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  • Ganchrow
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    • 08-28-05
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    What Michael Phelps Should Have Said
    From Reason.com:

    What Michael Phelps Should Have Said

    Smoking pot shouldn't be a crime. Or the public's business.

    Radley Balko | February 2, 2009

    Dear America,

    I take it back. I don’t apologize.

    Because you know what? It’s none of your goddamned business. I work my ass off 10 months a year. It’s that hard work that gave you all those gooey feelings of patriotism last summer. If during my brief window of down time I want to relax, enjoy myself, and partake of a substance that’s a hell of a lot less bad for me than alcohol, tobacco, or, frankly, most of the prescription drugs most of you are taking, well, you can spare me the lecture.

    I put myself through hell. I make my body do things nature never really intended us to endure. All world-class athletes do. We do it because you love to watch us push ourselves as far as we can possibly go. Some of us get hurt. Sometimes permanently. You’re watching the Super Bowl tonight. You’re watching 300 pound men smash each while running at full speed, in full pads. You know what the average life expectancy of an NFL player is? Fifty-five. That’s about 20 years shorter than your average non-NFL player. Yet you watch. And cheer. And you jump up spill your beer when a linebacker lays out a wide receiver on a crossing route across the middle. The harder he gets hit, the louder and more enthusiastically you scream.

    Yet you all get bent out of shape when Ricky Williams, or I, or Josh Howard smoke a little dope to relax. Why? Because the idiots you’ve elected to make your laws have, without a shred of evidence, beat it into your head that smoking marijuana is something akin to drinking antifreeze, and done only by dirty hippies and sex offenders.

    You’ll have to pardon my cynicism. But I call bullshit. You don’t give a damn about my health. You just get a voyeuristic thrill from watching an elite athlete fall from grace–all the better if you get to exercise a little moral righteousness in the process. And it’s hypocritical righteousness at that, given that 40 percent of you have tried pot at least once in your lives.

    Here’s a crazy thought: If I can smoke a little dope and go on to win 14 Olympic gold medals, maybe pot smokers aren’t doomed to lives of couch surfing and video games, as our moronic government would have us believe. In fact, the list of successful pot smokers includes not just world class athletes like me, Howard, Williams, and others, it includes Nobel Prize winners, Pulitzer Prize winners, the last three U.S. presidents, several Supreme Court justices, and luminaries and success stories from all sectors of business and the arts, sciences, and humanities.

    So go ahead. Ban me from the next Olympics. Yank my endorsement deals. Stick your collective noses in the air and get all indignant on me. While you’re at it, keep arresting cancer and AIDS patients who dare to smoke the stuff because it deadens their pain, or enables them to eat. Keep sending in goon squads to kick down doors and shoot little old ladies, maim innocent toddlers, handcuff elderly post-polio patients to their beds at gunpoint, and slaughter the family pet.

    Tell you what. I’ll make you a deal. I’ll apologize for smoking pot when every politician who ever did drugs and then voted to uphold or strengthen the drug laws marches his ass off to the nearest federal prison to serve out the sentence he wants to impose on everyone else for committing the same crimes he committed. I’ll apologize when the sons, daughters, and nephews of powerful politicians who get caught possessing or dealing drugs in the frat house or prep school get the same treatment as the no-name, probably black kid caught on the corner or the front stoop doing the same thing.

    Until then, I for one will have none of it. I smoked pot. I liked it. I’ll probably do it again. I refuse to apologize for it, because by apologizing I help perpetuate this stupid lie, this idea that what someone puts into his own body on his own time is any of the government’s damned business. Or any of yours. I’m not going to bend over and allow myself to be propaganda for this wasteful, ridiculous, immoral war.

    Go ahead and tear me down if you like. But let’s see you rationalize in your next lame ONDCP commercial how the greatest motherfucking swimmer the world has ever seen...is also a proud pot smoker.

    Yours,

    Michael Phelps
  • pico
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    #2
    phelps should endorse hightimes
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    • Boner_18
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      #3
      That is ridiculous. I'm not saying pot shouldn't be decriminalized or even legalized. However, no matter how you treat pot usage, it is not something that is advisable for children/young teenagers. And an athlete who is looked up to by these same children has an obligation to make his (adult) choices in a responsible way.
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      • pico
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        #4
        phelps lost a lot of endorsement money. he is kind of stupid
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        • Shortstop
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          #5
          Phelps never has to a work another day in his life. He has more money than Jesus. You think he gives a fukk if loses endorsements?

          However, I do agree with Boner. He is a role model and now millions of kids will want to take hits from a bong.
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          • Mudcat
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            #6
            If he doesn't mind putting THC in his body, I wonder how he feels about steroids.
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            • ShamsWoof10
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              #7
              There are 2 CLEAR elements that make this unrealistic...

              A... The American public does NOT think for themselves...

              B... The American public = biggest pussies on earth... They are afraid of their own shadow now..

              Originally posted by Mudcat
              If he doesn't mind putting THC in his body, I wonder how he feels about steroids.
              I don't mind putting THC into my body but I wouldn't take steriods.. HELLOOOO? He won 8 gold medals he does NOT need steriods... Terrible logic.. Would you say the samething about alcohol..? I DOUBT IT!!!
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              • yostertoaster
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                • 08-24-08
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mudcat
                If he doesn't mind putting THC in his body, I wonder how he feels about steroids.
                you can not possibly compare thc and steroids.....really? and michael phelps was not glorifying weed in anyway ....im sure if it was up to him the pic would have never came out. but it is not his responsibility to not enjoy his life no matter how he see fit. those same kids that want to hit a bong now cause michael phelps did it are the same kids that would try pot for any other reason..dont blame him
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                • SBR Lou
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Boner_18
                  And an athlete who is looked up to by these same children has an obligation to make his (adult) choices in a responsible way.
                  I'm tired of the "think of the children" angle. George Carlin hated it too. He did nothing wrong, it was 'foolish' to have the picture taken considering the way celebrities are held on a pedestal, though. Nothing but scorn would come if it were leaked, and financially it could hurt him.

