Peyton Manning does not impress me

[ThaTopMoron]

They were allowed to do that in the 2006 AFCCG (played in January 2007), and that's how they beat the Patriots that year. I'm sure you don't remember this because you obviously don't know shit about football, but that's the game where they committed P.I. on every play but only the Pats were called for it. The NFL admitted the refs made a call against the Patriots enforcing a rule which didn't exist. Patriots were called for face guarding, but face guarding is legal. But your ignorance didn't know that, did you?

so what, that cancels out the 2003 AFCCG where the Pats were at home and GOT EVERY NON-CALL. Guess even is even then you dipstick.

But the Pats HAD A 21-3 LEAD in 2006... and couldn't hold onto it... so blame officials all you want but the Pats were NEVER in trouble in that game until they finally fell behind by a few points in the 4th quarter... while as in 2003 the Colts were playing from behind pretty much from the start and battling the horrible homer refs and the Pats mighty defense.

Oh... but you forgot to mention the game situations now didn't you?

You think I know shit about those games... I am a diehard and forget nothing.

[BriGuy]

so what, that cancels out the 2003 AFCCG where the Pats were at home and GOT EVERY NON-CALL. Guess even is even then you dipstick.

Hey, Mr. Moron, you're the one who brought bad calls into this discussion, like Indy never got a questionable call in any of those game. You're a typical Manning fan: Always blaming everyone in the world for all those games he lost. The refs, Reggie Wayne, the defense, Vanderjagt, etc, etc. I have facts and stats on my side. You have whining, what-ifs, gee whiz that was unlucky, unfair refs, etc, etc.

[ThaTopMoron]

Hey, Mr. Moron, you're the one who brought bad calls into this discussion, like Indy never got a questionable call in any of those game. You're a typical Manning fan: Always blaming everyone in the world for all those games he lost. The refs, Reggie Wayne, the defense, Vanderjagt, etc, etc. I have facts and stats on my side. You have whining, what-ifs, gee whiz that was unlucky, unfair refs, etc, etc.

So Vandershank didn't miss a game-winning fg attempt in OT @ Miami Dolphins in 2000 playoffs? Dolphins didn't go down and score to win after that shank?

So Vandershank didn't miss the most horrible un-clutch fg attempt in NFL history vs the Steelers in 2005 very late in a 18-21 game? Missed @ home in a dome for a FG under 50 yards? Great timing for his first ever miss @ home in a playoff game eh... game on the line?

My bad. But that's just 2 examples. The most blatant ones.

We all know how this goes.... no one will ever change their opinion.

Show me all the "huge" games that Edge or Marvin had in the playoffs... minus playoff blowouts vs the Denver Broncos in 03 and 04. Those 2 almost never showed up and helped out. It's not just Peyton that should be more known as a "regular season" king.

[BriGuy]

So Vandershank didn't miss a game-winning fg attempt in OT @ Miami Dolphins in 2000 playoffs? Dolphins didn't go down and score to win after that shank?

So Vandershank didn't miss the most horrible un-clutch fg attempt in NFL history vs the Steelers in 2005 very late in a 18-21 game? Missed @ home in a dome for a FG under 50 yards? Great timing for his first ever miss @ home in a playoff game eh... game on the line?

My bad. But that's just 2 examples. The most blatant ones.

Yup, everyone's fault but Manning's. Like I said I have facts and stats on my side. You have theory, conjecture, what-ifs and maybe's. Hey, if you want to play this game where we can magically erase 1 play from any game we want, then I can give Tom Brady 6 Super Bowls, including 1 undefeated season. So I own you whether we talk about facts or we talk about 1 play what-ifs.

[ThaTopMoron]

Yup, everyone's fault but Manning's. Like I said I have facts and stats on my side. You have theory, conjecture, what-ifs and maybe's. Hey, if you want to play this game where we can magically erase 1 play from any game we want, then I can give Tom Brady 6 Super Bowls, including 1 undefeated season. So I own you whether we talk about facts or we talk about 1 play what-ifs.

