimes at 5dimes, and ive really got to scratch my head at the models they use. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Joe O · 06-15-14, 03:17 AM

Find a bookie and pay in cash!

spargament · 06-15-14, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Joe O

Find a bookie and pay in cash!

Cool story bro. Where do I find a book that will take max limit bets on Lithuania A-Lyga? You probably have a local that offers the full set of props available on the bigger European online books. He definitely takes in enough money and action on soccer so he'll be able to take you tossing a dime on Japan to score first, or my play tomorrow morning on Honefoss.

And for the record, what exactly does paying in cash do to help someone trying to understand Asian Handicaps, and the basics of reading/interpreting lines for soccer matches?

Martinr · 06-15-14, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by miaplus3

is there any strategy to examining the the difference between the 3 way line vs the asian? Example, say England is -160 on the 3 way and -165 on the Asian, and looking at a completely different game Spain is -165 on the 3 way and -165 on the Asian, COULD that mean that the bookmakers consider England as a stronger favorite than Spain because they chose to bump Spain towards more favoritism on the Asian?

It seems like generally when you betting a favorite you get a slightly better price when playing the 3 way vs Asian, but every now and then you see it reversed

I know there is mathematical model that when the 3 way is established, the Asian falls into place and its the Bookmakers decision how to tweak it, but im confused on if he wants more money on the Fav, will establish the 3 way as better price for the favorite player to play?

Its confusing what im trying articulate, and ive been playing soccer for sometimes at 5dimes, and ive really got to scratch my head at the models they use. Any assistance would be appreciated.

The most simple explanation I can give is the the Asian Handicap market is generally considered to be sharper than the Win/Draw/Win market. Watch for movements in the handicap, rather than the price, ie from -0.5 to -0.75. There is some big money placed on these markets, typically, but not exclusively, originating from Asia.
Another thing to be aware of is that because the Win/Draw/Win market is a 3 way market, bookmakers can get away with adding more vig to each option in that market.
Follow the moves on Pinnacle's AH markets, particularly in the 30 mins before kick-off.

Martinr · 06-15-14, 05:21 AM

Also, the Double Chance market (Win or Draw) is a popular bet, and it's worthwhile comparing the prices on this market to the +1 AH market, as these are the same bets.
A few bookmakers offer Alternative Asian Handicap markets which are good to check when there are heavy favourites that are motivated to score plenty of goals.