The Markets up today....where's the Obama haters?

[Dbldown11]

Now I'm not one of the ignorant minds that believes where the market moves on a day to day basis has any meaning. However every day that the market goes down there are morons on the site that feel the need to post how Obama is going to ruin the country and point to the fact that the markets have dropped everyday since his plans....

Where are all of you now? And if tomorrow the markets are down you'll all poor in here talking about how Obama is ruining the nation. Get a clue you feeble minded idiots....The daily ups and downs of the market are not directly related to any of Obama's plans.....especially since they havnt been put in place yet or had time to have any affect

[daggerkobe]

[jayc88]

wheat is up too

[curious]

Now I'm not one of the ignorant minds that believes where the market moves on a day to day basis has any meaning. However every day that the market goes down there are morons on the site that feel the need to post how Obama is going to ruin the country and point to the fact that the markets have dropped everyday since his plans....

Where are all of you now? And if tomorrow the markets are down you'll all poor in here talking about how Obama is ruining the nation. Get a clue you feeble minded idiots....The daily ups and downs of the market are not directly related to any of Obama's plans.....especially since they havnt been put in place yet or had time to have any affect

And the fact that the market is down 2600 and change since the "stimulus" plan was announced and everyone with half a brain figured out that there was no plan it was just more throwing money at bullshit leftist social engineering programs means what?

[Dbldown11]

Everyone with a brain doesnt realize this.....In fact I've heard and read the opinions of MANY Economist (people with more knowledge than you curious) say that the spending is stimulating to the economy, and the worst "stimulating" things in the stimulous are the tax cuts which Obama HAD to put in the for the GOP....

[Boner_18]

The pop today was from Bernake's comments...

[Dbldown11]

since when is building roads and schools, and infrastructure that are country has let fall apart become bullshit leftist spending???? Oh I forgot spending money for those things is "socialist"...we need to worry about spending all our time, energy, and money on the military and cutting taxes for the wealthiest in the country....then our economy will be stimulated

[Data]

Get a clue you feeble minded idiots....The daily ups and downs of the market are not directly related to any of Obama's plans...

I have a little clue and I can attest that based on the statement above you certainly do not.

[daggerkobe]

neocons ride in flying cars and send their kids to private schools. so screw the roads and public schools.

[curious]

Everyone with a brain doesnt realize this.....In fact I've heard and read the opinions of MANY Economist (people with more knowledge than you curious) say that the spending is stimulating to the economy, and the worst "stimulating" things in the stimulous are the tax cuts which Obama HAD to put in the for the GOP....

That is interesting since the DemoCong refused to even talk to the GOP at all on this bill and the GOP voted pretty much 100% against it.

Obama has been promising tax cuts since his pollsters told him that the country is 80% in favor of tax cuts.

Just because you found numerous idiots that agree doesn't mean they are correct.

I love how the leftist idiots think that having lots of people agree on a stupid idea makes it a good idea. Einstein said it best when a "committee" tried to refute one of his ideas and was so proud that they had 20 people "in agreement", he said "Well, if my idea is wrong, you don't need 20 people, 1 would suffice".

So, tell me how giving people money that they did not earn stimulates the economy but allowing people to keep more of the money that they did earn does not stimulate the economy?

And these "ECONOMISTS" that are so much smarter than me, what subjects are their Ph.D.s in? How many Fortune 2000 clients do they have?

[Dbldown11]

Your telling me that the markets movement on a day to day basis is related to everything the president is saying.....and when they go down initially that means they will stay down?

You sir are incorrect, the markets may go up or down based on a plan he comes out with initially....However that DOES NOT mean that they will stay in that trend. All that means is peoples initial reactions to the plan

[ryanXL977]

why did the market go down the last yr? was that obamas fault too? is gas reaching 4 bucks 1.5 yrs ago his fault? is iraq? is 911? i remember all the neocons saying that bush was only pres for 9 months so how could 911 be his fault. yet obama is to blame for 8 yrs of debt afetr 1 month

seems fair i guess

[Dbldown11]

That is interesting since the DemoCong refused to even talk to the GOP at all on this bill and the GOP voted pretty much 100% against it.

Obama has been promising tax cuts since his pollsters told him that the country is 80% in favor of tax cuts.

Just because you found numerous idiots that agree doesn't mean they are correct.

I love how the leftist idiots think that having lots of people agree on a stupid idea makes it a good idea. Einstein said it best when a "committee" tried to refute one of his ideas and was so proud that they had 20 people "in agreement", he said "Well, if my idea is wrong, you don't need 20 people, 1 would suffice".

So, tell me how giving people money that they did not earn stimulates the economy but allowing people to keep more of the money that they did earn does not stimulate the economy?