Turn Vinatieri into Vanderjagt and The Rams become a 2x champ and possibly dynasty and turn Brady into a 1-4 record in 5 Super Bowls. Since Vinny nailed game winners at the very end of 2 of 3 SB wins.

I can do it too pal... the other way...

back to the Buckeyes game, got no time for this. not tonight yo

[Fred The Hammer]

He left Tennessee and they won a national championship in their first year without him.


Briguy with his head up his ass again. How many times are you going to mention Tennessee? Tee Martin is prob selling cars (or crack) for all I know but I suppose he's better than PM too?The only point I've tried to make is that its a team game despite how important the QB is. The talent around you...the coaching....it all matters and it matters A TON!! People like briguy run out the same tired shit over and over but Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer will never be 10% of the QB that Dan Marino was just because they have a ring.

But hey briguy stats are on your side like you say so Dilfer 1 Marino 0.....Dilfer must be better. Its so simplistic and stupid that you might as well burn the money as bet it.

[rickbo528]

this is the point of the whole argument I believe. Wouldnr shock me if he choked it away one last time to some half ass AFC team

Peyton wasn't playing safety in the last minute vs Ravens and allowed a receiver to get behind him for a hail mary TD.

[rickbo528]

That Montana fraud did the same thing IMO.

Took a while but we all figured him out as well.

Everyone forgets that after "The Catch" by Dwight Clark vs Cowboys in 1981 NFC Championship game Dallas was in FG range when they fumbled. Did Montana cause the fumble?

[Fred The Hammer]

I'll give you just one more nice example.....Colts in Foxboro in 2010....PM & Brady's last matchup w/Indy vs NE. I didn't bother looking up the exact numbers so I might be a tiny bit off. I think NE won like 31-28 and PM threw a pick at the end (choker of course). PM had like 360 yds passing...4 tds and 3 picks while Brady threw for 180 yds and coasted cause he had the running game and the superior coaching behind him. Last year Brady wins again as Denver gives up over 500 yds.....PM brings them back just to see McGeehee fumble and drop a pass on 4th down that would've moved the chains. ITS A TEAM GAME.....you think Alabama's QB is better than Johnny Football??

[BriGuy]

He left Tennessee and they won a national championship in their first year without him.


Briguy with his head up his ass again. How many times are you going to mention Tennessee? Tee Martin is prob selling cars (or crack) for all I know but I suppose he's better than PM too?The only point I've tried to make is that its a team game despite how important the QB is. The talent around you...the coaching....it all matters and it matters A TON!! People like briguy run out the same tired shit over and over but Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer will never be 10% of the QB that Dan Marino was just because they have a ring.

But hey briguy stats are on your side like you say so Dilfer 1 Marino 0.....Dilfer must be better. Its so simplistic and stupid that you might as well burn the money as bet it.

Don't be idiotic (actually, I acknowledge that you probably can't help yourself). I never said that Super Bowl are the only stat that should matter, and you certainly have to gauge how much the QB contributed to the victory. But Super Bowls are certainly a factor. Buddy it ain't my fault your hero is known as a big time choker in big games. Don't get mad at me for simply pointing it out!

[BriGuy]

Peyton wasn't playing safety in the last minute vs Ravens and allowed a receiver to get behind him for a hail mary TD.

Maybe if he could have scored more than 21 offensive points in 5+ quarters of action, or if he hadn't thrown 2 INT's, it would not have gotten to the point where a breakdown in coverage cost them the game.

[Fred The Hammer]

Maybe if he could have scored more than 21 offensive points in 5+ quarters of action, or if he hadn't thrown 2 INT's, it would not have gotten to the point where a breakdown in coverage cost them the game.

You win man....PM is fkn terrible. I just wonder where you'll be if Denver stays healthy this year cause PM is about to rape the rest of the league. My guess is you'll be lone gone (and your money too) when he does the same as Elway and gets ring 2 & 3 w/Denver along with another mvp or 2. This is what happens when a supreme talent has one of the top teams around him.

[smitch124]

Ya he sucks, who's his backup?

