Update on My Omni/BetUs case 9-29-06

[tacomax]

What does bruce do? He waits until the end of the day to post here about not wanting to take the test because he has not seen the questions. SHRINK has "guaranteed" the money if bruce passes. Now bruce is skeptical of being paid. I am losing confidence in this boy fast.

Interesting you take this side, Chuck.

Didn't you have an issue with BoS (you know, the book that the Vegas sharp warned you 7 years ago about, but you still went ahead and deposited there) where you claimed that they stole money from you? Didn't TOW offer to assist you in getting the money back but you refused the offer? Surely, by your thinking, you yourself are a scammer with something to hide.

[isetcap]

I do agree that you have run books through the ringer for lesser missteps than this one, Chuck. When people were pulling this exact same scam on BoS, you had no sympathy even though they were only pulling bonus money away from the scammers.

I feel this is an extraordinary process Bruce is being made to go through and I probably wouldn't do it just on principle. Having said that, I agree completely with Chuck that his stalling is quite incriminating...not that it should matter in terms of him getting paid, though.

[BlackJack]

so if the polygrapher thinks he is lying, he loses everything? I dont think thats right.

[tacomax]

so if the polygrapher thinks he is lying, he loses everything? I dont think thats right.

And the way that The Shrink is talking openly about wanting to place bets that Bruce is lying, I wouldn't fancy doing it either. To the untrained eye, it seems like he's being scammed again.

[Sam Odom]

Here's the deal: BetUs told Shrink they aint paying squat regardless.

The 'test' and Ken's "guarantee" to pay is just that, all Ken. He was taking too much PERSONAL heat on his forum to just let it go. IMHO, he is playing poker with a weak hand but a LARGE chip lead.

bruce, YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO GET YOUR $$$ IS TO CALL HIS BET AND TAKE THE TEST. BetUS will never pay you but Ken may if you pass the test.

[bruce]

Here's the deal: BetUs told Shrink they aint paying squat regardless.

The 'test' and Ken's "guarantee" to pay is just that, all Ken. He was taking too much PERSONAL heat on his forum to just let it go. IMHO, he is playing poker with a weak hand but a LARGE chip lead.

bruce, YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO GET YOUR $$$ IS TO CALL HIS BET AND TAKE THE TEST. BetUS will never pay you but Ken may if you pass the test.

Sam, I'm going to take the test. But I agree with you, I don't care for my chances of getting paid. The whole thing is shady. Shrink acts like if I did not take the test yesterday the whole thing is off. I've waited 4 years for this money and I want to make sure my ducks are in a row before I take this step.

[bruce]

The polygrapher was selected by a non bias observer. His reputation is not questioned. SHRINK posted that the polygrapher was ready. Needless to say he has the questions. SHRINK instructed bruce to call the polygrapher.

What does bruce do? He waits until the end of the day to post here about not wanting to take the test because he has not seen the questions. SHRINK has "guaranteed" the money if bruce passes. Now bruce is skeptical of being paid. I am losing confidence in this boy fast.

Chuck, I can't understand why you are turning on me. I have never said I wouldn't take the test. Shrink called me at work yesterday and told me to take the test today or he couldn't help anymore. I couldn't get out of work and told him that. As far as him telling me to call the polygraph guy for the questions, i have never sen that. If that is the case then the test will be taken soon. I will review this and make a statement later in the day. I am going to take this test but it will be with the questions. Even you said I should have the questions beforehand and everyone else agreed.

I also think the questions should be posted on the forum before the test for all to review. He wants to call me a scammer after he told me he wouldn't handle this case in the forums. I believe his exact words were "that is not the EOG way." If you trust the way he has handled this then you are nothing but his sucker. I have asked Shrink a few questions that he chooses to ignore, that doesn't seem shady to you? You are right I am stalling and for good reason, I have conditions that will be met, then I will take the test. If you're going to do something then do it right.

[BlackJack]

betus wants it both ways...

they aggresivly advertise their 'refer a friend' program and then when people do they are against it.....

