Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
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I see no reason that the trades Orlando and Chicago made will affect the outcome of this gameComment -
If a different starting lineup doesn't change the outcome of a game, what does exactly?
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Different starting lineup does not mean different outcome.Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerIf a different starting lineup doesn't change the outcome of a game, what does exactly?
Orlando is the better of the two teams, regardless of where they play.
The game of basketball is more of a team oriented game than any other game. The Bulls trades may payoff in the long run, but, you won't replace starters and have the new guys step in and be a better team right away. Chances are, the Bulls will struggle in the first few weeks after the trades.
If you're basing your bets off of trades, then you are basing your bets on the unknown, which will result in a losing effort in the long run.Comment -
That almost made me choke on my soda. Basketball is probably the most individual sports of all team sports. No NBA team runs complex offenses. The triangle is about as complex as it gets. Every player studies game film and is familiar with other teams' offensive schemes. It isn't difficult to fill a role immediately. I make plenty of bets based on trades. It's called finding value and I seem to do alright.Comment -
I can give you guys a quick review having seen Thomas, Salmons, and Miller play for Chicago on Sunday, when I hit the under. Miller is a needed part in the middle for the Bulls. He will without doubt help with the rebounding. In the middle previously back up Aaron Gray had no foot speed and Noah was being over powered physically.
Onto Sunday's game... Obviously the trades will factor into the Bulls system... Nocioni will be missed! He was a guy that played hard "D" and could once in a while light up the scoreboard. I doubt the others traded wil be missed. As far as Miller and Thomas go they played for Bulls before. Thomas fell into Skiles (ex coach) dog house and never played...looked very slow on Sunday but did hit a 3. Salmon also looked slow, but should be the perfect fit with Rose... I did notice Salmon hit a few open 3's... He would probably be more valuable if he could get inside for dishoffs from Rose. Noah does this now but is very inconsistent.
I think the Bulls should match up a little better tonight... My main concern is Howard... All year the Bulls have not competed with teams that have a good center... Perefect example would be Houston... Ming made the Bulls look bad all night a few weeks ago. Hopefully this is where Miller makes a difference... I would look to previous match ups of Sac/Orl between Miller and Howard for a clue and an important piece of the puzzle tonight... No lean for me on this one yet...trying to figure out a few things... GL everyone!Comment -
Name one player that won a championship on his own?Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
Kobe? Nope, needed Shaq
Michael? Nope, needed Pippen
LeBron? Needs? Who knows
To be a successful team, the players need to be familiar with each other, you don't just throw 5 guys out there and they win. See the USA Olympic team from 1994-2004.Comment -
So your argument is that championships can be won with two players. And that makes it the most complete team sport? Are you hearing yourself?
BTW, this isn't a championship. This is a single game where a much improved Bulls squad is a 3 point dog at home.Comment -
i don't know where sbr find these people. some of the dumbest shit ive ever seen gets posted here.Comment -
No, my argument is that there are great NBA players, but they don't make great NBA teams.Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
And you can't just bring in people and automatically be a great team.
Not to mention, Orlando is a top tier team, and Chicago isn't. That is my argument. Orlando has traveled well all season while Chicago hasn't played well at home lately. That is my argument.
But you go ahead and make a play based on a trade that has produced a loss to a last place team in its only effortComment -
the bulls don't need to win a championship tonight....
you are getting way off track with you're argument... why don't we just agree to disagree...Comment -
I wonder that everytime you postOriginally posted by pat vendittoComment -
It doesn't take great teams or great players to beat Orlando. The Magic also lost to the Pacers recently. So that argument is pointless. There is no lately with Chicago. If you don't think traded players gear up for their first home game, you don't know much about sports. I only make plays where I see value and I will continue to do so. Thanks for your concern.Comment -
Originally posted by pat venditto
Stuff like that?Comment -
That wasn't my argument, I was basing my argument off the fact that you can't just grab a few guys, and win games automatically, I was using that as my basis.Originally posted by Chi_archie
But, I'm fine agreeing to disagree with someone that is respectful and does not just try to insult everyone that disagrees with themComment -
ok I understand that argument.... but 1-2 players can make a huge impact? ask chris paul and NO
I'm not too sure about these new guys with the Bulls though
but I know that Gordon, Thomas, Deng, and even Noah have been playing very well lately.... they are all so up and down, but when they are healthy and playing well... they can be dangerous..heck even Hinrich had a great game the other day... this team has alot of weapons
and I don't think any other NBA team has covered the spread as well as the Bulls have the past 10 games or so...and all on the road...