[Fred The Hammer]

Don't be idiotic (actually, I acknowledge that you probably can't help yourself). I never said that Super Bowl are the only stat that should matter


You never said that BUT YOU MENTION TEE MARTINS TENNESSEE TEAM OVER AND OVER.....same FKN THING DUMSHIT


or lmao

the Tebow crowd. Hey Tebow won a playoff game....serves them right for bringing in Manning. My dog knows PM could play left handed and would be better than Tebow but these assclowns won't stop.

[ThaTopMoron]

I'll give you just one more nice example.....Colts in Foxboro in 2010....PM & Brady's last matchup w/Indy vs NE. I didn't bother looking up the exact numbers so I might be a tiny bit off. I think NE won like 31-28 and PM threw a pick at the end (choker of course). PM had like 360 yds passing...4 tds and 3 picks while Brady threw for 180 yds and coasted cause he had the running game and the superior coaching behind him. Last year Brady wins again as Denver gives up over 500 yds.....PM brings them back just to see McGeehee fumble and drop a pass on 4th down that would've moved the chains. ITS A TEAM GAME.....you think Alabama's QB is better than Johnny Football??

Team game yeah.

I was at the game in Indy in 2009 and got to see that game live in pretty decent seats. 4th and 2 game. ranked up there as #2 or #3 best ever Colts game during Peyton's era... right behind the 38-34 AFCCG win vs Pats and SB win vs Bears.

best game I've ever gone to, 17 pt 4th quarter comeback. Only Manning can pull that off. Forced Billy to go for it on his own 29 yard line while up 6 pts lol

[ThaTopMoron]

Don't be idiotic (actually, I acknowledge that you probably can't help yourself). I never said that Super Bowl are the only stat that should matter


You never said that BUT YOU MENTION TEE MARTINS TENNESSEE TEAM OVER AND OVER.....same FKN THING DUMSHIT


or lmao

the Tebow crowd. Hey Tebow won a playoff game....serves them right for bringing in Manning. My dog knows PM could play left handed and would be better than Tebow but these assclowns won't stop.

Who gives a fukkn flying shit what anyone did in college? TeBow won everything in college... is current Bama QB gonna go destroy the NFL and win 3 super bowls? I DON'T THINK SO.

QB's evolve from college to pro and either get better or get worse as time goes on... Peyton just keeps getting better, and not having 3 rings doesn't make that a false statement.

[Fred The Hammer]

Team game yeah.

I was at the game in Indy in 2009 and got to see that game live in pretty decent seats. 4th and 2 game. ranked up there as #2 or #3 best ever Colts game during Peyton's era... right behind the 38-34 AFCCG win vs Pats and SB win vs Bears.

best game I've ever gone to, 17 pt 4th quarter comeback. Only Manning can pull that off. Forced Billy to go for it on his own 29 yard line while up 6 pts lol

Down 21 to Tampa with 4 minutes left on Tony Dungys birthday vs the world champs.....yeah thats what a choker does. I'm in Indy and I guarantee we've watched more Colts football than the haters have. We've seen PM play over a decade for teams that couldn't run for 3rd/1 and couldn't stop the other guy from running on 3rd/1. That takes its toll on your scoring and time of possession....and it only gets worse in the playoffs. Even their SB year they gave up 350 rushing to Jax or whatever it was. PM never had the arm of a Rodgers or Elway but competed as hard as he could with everything he has and thats all fans can ask for.

[ThaTopMoron]

Down 21 to Tampa with 4 minutes left on Tony Dungys birthday vs the world champs.....yeah thats what a choker does. I'm in Indy and I guarantee we've watched more Colts football than the haters have. We've seen PM play over a decade for teams that couldn't run for 3rd/1 and couldn't stop the other guy from running on 3rd/1. That takes its toll on your scoring and time of possession....and it only gets worse in the playoffs. Even their SB year they gave up 350 rushing to Jax or whatever it was. PM never had the arm of a Rodgers or Elway but competed as hard as he could with everything he has and thats all fans can ask for.

Yep... take away Freeney injury in 2009 and that retarded onsides kick and give him a competent coach (Caldwell ) and healthy Vinny for that year and it could have been better with 2/2 Super Bowls. Wasn't to be tho. Doesn't take away tho.

