Who here has been impacted by the Recession in a "Big Way"

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 03:57 PM

Recession has made me happier overall shit is cheaper and my job is safe so far at least, the rich ass con artists have been coming to light and people are finally starting to understand that rich people are not "smart and succesful" the majority are just crooks

007Fatty · 02-23-09, 03:57 PM

watch oprah=) she will show you lol

MarioBareseSP · 02-23-09, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

People are finally starting to understand that rich people are not "smart and succesful" the majority are just crooks

big joe 1212 · 02-23-09, 04:08 PM

all the losers on here were unemployed and broke when it started and are still unemployed and broke. So no one on here has been affected much!

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:11 PM

Recession= Gambler's best friend, if you lose money your just broke and we get used to and know how to adapt to the feeling, if we win even a few K we are like high rollers and everyone treats us like God's and want our buisiness either way we adapt easier and deal with it

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:12 PM

Market down 250 points today again this is going to be a long ride it appears, Obama making all the wrong moves but still think Mccain would have been worse

curious · 02-23-09, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Market down 250 points today again this is going to be a long ride it appears, Obama making all the wrong moves but still think Mccain would have been worse

What specific policies of McCain would have been worse?

curious · 02-23-09, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Market down 250 points today again this is going to be a long ride it appears, Obama making all the wrong moves but still think Mccain would have been worse

You gotta love these Obama apologists. The dude has shown himself to be COMPLETELY clueless and still they believe.

I'm wondering what it will take for them to admit that they backed a moron. 20% unemployment? 20% inflation rate? Totally valueless currency? Stock market at 1963 prices? Oh, wait, they will just blame all of that on Bush.

What am I thinking.

So, what will it take for an Obama apologist to admit the guy is totally ignorant and clueless?

Justin7 · 02-23-09, 04:18 PM

In the last 12 months, I've lost a fortune in the stock market. On the other hand, my cash - aka gambling bankroll - has continued its slow but sure rise.

The recession is a hassle though. Sportsbooks are making less money when the market is down, and are less tolerant of winners. I want the economy to be in full swing so I can beat them worse.

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:19 PM

No evidence Mccain would have been any better Curious never been an Obama supporter beyond the fact Mccain was a disaster waiting to happen

jjgold · 02-23-09, 04:22 PM

We are a hair away from a min depression

Gambles, drugs, sex and liquor thrive

smarmy · 02-23-09, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by curious

You gotta love these Obama apologists. The dude has shown himself to be COMPLETELY clueless and still they believe.

I'm wondering what it will take for them to admit that they backed a moron. 20% unemployment? 20% inflation rate? Totally valueless currency? Stock market at 1963 prices? Oh, wait, they will just blame all of that on Bush.

What am I thinking.

So, what will it take for an Obama apologist to admit the guy is totally ignorant and clueless?

So, you're saying that these problems weren't in the pipe before the primaries even got under way?? How can this possibly be put on Obama's shoulders? He walked into this problem. Is he doing the right things? We won't know for another couple years, at least. Do you really think that if Bush or Cheney were in office, we would be better off? Really?

curious · 02-23-09, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

No evidence Mccain would have been any better Curious never been an Obama supporter beyond the fact Mccain was a disaster waiting to happen

I didn't ask you what evidence you had that McCain would be better, your statement was that McCain would be much worse.

So, I ask again, what specific policies of McCain would have caused a disaster?

mmike032 · 02-23-09, 04:25 PM

recession is slowly bankrupcting myself and every other contractor I know

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:25 PM

Pretty Obvious Obama is not doing the right things other than pushing us towards disaster at this point and then he comes on TV and talks about cutting the Defecit? Yah right I think 50mpeople killed themselves in the last 5 hours because of the way shit is headed

smarmy · 02-23-09, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by curious

I didn't ask you what evidence you had that McCain would be better, your statement was that McCain would be much worse.

So, I ask again, what specific policies of McCain would have caused a disaster?

What specific policies of Obama caused these issues?

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by curious

I didn't ask you what evidence you had that McCain would be better, your statement was that McCain would be much worse.

So, I ask again, what specific policies of McCain would have caused a disaster?

Mccain supported the first stimulus and in all likelihood would have followed the same path as Obama, not to mention the vast amount of spending he would have continued on Iraq

MarioBareseSP · 02-23-09, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

We are a hair away from a min depression

Gambles, drugs, sex and liquor thrive

smarmy · 02-23-09, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Pretty Obvious Obama is not doing the right things other than pushing us towards disaster at this point and then he comes on TV and talks about cutting the Defecit? Yah right I think 50mpeople killed themselves in the last 5 hours because of the way shit is headed

What should he do to keep us away from disaster?

curious · 02-23-09, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by smarmy

So, you're saying that these problems weren't in the pipe before the primaries even got under way?? How can this possibly be put on Obama's shoulders? He walked into this problem. Is he doing the right things? We won't know for another couple years, at least. Do you really think that if Bush or Cheney were in office, we would be better off? Really?

Well, I don't support Bush or Cheney so I'm not sure why you are asking me to defend them.

You honestly believe that the "policies" that the Messiah is putting in place right now are the "right things"? You can say that with a straight face? We won't have to wait a few years to find out.

The problems could have been handled in a way that would mitigate the effects. It would have taken immediate, forceful action, but it could have been done. What we got instead was a "Yes we can, throw a huge pile of money at the problem and hope it goes away, otherwise all we will have left is pocket change".

