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  • TheAntFather
    SBR MVP
    • 03-14-11
    • 3021

    #106
    Originally posted by Thor4140
    And Denver almost lost to Dallas so what is ur point?
    Do you watch football much? Seattle was at Home and Denver was on the Road in those games.
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    • BEANTOWNJIM
      SBR MVP
      • 08-12-05
      • 4610

      #107
      WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GOD AND SPORTS I ALWAYS THINK BACK TO PHIL ESPOSITO WHEN HE PLAYED FOR THE BRUINS AND THEY HAD BUMPER STICKERS THAT READ

      JESUS SAVES AND ESPOSITO SCORES ON THE REBOUND
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      • Thor4140
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-09-08
        • 22296

        #108
        Originally posted by TheAntFather
        Do you watch football much? Seattle was at Home and Denver was on the Road in those games.
        Who cares for goodness sakes. The patriots got a gift win over Cleveland and they were one game away from the superbowl. Taking a certain game during the year means nothing.
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        • Thor4140
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-09-08
          • 22296

          #109
          Originally posted by pavyracer
          Does God watch the Superbowl? I don't remember reading about sports in the Bible.
          Of course he does silly. Why else would these knuckleheads bow to him after every score or good play?
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          • NolaDrewDats
            SBR High Roller
            • 01-22-14
            • 154

            #110
            All of this certainty Seattle will get to Peyton makes me laugh.
            He is gonna screen them to death and when they start backing off the pressure Moreno will hit them big.
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            • GunShard
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-05-10
              • 10031

              #111
              Home field advantage.
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              • SBR_John
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-12-05
                • 16471

                #112
                Originally posted by NolaDrewDats
                All of this certainty Seattle will get to Peyton makes me laugh.
                He is gonna screen them to death and when they start backing off the pressure Moreno will hit them big.
                Peyton is not mobile. Screens work on blitzes but seattle doesnt blitz much. With the extra time to prepare and as smart as Peyton is you have to figure they will have a lot of hot short routes in place.

                Key to the game is which offense can stay on the field and grind down the others defense.
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                • NolaDrewDats
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 01-22-14
                  • 154

                  #113
                  John, they run those slip screens to perfection. Those are the screens I was referring to. Sherman wont be able to stop every Denver WR.
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                  • 747planes
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-25-13
                    • 658

                    #114
                    Manning is not God. God is Manning.
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                    • bobby heenan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-20-09
                      • 4120

                      #115
                      Originally posted by slacker00
                      Just because you fudge the numbers, doesn't me we all do it. DEN -7 vs SD? Give me a break.

                      My point is that Peyton has great fantasy numbers, that's why the line is shaded against him now.
                      pay no attention to that guy man....same guy who thinks dice-k was "phenomenal" and believes his era was inflated because of homeruns...neglecting a 1.4 whip....
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                      • Rangers901
                        Restricted User
                        • 01-09-12
                        • 363

                        #116
                        Originally posted by bobby heenan
                        pay no attention to that guy man....same guy who thinks dice-k was "phenomenal" and believes his era was inflated because of homeruns...neglecting a 1.4 whip....
                        First off, I corrected myself and stated that what I was intending to say was "he had phenomenal stuff." So you can continue to reach with one point to point towards my "lack of knowledge."

                        Yes, a combination of walks and home runs led to an inflated ERA. Many times he had less hits than IP.

                        And people do realize that 7's were available, as well as books offering to buy it down from -115 -- -125.

                        Slacker, you're just upset because I proved how you manipulated the numbers to better suit what you support.

                        Bobby, why anyone would pay you the time of day is beyond me. Your lack of knowledge is evident, and your homerism dominates any type of thought process you may possess, if any.

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                        • bobby heenan
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-20-09
                          • 4120

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Rangers901
                          First off, I corrected myself and stated that what I was intending to say was "he had phenomenal stuff." So you can continue to reach with one point to point towards my "lack of knowledge."

                          Yes, a combination of walks and home runs led to an inflated ERA. Many times he had less hits than IP.