And these "ECONOMISTS" that are so much smarter than me, what subjects are their Ph.D.s in? How many Fortune 2000 clients do they have?

How does giving money to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS that drove themselves into the ground stimulate the economy? And how is that different than trying to help the economy with the housing plan?

And the GOP all voted against the recovery package because they want ALL TAX CUTS......WHICH IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK. The democrats did talk to them....but when repbulicans refuse to waver from their it's all our way or nothing moto its hard to listen to their input.

The plan they wanted consisted of almost 100% tax cuts. If americans wanted that, or thought it would work we would have voted for McCain.

And helping people that are going into foreclosure save their house stimulates the economy by trying to stop the bleeding of the housing crisis which is what started this whole thing. Sure we could do nothing to stop the foreclosures, and the people who are upside-down on their homes....but then the economy will never improve.

[curious]

neocons ride in flying cars and send their kids to private schools. so screw the roads and public schools.

So, fixing the roads will cost 1 Trillion $$?

The DemoCong cannot pass a road construction bill?

Or, and this is a CRAZY idea, make it so that the states can get the highway construction money without needing Congress to pass a law. The money is collected in fuel taxes, but the states cannot get it without Congress passing a law. So, why not just make it so the states can use that money directly without involving Congress?

Public schools are not already funded by property taxes?

[Dbldown11]

Curious have you seen the state of public schools in this country.......sure some are great, and I was lucky enough to go to a great one. The majority however are vastly underfuneded and in need of improvements....Why is it that our students in this country have been consistently outperformed by students their age in other countries as of late?

Is that a good thing to let happen for our country and economy?

[ryanXL977]

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why dont you guys just put this buffoon on ignore. we have 8 yrs of evidence proving him wrong, plus the entire 1980s. so why even bother?

[Dbldown11]

And stopping the HUGE numbers of foreclosures in the country also helps the economy (and banks) because it saves the lenders from having to foreclose which in doing so will save them money, because foreclosing on a property is an expensive thing for banks

[Dbldown11]

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why dont you guys just put this buffoon on ignore. we have 8 yrs of evidence proving him wrong, plus the entire 1980s. so why even bother?

Because he at least uses logic and reason and stats to back up his claims....even if I disagree with them

[ryanXL977]

no he doesnt, he calls democracts vietcong dude. he supports the gop which is a bunch of ninnys composed of religious nuts and closet homos

[Dbldown11]

regardless....if you dont listen to views that oppose your own you eventually just become one sided......then we are no better than the republicans who are so stuck in their I'm right your wrong mindset before ever listening to an opposing view.

Just like the Republicans who claim to never have been talked to be DEMS about the stimulous had their "leader" come out and tell them to vote against the stimulous before ever meeting with the president

[curious]

How does giving money to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS that drove themselves into the ground stimulate the economy?

I doesn't, which makes one wonder why the DemoCong voted for such a plan. I certainly don't support that idea.

And how is that different than trying to help the economy with the housing plan?

Which housing plan? The one that should have been implemented two years ago to help people who were defrauded into NINJA loans keep their houses? Or the one that just gave money to banks with no oversight in how it would be spent? Or the latest plan which no one understands because it is so convoluted? Or the now too late plan to help people keep their houses, but it won't actually do that because it relies on the mortgage holders to do something against their best interest without forcing them to do it? Which plan are you referring to? And what does the housing plan have to do with giving away 1 Trillion $$ on the leftists' pet social engineering projects?

And the GOP all voted against the recovery package because they want ALL TAX CUTS

Actually, they voted against the "recovery" package because it is just a big giveaway program that will damage the economy.

......WHICH IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK.

Please show us this proof. You have repeated this mantra before, but you show no proof.

So, you are saying that the Reagan tax cuts did not help end the Carter depression? If not, then what did end the Carter depression?

The democrats did talk to them

This is an out and out lie.

....but when repbulicans refuse to waver from their it's all our way or nothing moto its hard to listen to their input. The plan they wanted consisted of almost 100% tax cuts. If americans wanted that, or thought it would work we would have voted for McCain.

Can you please give us a link to this alternate plan. I have not seen it, nor can I find it.

So, you are saying that it is better to have crooked, elitist, government officials decide where money should be spent than to let hard working people keep more of the money they earned and decide for themselves how it is best spent? That is what you are saying? Because if your argument is that the DemoCong refused to talk to the Republicans because the Republicans wanted 1 Trillion $ worth of tax cuts and the DemoCong wanted to say how to spend 1 Trillion $ then that is EXACTLY what you are saying.