You look at the people he put in important jobs and you can say with a straight face that these were good decisions.

Please tell me you are putting me on.

curious · 02-23-09, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Mccain supported the first stimulus and in all likelihood would have followed the same path as Obama, not to mention the vast amount of spending he would have continued on Iraq

As opposed to Obama who has cut all spending on Iraq?

So, let's see, your argument is that Obama is far better than McCain because McCain would have done all the same things that Obama is doing?

What are you, 12?

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by smarmy

What should he do to keep us away from disaster?

Disaster may be unavoidable but spending a Trillion dollars with no real plan or idea as to how to regain the loss is not the right policy I am 23 and my generationwill be footing the bill

flyingillini · 02-23-09, 04:30 PM

I have not been impacted one bit. I am taking advantage of these down times and investing in property around here. I am extending myself because it is only a win win situation around here in time to come. There are a lot of people that are doing bad in these times. I will tell you this much, there are plenty of people that that it has not made an impact on and everything is normal as can be.

ryanXL977 · 02-23-09, 04:31 PM

there is no other way to loosen credit markets than to inject capital into banks, and the economy and hope for the best
there is no other way to fix the mess that the bankers, and bush's illegal war in iraq, have caused

curious · 02-23-09, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by smarmy

What specific policies of Obama caused these issues?

I never said any of them did.

That isn't the point we are discussing. We are discussing what specific policies of Obama will FIX the problems instead of making them worse. So far you Obama apologists cannot come up with any.

Instead you talk about how much better Obama is than McCain without giving any reasons why.

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by curious

As opposed to Obama who has cut all spending on Iraq?

So, let's see, your argument is that Obama is far better than McCain because McCain would have done all the same things that Obama is doing?

What are you, 12?

Not yet he has not, you are a very bitter old man Curious and although I sympathize with your circumstances in life and what you have dealt with does not make you "right" or exempt from cluelessly and aggresively attacking others, every one of Mccains policies was based on misinformation and last ditch efforts

curious · 02-23-09, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

Disaster may be unavoidable but spending a Trillion dollars with no real plan or idea as to how to regain the loss is not the right policy I am 23 and my generationwill be footing the bill

And that isn't even the bad part. The bad part is that had there been a well thought out, cohesive PLAN the trillion dollars could have been spent on policies that would have WORKED, but now the money will be gone and the problems will be worse.

It is the opportunity cost that is going to kill us.

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:36 PM

I was a Ron Paul supporter curious and my opinion is he was the only candidate who truly had a shot to fix things our money is just paper now and has been for a long time, these problems are a cycle in economics and the money that both candidates wanted to spend has done nothing, Mccains advisors were more clueless than Obama's I am not an Obama apologist at all because I did not like either side I voted for the lesser of two evils

smarmy · 02-23-09, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by curious

Well, I don't support Bush or Cheney so I'm not sure why you are asking me to defend them.

You honestly believe that the "policies" that the Messiah is putting in place right now are the "right things"? You can say that with a straight face? We won't have to wait a few years to find out.

The problems could have been handled in a way that would mitigate the effects. It would have taken immediate, forceful action, but it could have been done. What we got instead was a "Yes we can, throw a huge pile of money at the problem and hope it goes away, otherwise all we will have left is pocket change".

You look at the people he put in important jobs and you can say with a straight face that these were good decisions.

Please tell me you are putting me on.

Do I think that they are the right ones? No. Do I think that they are the best of the choices? yes. I think that we are so far down the road that we have to wait for it to crash and rebuild. I don't have the answers, if I did, I would go to Washington and try to help. I really don't think that this problem isn't going to be fixed in Obama's first term. I just don't like it when people try to place blame on the new guy. This huge gaping hole of an economy was there when he took office. What's wrong with giving the guy a chance to make his mark.

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:48 PM

he is not to blame for the problems currently but he will be to blame for the problems that his early decisions will cause down the road

smarmy · 02-23-09, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by topgame85

he is not to blame for the problems currently but he will be to blame for the problems that his early decisions will cause down the road

What if they work out?

topgame85 · 02-23-09, 04:53 PM

IMO there is no feasible way that this set of thinking will lead to anything other than high taxes, inflation, more and more wasteful spending, and eventually a chance at socialism............. If by working out you mean turning the US into a socialist country that may work but I am not willing to sign on to that and in fact would be out of here in a flash

Dbldown11 · 02-23-09, 05:00 PM

CURIOUS I can tell you why Obama's plan is better than McCains...The plan that McCain proposed in the senate consisted of almost 100% tax cuts which is the same BS republicans always try to push...the problem with that is that it never works!!! Also McCain's tax cuts wouldnt have cost much less, but they would have put way less money into the economy, and not created any jobs.... Is that a reasonable answer?

smarmy · 02-23-09, 05:03 PM

I just hate people piling on without any substance. Let the dude do his job and see what happens. If everyone was tolerant of Bush for four years, they can give this guy the benefit of the doubt for six months at least. See where he's heading. Think about it. We are a capitalistic nation? Really? If we let the auto industry collapse instead of bailing it out, think of all the jobs that will be lost. We HAVE to bail them out in order to not destroy the economy even more. Same with the banks. In a capitalistic society, we should stand by and let them fail and see who rises up and fills the void. What they should do, is have the government buy these troubled companies for pennies on the thousands of dollars and keep them running until they can find someone who wants to buy them for a substantial profit. Put that money in the tills. Instant revenue. IMO.