Do ppl come here and rip on Warner for being 1 out of 3 in Super Bowls? no. He did what he could... too bad his d just lost the game late two times and made the huge stop the other time (vs Titans 1999).

[BigDofBA]

I understand Manning has failed in the post-season but he is still really good.

What QBs would you rather have?

Brady, Brees, Rodgers?????

I'll give you those three but there really isn't anyone else that's even debatable. Manning is easily top 5 in the league.

[GunShard]

Floyd Mayweather won money on Peyton Manning as well.

[t-wizzle]

Everyone of you missing the point.

This is nothing we haven't already seen from Manning.

I'll be impressed if he plays like this in the playoffs.

[BigDofBA]

Everyone of you missing the point.

This is nothing we haven't already seen from Manning.

I'll be impressed if he plays like this in the playoffs.

True. He has done this his whole career.

He really needs to win another ring.

[Speedy88]

Everyone of you missing the point.

This is nothing we haven't already seen from Manning.

I'll be impressed if he plays like this in the playoffs.

Yep we have seen this before. Not to this degree, but it honestly doesn't really surprise me with all the weapons they've added to the offense. Wake me up when Peyton is in the playoffs and lets see what he does. Normally I'd doubt him in the playoffs, but he could walk into the superbowl with how weak the AFC is.

[BigDofBA]

Yep we have seen this before. Not to this degree, but it honestly doesn't really surprise me with all the weapons they've added to the offense. Wake me up when Peyton is in the playoffs and lets see what he does. Normally I'd doubt him in the playoffs, but he could walk into the superbowl with how weak the AFC is.

Is Seattle ever going to lose a game?

They're damn good.

[C-Gold]

28/34. It is hard to do that against air. It is hard to do that on 7 on 7 with no pass rush.

He was 32/37 last week with a few WR drops. Again, it is hard to do that against air or with no live NFL pass rush.

He's the best. He's better than Rodgers and Brady and way better than Drew Brees.

[t-wizzle]

This NFL is different than ever before. The passing game is so favored it's not even funny.

What Manning is doing is great but keep perspective here.

[C-Gold]

Completing 87% of your passes against air is impressive, nevermind an NFL defense and pass rush.

[BriGuy]

This NFL is different than ever before. The passing game is so favored it's not even funny.

What Manning is doing is great but keep perspective here.

I think the scoring is getting out of hand. I'm not talking about Manning specifically, just the game - college and pro - in general.

[pavyracer]

Maybe if the Broncos score 72 points next week this guy will get impressed.

[BriGuy]

Don't be idiotic (actually, I acknowledge that you probably can't help yourself). I never said that Super Bowl are the only stat that should matter


You never said that BUT YOU MENTION TEE MARTINS TENNESSEE TEAM OVER AND OVER.....same FKN THING DUMSHIT

Yeah, I keep bringing it up because it obviously pisses you off so much! ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

[t-wizzle]

I think the scoring is getting out of hand. I'm not talking about Manning specifically, just the game - college and pro - in general.

Yea I mean scoring is fun to watch but I prefer a grind it out game.

The biggest thing with me is the style of passing. It's a short passing pitch and catch style of game these days. I like a football game where the running game sets up the big pass play. Short-passing is not fun to me.

[crustyme]

lakerboy/twizzler posts the same retaded shit every week.

[lakerboy]

28/34. It is hard to do that against air. It is hard to do that on 7 on 7 with no pass rush.

He was 32/37 last week with a few WR drops. Again, it is hard to do that against air or with no live NFL pass rush.

He's the best. He's better than Rodgers and Brady and way better than Drew Brees.

not a chance.

rodgers is the best qb in the nfl.

[C-Gold]

not a chance.

rodgers is the best qb in the nfl.

I don't think so. Rodgers holds onto the ball too long and led the NFL in sacks.

Manning can create his own offense. He knows the X's and O's better than any coordinators.

[t-wizzle]

lakerboy/twizzler posts the same retaded shit every week.

And you follow both around incessantly.