And helping people that are going into foreclosure save their house stimulates the economy by trying to stop the bleeding of the housing crisis

True, saving people from foreclosure would help the economy, but the DemoCong plan won't do that. It is too little too late and what they want to do won't save anyone. To save a homeowner what you have to do is:
1. Establish the homeowners true income.
2. Calculate a monthly payment based on 25% of that income.
3. Calculate the amount of money that can be amortized by that monthly payment.
4. Give the homeowner a new loan for the amount calculated in #3.
5. Someone then has to write off the difference. The mortgage holder is not going to do that. So then the government has to pay the difference.

That is the only plan that will work and that is NOT the plan the DemoCong passed.

...which is what started this whole thing.
Sure we could do nothing to stop the foreclosures, and the people who are upside-down on their homes....but then the economy will never improve.

What started the whole thing was the artificially low interest rates and the lowering of lending standards to the point that a blind monkey who could fog a mirror could get a loan. The complete failure of the banking oversight committee in Congress. Let's see who runs that committee?

I never said we should do nothing to stop the foreclosures.

The problem I have with the Obama plan is that what is proposed does nothing to stop foreclosures. See my plan outlined above for what it will take to stop foreclosures. Then multiply 2 million X $150,000 X 4 years to see what that would cost. Which is why that is not the plan.

[ryanXL977]

i listened to their views during the 1990s when they said clinton raising taxes would cause unemployment and ruin the economy
i listen when they scream trickle down and say tax cuts as an answer to every problem
i listened when they said invade iraq, it will cost 5 billion and require 100k troops, and sprinkle magical fairy democracy dust thruout the middle east
i listened, and they have been wrong every single time

so they can eat shit and die

[brooks85]

ahah hilarious, best part is in 2001 Republicans brought the risky lending practices to the attention of Democrats and Democrats shut it down. And now look at the mess. But, of course, you will never hear of this on the news.

[FreeFall]

the market is all speculation. The underlining problem is still there and no matter how much money you throw at it won't change peoples minds or consumer confidence. That takes time which apparently no one wants to wait for. So lets keep de-inflating the dollar and dropping the US economy!!!

[brooks85]

Crazy that the practices that occur in today's world cause uprising throughout history. Yet, before it became US(the people) vs them(government,ruler, king etc..) and now it is Us(republicans) vs them(democrats) while the government plays mediator(puppet master.) Bottomline, this country is the way it is because the people let it get that way. America is full of a bunch of lazy, ignorant fools. As long as they have their six-pack and the game is on tv, the world is just fine.

[curious]

Curious have you seen the state of public schools in this country.......

I used to teach reading and writing to high school graduates who could not read and write.

My wife used to teach in one of the worst ghettos in Connecticut.

So, yes I have.

sure some are great, and I was lucky enough to go to a great one.

Unfortunately, you didn't learn how to think for yourself and research facts and make your own opinions.

The majority however are vastly underfuneded and in need of improvements....

This is a myth. The schools are not underfunded. They are mismanaged. Get a school board budget and see what % of the money goes to teachers and students and what % goes to the bureaucrats, their fancy offices, their cars, etc. If you can even get a copy of the budget. We had to sue the school board under the freedom of information act to get a copy.

The schools are in need of improvements because most people that run and administer schools are elitists who look down on the students and don't give a shit and are not capable of managing anything.

If you don't believe this just look at the $ amount per pupil in any school district you want to pick. The problem is that the $ do not get to the pupils. The majority gets siphoned off by the bureaucrats.

Why is it that our students in this country have been consistently outperformed by students their age in other countries as of late?

Because liberals took over the education system and watered down the curriculum and put in these idiotic policies that everyone has to be admitted regardless of merit and everyone has to be passed regardless of ability. This problem has nothing to do with budget.

Is that a good thing to let happen for our country and economy?

So giving the people who have proven incapable of teaching our children even more money helps them magically become able to teach our children how?

And if you think that 1 PENNY is going to actually go to the teachers and the children, that the bureaucrats and elitists are not going to divert the money for their own use you are not just misinformed, you are delusional.

[Dbldown11]

The markets ups and downs are based on the buying and selling of stocks. People buy our sell their stocks based on what companys they think will show a good return or not. If you put more money into the pockets of the less wealthy they will spend that money on the corporations which will show a better return. If you put that money into the hands of the wealthy.....those wealthy who already have the little gadgets and gizmos will use it to invest. Using money to invest DOES NOT HELP THE ECONOMY. What helps the economy is when people are buying things

[brooks85]

With all the money they have spent in this stimulus package, they could have sent EVERY PERSON(man, woman, child, illegal immigrant, non-tax payers) roughly 2700 dollars. Now that would be a stimulus package. But its ok, the honeybees get 150 million and we still have enough for our fish barriers(20 million.)