NEWSFLASH FOR BETUS:

good friends will sometimes call each other and have them place a bet for them, sometimes they are away from their computer. i know in the past I have had to call a friend to call in a bet for me or to log in for me and place a bet.

either BetUs wants to promote a 'refer a friend' program or they dont. But I dont think they should have it both ways

[Chuck Sims]

The reason I am turning on you is that SHRINK may call this whole thing off. I am trying to get you to see that fact. Can't you see that in SHRINK's post? He is setting the table to pull the plug.

Sam Odom's correct. BetUS probably has nothing to do with offering the test. SHRINK will pay out of his pocket if you pass the test.

[Chuck Sims]

Attn posters: tacomax is a lying sleaze ball spewing his diarrhea as usual. I just ignore the slug, but when he posts lies about other posters, I will speak out.

[tacomax]

Attn posters: tacomax is a lying sleaze ball spewing his diarrhea as usual. I just ignore the slug, but when he posts lies about other posters, I will speak out.

Am I lying or am I just incorrect? Lying is knowingly telling an untruth. Being incorrect is assuming a truth which is in fact not a truth. The purpose of my questions was to ascertain what actually happened. And remember I didn't accuse you of anything - I wanted to know the answer to a couple of questions.

Since you failed to answer I guess you're having trouble following - I'll break it down for you:

Didn't you have an issue with BoS (you know, the book that the Vegas sharp warned you 7 years ago about, but you still went ahead and deposited there) where you claimed that they stole money from you?

This is a yes/no answer where:

Yes = I ignored what the "Vegas Sharp" said and still deposited and accused them of stealing my money.

No = I never deposited at BoS.

Didn't TOW offer to assist you in getting the money back but you refused the offer?

Again, this is a yes/no answer where:

Yes = I was offered assistance by TOW but never took them up on the offer.

No = I was never offered any assistance.

Surely, by your thinking, you yourself are a scammer with something to hide.

You don't need to answer that one. The answers to the two questions can determine the validity of that statement.

Care to reveal your answers, Chuck? Do you want to take a polygraph? Or are you going to avoid the questions again and look like you've got something to hide?

[bruce]

The reason I am turning on you is that SHRINK may call this whole thing off. I am trying to get you to see that fact. Can't you see that in SHRINK's post? He is setting the table to pull the plug.

Sam Odom's correct. BetUS probably has nothing to do with offering the test. SHRINK will pay out of his pocket if you pass the test.

Chuck, I was basically given a three hour window to take the test. He called me on Monday and said take the test today. I told him "there is no way I can take the test today" word for word. I told him I need a little more notice than right now because I was at work. I told him I would email him and I did. He called back about three hours later when I did not have my phone with me and said "call me within an hour or the deals off." I didn't get that message for several more hours. Which is not his or my fault, It's life.

I'm not sure what the rush is all about, i've waited 4 years to get paid. When I had a little more time yesterday, we sent emails back and forth. He said he "washing his hands of the situation." I guess Shrink is the McDonalds of player advocates.

I can't understand why people don't understand I can't just walk out of my job whenever it's convient for me. Not one person on these forums understands this. I don't know what you guys do for a living but I need one of those jobs, it must be nice. It would take me two hours round trip just to drive to this place and another two hours or so to take the test. Thats 4 hours, not 20 minutes like Shrink makes it out to be.

[Chuck Sims]

bruce, SHRINK pulled the plug...as I figured he would.

SHRINK called your bluff when you demanded to take the test on Monday Oct 9th. When he called for you to take the test you started your back pedaling.

Then the SHRINK instructed you to call the polygrapher to set up a time and go over the questions. You mentioned you did not see that post. Even though I posted here at SBR what SHRINK had said and posted it on every "bruce" thread at EOG to call the polygrapher.

SHRINK "guaranteed" you would be paid out of his own pocket when you passed the test. This was a publicity stunt for SHRINK as BetUS stiffed you and was not going to give you a penny. You gave SHRINK an out by back pedaling out of the polygraph test. I forewarned you this was happening, and you still refused to call the polygrapher. All the while SHRINK posting you were lying and that there was no friend. YOU STILL REFUSED TO TAKE THE TEST. Congrats, you've got people actually saying you deserved to get stiffed.

