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  • seaborneq
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-08-06
    • 22556

    #1
    Should I hedge?
    1. Basketball Futures - 2009 College Basketball Post Season Tournaments
    Atlantic Coast Conference
    Team to win the Atlantic Coast Conference
    Duke (+300) [pending]

    Should I take the points, ML or ride it out? I have a while to think about it. I am thinking about taking the points and hope to win on both ends. Feedback.
  • Robust
    SBR MVP
    • 09-13-08
    • 3254

    #2
    if you have to hedge, i would take the points.. but i would just let it play out..

    but i am on a current losing streak, so fade my advice

    Robust
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    • MonkeyF0cker
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 06-12-07
      • 12144

      #3
      I would hedge it ML, personally.
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      • sickler
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 06-05-08
        • 15006

        #4
        For me, to hedge or not to hedge would depend how much money I stand to win.
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        • MonkeyF0cker
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-12-07
          • 12144

          #5
          You can't beat getting +300 ML for Duke here though. On second thought, I'd let it ride.
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          • seaborneq
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 09-08-06
            • 22556

            #6
            Originally posted by sickler
            For me, to hedge or not to hedge would depend how much money I stand to win.
            Let see, it is 3-1 odds.

            10=30
            100=300
            1000=3000
            10000=30000
            100000=300000

            Its just zeros. What difference does it make with what you are going to make, it is all the same? Just zeros. Poor people have to eat, drive, and work too. Help me out and pretend like I am Warren Buffet and not homeless Joe.
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            • Iwinyourmoney
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-18-07
              • 18368

              #7
              I would say......hedge it for whatever you bet on it. If you risked $100 on, take FSU + the points for $110 to win $100. Who knows........you may hit em both, but Id say at least hedge for what you have invested
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              • seaborneq
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-08-06
                • 22556

                #8
                Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
                I would say......hedge it for whatever you bet on it. If you risked $100 on, take FSU + the points for $110 to win $100. Who knows........you may hit em both, but Id say at least hedge for what you have invested
                That makes a lot of sense.
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                • Iwinyourmoney
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-18-07
                  • 18368

                  #9
                  Originally posted by seaborneq
                  That makes a lot of sense.
                  therefore, you are quarenteed not to lose any money on a wager, but have a chance of making good money. A gamblers dream, not risking a cent to hit a good chunk
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                  • MonkeyF0cker
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-12-07
                    • 12144

                    #10
                    If you're going to do that, I'd hedge it ML. It takes much less of your potential profit away. I don't know if there's a line out yet but I'm guessing Duke will only be a 4 point favorite or so tomorrow.
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                    • Iwinyourmoney
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-18-07
                      • 18368

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                      If you're going to do that, I'd hedge it ML. It takes much less of your potential profit away. I don't know if there's a line out yet but I'm guessing Duke will only be a 4 point favorite or so tomorrow.
                      no way, Id say 6 or 6.5

                      And I do agree with you Monkey on the profit part, BUT doesnt his potential also increase? Duke wins and doesnt cover, he makes a good amount more. The other way, he has no chance of making extra
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                      • The General
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 13279

                        #12
                        Duke can be beaten so yes I would take advantage of some free cash.

                        Best of luck to you.
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                        • MonkeyF0cker
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 06-12-07
                          • 12144

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
                          no way, Id say 6 or 6.5

                          And I do agree with you Monkey on the profit part, BUT doesnt his potential also increase? Duke wins and doesnt cover, he makes a good amount more. The other way, he has no chance of making extra
                          I'm not at home (at Caesars) right now so I can't run numbers but I'd be surprised to see Duke as that big of a favorite tomorrow. There are also calculations for expected growth in this scenario but again, I can't run the numbers right now and I'd need the lines for the game to be able to do that anyway. I would think leaving the bet as is, without a hedge, would be the best +EG course of action. I'm unable to verify that right now though.
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                          • seaborneq
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-08-06
                            • 22556

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                            I'm not at home (at Caesars) right now so I can't run numbers but I'd be surprised to see Duke as that big of a favorite tomorrow. There are also calculations for expected growth in this scenario but again, I can't run the numbers right now and I'd need the lines for the game to be able to do that anyway. I would think leaving the bet as is, without a hedge, would be the best +EG course of action. I'm unable to verify that right now though.
                            Great, get back with me.
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                            • pat venditto
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 05-07-07
                              • 14347

                              #15
                              Duke -6 tommorow is the opener.
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                              • smitch124
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 05-19-08
                                • 12566

                                #16
                                There is 6 (BM) and 6.5 (5D)
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                                • seaborneq
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-08-06
                                  • 22556

                                  #17
                                  I will gladly take the 6-6.5. No way fsu will not cover that. I am really worried about them winning outright against the Dookies.
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                                  • losturmarbles
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-01-08
                                    • 4604

                                    #18
                                    did you bet any other futures on the acc?
                                    if so you should count them against your duke future to get a true price of your bet on duke tomorrow.