                          And people do realize that 7's were available, as well as books offering to buy it down from -115 -- -125.

                          Slacker, you're just upset because I proved how you manipulated the numbers to better suit what you support.

                          Bobby, why anyone would pay you the time of day is beyond me. Your lack of knowledge is evident, and your homerism dominates any type of thought process you may possess, if any.

                          you made the statement chief...not me.....my lack of knowledge is not evident to anyone but yourself....because i continue to point out your misguided ways.....you manipulate numbers to support an argument just as much as the next guy

                          somewhere in your head is the belief that ryan mallett would have won 10 games at the helm of the pats this year....and doug flutie could have won 3 superbowls with the patriots in the early 2000's....

                          you claim that brady has had way better defenses through his career...yet a DVOA efficiency ratings says there isnt much seperating their defenses throughout their careers
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                          • Rangers901
                            Restricted User
                            • 01-09-12
                            • 363

                            #118
                            Originally posted by bobby heenan
                            you made the statement chief...not me.....my lack of knowledge is not evident to anyone but yourself....because i continue to point out your misguided ways.....you manipulate numbers to support an argument just as much as the next guy
                            Actually, basically every point I've given regarding why Manning is far superior to Brady has stumped you, you always reach to the same one or two points.

                            Just admit it, you're a Brady homer. I do enjoy watching Manning play, but I'm not even a fan of the Broncos, I've been an Eagles fan since day one.

                            You only address the points that better suit your argument, the entire picture is thrown out because overall, your arguments aren't very well thought out.

                            Regarding Dice K, I corrected myself as soon as I realized I made the error, yet you keep reaching to a point that we established was worded wrong. That's certainly called reaching.
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                            • bobby heenan
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-20-09
                              • 4120

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Rangers901
                              Actually, basically every point I've given regarding why Manning is far superior to Brady has stumped you, you always reach to the same one or two points.

                              Just admit it, you're a Brady homer. I do enjoy watching Manning play, but I'm not even a fan of the Broncos, I've been an Eagles fan since day one.

                              You only address the points that better suit your argument, the entire picture is thrown out because overall, your arguments aren't very well thought out.

                              Regarding Dice K, I corrected myself as soon as I realized I made the error, yet you keep reaching to a point that we established was worded wrong. That's certainly called reaching.
                              clearly, a being of superior intelligence like yourself, would have worded it correctly the first time

                              what points have you put out there that i havent been able to refute?

                              the one about manning "carrying" his team to his superbowl victory??
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                              • crazykind
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 04-15-10
                                • 176

                                #120
                                San Diego showed the formula to beat Denver, and Arizona showed the way to beat Seattle...the problem is, Denver doesn't have the defense that Arizona had...when Denver receivers are jammed at the line the rhythm of the timing routes that manning owns is disrupted and the offense begins to sputter - if Demaryius Thomas gets off the line freely and is even or past the DB then that ball is complete everytime, you simply have to jam these guys at the line....this is the natural type of coverage that Seattle's DB's play, physical at the line, it is a good matchup for them

                                Time of possession for Seattle will be key, as we saw Peyton struggles to get into a flow when he is off the field for 15 minute stretches

                                Peyton's arm strength is not what it once was, we have all seen his once spiralling fastballs growing tails lately - you cannot throw things up against this Seattle secondary - last team to lead the NFL in 3 defensive stat categories was the 1985 Chicago Bears - when is the last time Manning played an elite defense?

                                Seattle has played against 6 top 10 defenses in a row, and all but New Orleans was a physical running offense (even the saints tried to run in the first half) - this defense is licking their chops to play against a finesse team, trust me
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65643

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by NolaDrewDats
                                  Moreno will hit them big.
                                  The 'x' factor of the entire game
                                  He can run for a hundred, he's Peyton's safety valve, and the little guy is chippy and Peyton loves the way he blocks for him.
                                  At 18 to 1, and very good MVP long shot play.
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                                  • NolaDrewDats
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 01-22-14
                                    • 154