[BlackJack]

are there any updates on this story?

[bruce]

bruce, SHRINK pulled the plug...as I figured he would.

SHRINK called your bluff when you demanded to take the test on Monday Oct 9th. When he called for you to take the test you started your back pedaling.

Then the SHRINK instructed you to call the polygrapher to set up a time and go over the questions. You mentioned you did not see that post. Even though I posted here at SBR what SHRINK had said and posted it on every "bruce" thread at EOG to call the polygrapher.

SHRINK "guaranteed" you would be paid out of his own pocket when you passed the test. This was a publicity stunt for SHRINK as BetUS stiffed you and was not going to give you a penny. You gave SHRINK an out by back pedaling out of the polygraph test. I forewarned you this was happening, and you still refused to call the polygrapher. All the while SHRINK posting you were lying and that there was no friend. YOU STILL REFUSED TO TAKE THE TEST. Congrats, you've got people actually saying you deserved to get stiffed.

Chuck, let me brake this down for you.

Fri 10-6-06 Shrink Says I have to pass a polygraph to get paid.

Fri 10-6-06 I tell Shrink to schedule test for Mon 10-9-06

Fri 10-6-06 Shrink says he doesn't think it's possible to schedule the test for Mon 10-9-06. So I don't take any time off when I had a chance to do so.

Mon 10-9-06 At 10:30 AM Shrink calls me telling me to take test today. I told Shrink there is no way I can take the test today because I'm already at work. I told him I would call or email me later.

Mon 10-9-06 At noon or so I emailed Shrink asking for the questions that would be asked on the test.

Now this is important, I became very busy at work and after having already told Shrink I could not take the test that day, I thought he could comprehend english and realize that I actually couldn't. This is when he saw his chance to back out.

Mon 10-9-06 At around 1:00 pm Shrink called and left a message to call him in the next hour or the deal is off. As i have said I could not check my messages until several hours later.

Mon 10-9-06 I post at SBR around 9:00 PM, saying I need the questions for the test before i'll take the test.

Mon 10-9-06 Chuck Sims tells me to ask the polygraph tester for the questions.

Tues 10-10-06 I email Shrink asking how to set up the test and get the questions. Shrink emails back saying he has washed his hands of the situation.

So here it is, I had 3 and a half hours to take a test that was sprung on me on a Monday morning. Shrink lied and said I didn't call or email him on Monday. I indeed emailed him around noon on Monday.

Shrink never expressed feelings that this test HAD to be taken on Monday until after the last time I talked to him on the phone.

Now Chuck some of the things you've been saying about me backing out of this test have done nothing but piss me off. I NEVER and repeat NEVER tried to back out of this test. That is Shrink's position because he is not being honest with his readers. This guy villified by calling me a liar and a scammer when he knew I was at work. What was the rush for the test? This guy never expressed that there was any kind of time limit until Monday after I told him I couldn't take the test that day.

Then on Tuesday he told the biggest lie ever, saying my balance was at zero when I used the referral free play. I posted all my plays on this website a year ago. And that was never brought up to anyone until Shrink posted after he washed his hands of the situation. Because it is a LIE!!!! First the IP address lie and then this. These two things were never brought up in 4 years, but now they are with no proof.

Betus case against me has magically gotten stronger as the years go by. Especially after Shrink got involved even though they have ZERO proof. From the outset he should have called them on their BS because they had no proof.

The owner of BetUs gets a free pass from the polygraph altogether because he is overseas. While I get a test popped on me at the last minute and because I can't take it that second, I'm SOL. What a complete load of sh!t this guy is shoveling.

[bruce]

Sorry double post.

[natrass]

OK, everyones acting like its the hardest thing to sort out.

Its not.

Don't make the test this Monday or whatever ... the guys waited 4 years.

Lets make it two saturdays from now at, 1pm.

Sorted.

That gives two weeks to squabble over questions, etc.

If we could find a respected poster we could even have an independent arbitrator.

I could do such a job, but Im not cheap.