[curious]

Crazy that the practices that occur in today's world cause uprising throughout history. Yet, before it became US(the people) vs them(government,ruler, king etc..) and now it is Us(republicans) vs them(democrats) while the government plays mediator(puppet master.) Bottomline, this country is the way it is because the people let it get that way. America is full of a bunch of lazy, ignorant fools. As long as they have their six-pack and the game is on tv, the world is just fine.

When the revolution comes we will take care of the DemoCong. Don't worry about that.

[ryanXL977]

with all the money from iraq they could have built a completely new energy infrastructure and gotten off foreign oil instead of using the usa war machine to try to steal other countries assets

[brooks85]

O, and dont forget about Global Warming, its still around the corner, we need more money for that too.

[Dbldown11]

I used to teach reading and writing to high school graduates who could not read and write.

My wife used to teach in one of the worst ghettos in Connecticut.

So, yes I have.


Unfortunately, you didn't learn how to think for yourself and research facts and make your own opinions.

This is a myth. The schools are not underfunded. They are mismanaged. Get a school board budget and see what % of the money goes to teachers and students and what % goes to the bureaucrats, their fancy offices, their cars, etc. If you can even get a copy of the budget. We had to sue the school board under the freedom of information act to get a copy.

The schools are in need of improvements because most people that run and administer schools are elitists who look down on the students and don't give a shit and are not capable of managing anything.

If you don't believe this just look at the $ amount per pupil in any school district you want to pick. The problem is that the $ do not get to the pupils. The majority gets siphoned off by the bureaucrats.


Because liberals took over the education system and watered down the curriculum and put in these idiotic policies that everyone has to be admitted regardless of merit and everyone has to be passed regardless of ability. This problem has nothing to do with budget.

So giving the people who have proven incapable of teaching our children even more money helps them magically become able to teach our children how?

And if you think that 1 PENNY is going to actually go to the teachers and the children, that the bureaucrats and elitists are not going to divert the money for their own use you are not just misinformed, you are delusional.

I made a point to tell RyanXL that even though people have different views they should look at eachothers views and listen to try and learn. And I went out of my way to say even though we may have differing views I still respect and listen to what you have to say. But if you are going to come out and tell me that I'm uneducated and can't think for myself then **** you. Because you sir are an ignorant prick. And one who has not respect for other people or their ideas. So **** you. And I'm happy that you are wallowing in your own filth and self loathing and unhappiness with the direction of our country. I for one, along with milliions of others am happy to finally see something different going on in politics. I not only hope it works, but I believe it will. And since your and ignorant piece of shit, I have nothing else to say about it.

[brooks85]

Ya its sad, According to experts( definitely not me) roughly billion people in the world do not have direct access to fresh water.(meaning they cant just turn on a sink or go to a well outside their house.) It would cost 10 dollars a head to provide a well for everyone. Make it 11 for good faith. Thats 11 billion dollars. We spend that much in one month in Iraq.

[curious]

The markets ups and downs are based on the buying and selling of stocks. People buy our sell their stocks based on what companys they think will show a good return or not. If you put more money into the pockets of the less wealthy they will spend that money on the corporations which will show a better return. If you put that money into the hands of the wealthy.....those wealthy who already have the little gadgets and gizmos will use it to invest. Using money to invest DOES NOT HELP THE ECONOMY. What helps the economy is when people are buying things

So, investing in research that leads to innovation which leads to new markets and new products does not help the economy?

Investing in new factories does not help the economy?

Investing in new machinery, new processes that lead to higher productivity and makes our companies better able to compete does not help the economy?

And you don' tthink that that 1 Trillion $ is going to mostly go into the pockets of powerful elitists? You think that a large % of that money is going to get into the pockets of the "less wealthy"? You are on some serious crack if you believe this.

So, if what you say is true then the most efficient way to stimulate the economy would have been a tax cut so that everyone can keep their own money and spend it how they see fit. That would have meant that pretty much everyone would have money.

By having Congress give the money to whom they see fit, the money will go into the pockets of the very few. Most of us won't see a penny.

So, you defeated your own argument.

[curious]

I made a point to tell RyanXL that even though people have different views they should look at eachothers views and listen to try and learn. And I went out of my way to say even though we may have differing views I still respect and listen to what you have to say. But if you are going to come out and tell me that I'm uneducated and can't think for myself then **** you. Because you sir are an ignorant prick. And one who has not respect for other people or their ideas. So **** you. And I'm happy that you are wallowing in your own filth and self loathing and unhappiness with the direction of our country. I for one, along with milliions of others am happy to finally see something different going on in politics. I not only hope it works, but I believe it will. And since your and ignorant piece of shit, I have nothing else to say about it.

So, was it the fact that I used to teach reading and writing to high school graduates who graduated not knowing how to read and write, or was it the fact that my wife used to teach in one of the worst ghettos in Connecticut that makes me an ignorant prick?

I'm confused I guess.