                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                    The 'x' factor of the entire game
                                    He can run for a hundred, he's Peyton's safety valve, and the little guy is chippy and Peyton loves the way he blocks for him.
                                    At 18 to 1, and very good MVP long shot play.
                                    Knowshon is a little guy?
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                                    • stevenash
                                      Moderator
                                      • 01-17-11
                                      • 65643

                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by NolaDrewDats
                                      Knowshon is a little guy?
                                      He's not 6 feet tall and he's barely 200 lbs, by NFL standards, he ain't huge.
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                                      • NolaDrewDats
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 01-22-14
                                        • 154

                                        #124
                                        He's 5'11 220.
                                        In comparison, Adrian Peterson is 6'1 and only 217.
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                                        • stevenash
                                          Moderator
                                          • 01-17-11
                                          • 65643

                                          #125
                                          Originally posted by NolaDrewDats
                                          He's 5'11 220.
                                          In comparison, Adrian Peterson is 6'1 and only 217.
                                          I hear what you are saying, I just don't view Moreno as the prototypical bruiser
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                                          • PAULYPOKER
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 12-06-08
                                            • 36581

                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                            He's not 6 feet tall and he's barely 200 lbs, by NFL standards, he ain't huge.
                                            It is rare for runningbacks to be above 6ft tall....

                                            The shorter the harder to tackle.........
                                            low center of gravity
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                                            • lakerboy
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 04-02-09
                                              • 94379

                                              #127
                                              Sea will take some early penalties to establish their defensive presence. Den might get some field position advantages because of that but once the den receivers get scared to run accross the middle( that WILL happen) then manning will have to force things. Go and watch the superbowl with the saints/colts.
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65643

                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                Sea will take some early penalties to establish their defensive presence. Den might get some field position advantages because of that but once the den receivers get scared to run accross the middle( that WILL happen) then manning will have to force things. Go and watch the superbowl with the saints/colts.
                                                You really think that is a wise game plan?
                                                Give Manning two or three cheap shot 15 yard penalties, give them, say 10 free points, and have the refs for the rest of the game microscope everything the Seahawks do for the rest of the game?
                                                Be real dude, get real man.
                                                You ever see that set Denver runs with Welker in the backfield?
                                                How is Seattle, with the Broncos in a no huddle, going to get the proper personnel on the field and defend that.

                                                Manning, the Denver offense, coaches Fox and Gase will keep Seattle's defense on their heels all game.

                                                I think you are forgetting Manning is as a good a QB as Seattle is on defense.

                                                By the way, Peyton was 31 for 45 in that Saints SB game for 333 yards, and the only blemish Peyton had that game was when Peyton was driving the Colts for a tie late in the fourth when Porter guessed right and jumped the route for the pick.
                                                That game was 17-16 Colts dude with 10 minutes left.

                                                What am I supposed to be looking for in that SB game, Manning played well, and how many sacks did the Saints have?
                                                Try none
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                                                • NolaDrewDats
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 01-22-14
                                                  • 154

                                                  #129
                                                  You hit the nail on the head Nash. Look at guys like Brees, Brady, and Peyton. Neither are exactly fleet of foot but they are hardly anywhere near the top of the sack list. That's because they know how to manipulate the pass rush with their pocket presence so well.
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                                                  • Fred The Hammer
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-13-13
                                                    • 11582

                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                    Sea will take some early penalties to establish their defensive presence. Den might get some field position advantages because of that but once the den receivers get scared to run accross the middle( that WILL happen) then manning will have to force things. Go and watch the superbowl with the saints/colts.


                                                    Manning will make some plays....won't light them up but he'll make plays with all those receivers. Seattle will try to run the ball down their throat but Denver can play the run. Seattle has a substandard QB and substandard WRs. If Denver can beat Rivers and Brady...they can beat Russ WIlson. Go and watch the superbowl with the bears/colts!!
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                                                    • slacker00
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-06-05
                                                      • 12262

                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by Rangers901
                                                      First off, I corrected myself and stated that what I was intending to say was "he had phenomenal stuff." So you can continue to reach with one point to point towards my "lack of knowledge."