                                    then decide if you should hedge
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                                    • seaborneq
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 09-08-06
                                      • 22556

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by losturmarbles
                                      did you bet any other futures on the acc?
                                      if so you should count them against your duke future to get a true price of your bet on duke tomorrow.

                                      then decide if you should hedge
                                      No, I didn't.
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                                      • HedgeHog
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 09-11-07
                                        • 10128

                                        #20
                                        Take FSU +6 for the amount you're wagering on your Duke +300 bet. An upset leaves you even at worst. You still win big with a Duke blowout, and collect both bets with a narrow Duke win.
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                                        • WileOut
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-04-07
                                          • 3844

                                          #21
                                          I don't know if its been said yet but unless the original bet is a bet that will change your life if it wins, then you have to analzye the hedge bet as you would any other bet. If it is a bet you would take normally, then do it. If not then ride your position out.

                                          If you put your house on Duke to win +300 then of course you should hedge.
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                                          • losturmarbles
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 07-01-08
                                            • 4604

                                            #22
                                            i would probably put about half of the initial bet on fsu ml,
                                            if you think fsu is going to cover you should probably put about the same amount as the initial bet on fsu ml.
                                            and forget about trying to middle
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                                            • seaborneq
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 09-08-06
                                              • 22556

                                              #23
                                              I really see no way Duke covers this game.
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                                              • losturmarbles
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 07-01-08
                                                • 4604

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                I really see no way Duke covers this game.
                                                then you should bet fsu+6 the amount that you would win with the duke future.

                                                then if duke covers you would net 0.
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                                                • seaborneq
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-08-06
                                                  • 22556

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by losturmarbles
                                                  then you should bet fsu+6 the amount that you would win with the duke future.

                                                  then if duke covers you would net 0.
                                                  Who do know who wants to net zero?
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                                                  • sickler
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-05-08
                                                    • 15006

                                                    #26
                                                    Damn, you're still pondering this?
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                                                    • seaborneq
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 09-08-06
                                                      • 22556

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by sickler
                                                      Damn, you're still pondering this?

                                                      The line is not up on my book yet. The Greek. Do you want me to wager with a greasy local with a shitty line?
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                                                      • losturmarbles
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 07-01-08
                                                        • 4604

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                        Who do know who wants to net zero?
                                                        you said there's no way duke covers

                                                        so make that part net 0
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                                                        • sickler
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 06-05-08
                                                          • 15006

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                          The line is not up on my book yet. The Greek. Do you want me to wager with a greasy local with a shitty line?
                                                          Greasy could be ok. Some can't help it, it's in their genes.

                                                          Shitty line, never....
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                                                          • seaborneq
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 09-08-06
                                                            • 22556

                                                            #30
                                                            I took the fsu +6.5. Done. Let's Rock.
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                                                            • Iwinyourmoney
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 04-18-07
                                                              • 18368

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                              I took the fsu +6.5. Done. Let's Rock.
                                                              Just for your original bet right?
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                                                              • seaborneq
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 09-08-06
                                                                • 22556

                                                                #32
                                                                Yes. So pulling for a close Duke victory. That means it will be a FSU blowout and break even.
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                                                                • Iwinyourmoney
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 04-18-07
                                                                  • 18368

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Hope for duke to win by 1-6
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                                                                  • seaborneq
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 09-08-06
                                                                    • 22556

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
                                                                    Hope for duke to win by 1-6
                                                                    yes, that is going to be tough though, if it is too close it could be a duke straight up loss, if it too far a duke victory by 7. I need this because this was a tough week.
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                                                                    • obama our lord
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 12-24-08
                                                                      • 562

                                                                      #35
                                                                      If you think your picks suck and that you should bet against yourself, sure.
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