Magic have shit the bed alot recently too....so it just seems very dangerous to pay the vig to take themComment -
Iwin go parlay the dodgers game 1 with the series price.Comment -
Originally posted by pat venditto
now that was a classic thread...
sitting in mcdonald's drive thru, having deeeeeep thoughts...
you gotta admit that is funny IwinnerComment -
Orlando is gonna kill the bulls they have been playing extremely well with rafer who has settled in ever so smoothly. The linemakes dont get that Orlando is back to being an elite team with rafer. They are f u cking this one up but not really with all you guys taking chicago just becuase you think that automatically the linemakers are right. They fu cked this one up. Just like they fu cked the orlando at charlotte one up. Orlando by 10+Comment -
did you guys take charlotte last week cuz the linemakers are right?Comment -
harlumwld doesnt know how to read and comprehend. This formula will win long term. Meaning beating the breakeven pct. at -110. This formula is not 100% winners you dolt.Comment -
well you dont always need to go with the formula especially if you feel that it wont win that nightComment -
bulls suck they lost to the undermanned pacers with no granger or dunleavyComment -
long term, I don't like to pay the books for the privledge to bet....
Harlum....we need you to start you're own thread and use the spreadsheet...its not often we find a man that knows more then all the linesmakers.....
thanks for coming to SBRComment -
dude PAT V sucks so much..... he shits on peoples decent picks and comes out with a dog and thinks his shit down smell.....
i cashed sick on boston yesterday sucka
**** THE BULLZ i got 5 units on the magic to pull a rabbit out of the bulls ass......and once again F pat VComment -
2/6/09 Orlando 102
Indiana 107Comment -
lolComment -
moneyfocker that wwas against indiana with anthony johnson as there starting pg rafer alston is a HUGE upgrade look at the last two games they played with rafer they are back to that elite level with him.Comment -
linemakers have it wrong todayComment -
Excuse me for asking this, but I know nothing about sports betting as Monkey so kindly pointed out to me in another thread, but will the fact that Chicago is 8-2 ATS in the last 10 games in any way have anything to do with the outcome of tonight's game?Originally posted by larrymiller
Since getting some new good players won't affect the outcome.
Just trying to learn here from people "in the know".Comment -
At this point, I don't think they will affect the outcome. Basketball is a "rhythm" game, and the longer a team plays together, the more of a rhythm they have. I think in the long run Chicago will benefit from the trade, but, not quite yet, and not against one of the elite teams.Originally posted by curious
If Orlando wasn't such a good team on the road, it would scare me. I just see this going against the Bulls.
I'm glad you decided to ask someone "in the know". Anything I can do to help who....uh....Curious
OH, and show up at the bash and say it to my face and we'll see what happens, I'll f*** you up.
See how ridiculous that sounds?Comment -
Going on blind faith here.
Magic -1.5.
Don't let us down, Peppermint Patty.Comment -
Are you simply a bitter old man or a senile old man, curious? Either way, you just look plain stupid with posts like these.Originally posted by curiousComment -
In case you didn't realize, he was trying to help you make a point.Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
Hence, Chicago being 8-2 ATS last ten games.Comment -
I'm just trying to learn from people in the know since you so kindly pointed out to me that I know nothing about sports betting. I am sorry if my questions seem stupid, but you said I don't know anything, so how would it be otherwise?Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerComment -
Originally posted by Chi_archie
good call curious....Comment