                                                      Yes, a combination of walks and home runs led to an inflated ERA. Many times he had less hits than IP.

                                                      And people do realize that 7's were available, as well as books offering to buy it down from -115 -- -125.

                                                      Slacker, you're just upset because I proved how you manipulated the numbers to better suit what you support.

                                                      Bobby, why anyone would pay you the time of day is beyond me. Your lack of knowledge is evident, and your homerism dominates any type of thought process you may possess, if any.

                                                      7's were available on buy down? Keep digging. 7 was never the line. Besides, we are talking about closing lines.
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                                                      • goduke
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 02-17-10
                                                        • 11580

                                                        #132
                                                        i dont know why people dont talk about how this whole game will be decided by the refs. If they let seattle play physical then they will contain manning. If they call touchy penalties seattle has no shot. I think the latter is going to happen unfortunately because the nfl is a corrupt shady organization
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                                                        • goduke
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 02-17-10
                                                          • 11580

                                                          #133
                                                          this game isnt fun anymore, anyone who watched football before this knows what I mean. The game can be completely controlled now
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                                                          • slacker00
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 10-06-05
                                                            • 12262

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by goduke
                                                            i dont know why people dont talk about how this whole game will be decided by the refs. If they let seattle play physical then they will contain manning. If they call touchy penalties seattle has no shot. I think the latter is going to happen unfortunately because the nfl is a corrupt shady organization
                                                            Here you go. I started a thread Tuesday. I'm hoping for some great analysis by SBR experts before kickoff.

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                                                            • Tommy Karate
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 10-12-13
                                                              • 13445

                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by PAULYPOKER
                                                              It is all sharp money pal,LOL...........

                                                              public never bets til game day....

                                                              You said same thing bout ravens last year and who was the $$$ on by game time?

                                                              WTF happened to you?

                                                              Either someone hacked your account or You have officially gone off the reservation.......
                                                              the public is betting the entire 2 weeks. normally i would agree with you, but in the superbowl.

                                                              to me its more telling that the sharp books wont go to 3. i will have a tough time with this if manning gets good weather. the youth of wilson scares me, and lynch is clearly distracted with all this media bs
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                                                              • ChicagoCover
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 07-11-10
                                                                • 661

                                                                #136
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                                                                • ChicagoCover
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 07-11-10
                                                                  • 661

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by GunShard
                                                                  Home field advantage.

                                                                  That. Is. Crazy.
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                                                                  • Wulfman14
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 08-24-10
                                                                    • 8869

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Bottom line broncos will do just enough to win. Manning is smart , reads defensive schemes well. I would say Eli is smarter but Peyton has far more skill and ain't dumb. It might take a quarter but he will get reads on this Seattle defense and the offensive coordinators will make the necessary adjustments.
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                                                                    • MikeyD323
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 04-09-12
                                                                      • 1454

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                      Why would you like Denver?

                                                                      I can't, for the life of me, figure out what advantage the Broncos have in this matchup.
                                                                      U joking??? Simple logic: seahhawks cant score for shiyttt. Ya good D but cant stop broncos every time and no way can they go tit for tat in scoring. Broncos in a blowout. Audibles and controlling the line and changing signals will have seattle confused. They shutdown one guy and The firepower will go to another one of their top tier recievers. Seattle doesnt stand a chance scoring 15 pts as usual lmfoa. This isnt the 49rs who they almost lost to at home lol
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                                                                      • slacker00
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 10-06-05
                                                                        • 12262

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by MikeyD323
                                                                        U joking??? Simple logic: seahhawks cant score for shiyttt. Ya good D but cant stop broncos every time and no way can they go tit for tat in scoring. Broncos in a blowout. Audibles and controlling the line and changing signals will have seattle confused. They shutdown one guy and The firepower will go to another one of their top tier recievers. Seattle doesnt stand a chance scoring 15 pts as usual lmfoa. This isnt the 49rs who they almost lost to at home lol
                                                                        You must have the Seahawks confused with some other team. 49ers are better than DEN too.
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