                  The problem is sports athletes should not be "role models" to the children you speak of, their parents should, those are the people that have the ability to set an impression every day of their children's lives. Not some freak athlete they saw win a bunch of medals and see on TV commercials from time to time..
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                  • ShamsWoof10
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                    #10
                    The REAL problem is this stupid a*s society...

                    Who's fault is it that athletes are put on that level..?

                    Where the f*ck are the parents..?

                    People like to blame others out of jealously or to pass the blame on from themselves to someone else...

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                    • Ganchrow
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mudcat
                      If he doesn't mind putting THC in his body, I wonder how he feels about steroids.
                      If you're going to get all slippery-slope on me, why not just go for the gusto and ask, "If he doesn't mind violating his nation's laws by smoking marijuana, I wonder how he feels about committing genocide?"
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                      • curious
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                        • 07-20-07
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                        #12
                        The marijuana prohibition has destroyed millions of families. MILLIONS. Smoking marijuana has destroyed NO ONE.

                        The human body has many cannabinoid receptors. Cannabis contains cannabinoids (DUH), namely cannabidiol. Cannabis and the human being are complementary in a way that almost no other plant is. This makes cannabis a kind of miracle drug. The known uses of cannabis for medical treatments dates back over 5,000 years.

                        The cannabinoid/canabidiol pairing is why marijuana is such a good pain killer, the pain is dulled WITHOUT sending the patient into never never land. If you have ever had to take a strong pain killer like Tylox or something equivalent, they knock your head off, marijuana does not do that.

                        Cannabis was not even banned because of its psychotropic properties. It was banned because hemp (cannabis sativa) competes so favorably with a wide variety of other products. The idiots that banned hemp, banned marijuana too because both plants are of the same family, cannabis. Even though these two varieties are very dissimilar in most ways including the effect of smoking it. Hemp, cannabis sativa, is very good for making a wide variety of products, the plant grows without needing fertilizer, pesticides, mulch, weeding, etc. Hemp was outlawed because it competes so favorably with a wide variety of other things. The psychotropic variety, cannabis indica, contains THC and high levels of cannabidiol and is a miracle drug.

                        So, please climb down off your high horse when you talk about protecting "the children".

                        Who is going to protect the children from the war on drugs? MILLIONS of young people have their lives ruined every year because of this stupid prohibition. On the other hand, smoking a little pot never ruined anyone's life.

                        And before the haters start flaming me as a pot head, I tried it once, didn't like it and never touched it again. I also dont' let anyone smoke it around me. Yes, it is possible to dislike something but not ruin everyone else's life over your dislike.
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                        • Tchocky
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                          #13
                          He should have done a Bill Clinton and said he didn't inhale.
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                          • fiveteamer
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                            #14
                            between it being legal and illegal, legal is the lesser of the evils.

                            But to try and pretend making this drug legal will simply solve all of society's issues is ignorant, because quite frankly, it will just create a whole new set of them.
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                            • curious
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by fiveteamer
                              between it being legal and illegal, legal is the lesser of the evils.

                              But to try and pretend making this drug legal will simply solve all of society's issues is ignorant, because quite frankly, it will just create a whole new set of them.
                              Huh? Cannabis is a medicine. Your calling it a drug doesn't make it one. Cannabis has a 5,000 year history as being used as a medicine for a wide variety of ailments.

                              The people who want to smoke marijuana already smoke it. So, usage won't go up.

                              The millions of people who are in prison on simple marijuana possession charges will be released. The vast majority of marijuana users are non violent.

                              Tens of billions of dollars now being wasted on this ridiculous war on our children will no longer be wasted.

                              The millions of people who have had their earning potential destroyed by having felony convictions on their records for simple possession will have their earning potential restored.

                              I just don't get what problems you are talking about.

                              The criminal element will be driven out of the marijuana business. Crime will come down as the price drops and the money motive is taken out of the equation.

                              So what specific problems will legalizing cannabis create?
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                              • Crayzee
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                                #16
                                he should have said he was smoking tobacco in the bong
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                                • Crayzee
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Shortstop
                                  Phelps never has to a work another day in his life. He has more money than Jesus. You think he gives a fukk if loses endorsements?

                                  However, I do agree with Boner. He is a role model and now millions of kids will want to take hits from a bong.
                                  isnt the endorsements why he never has to work?
                                  how else does a swimmer make money
                                  a pro baseball, basket, tennis, golf etc player could say fvk the endorsements but i dont think a swimmer can
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                                  • seaborneq
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                                    #18
                                    "I look goofy for a reason, and Lindsey Lohan, I am ready for you now. We have more in common than I thought. Don't stand in my way mommy." Signed Michael "High Blow Dopeboy" Phelps
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                                    • Killer_Demo
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                                      #19
                                      now wheres all the "pot is for losers" posters at? we all know pot is virtually harmless
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                                      • jjgold
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                                        #20
                                        most pot users graduate to heroine or coke

                                        It is proven

                                        Phelps is a jerkoff and we all know this

                                        Maybe pot made him better and relaxed his muscles and avoided injury

                                        Maybe he should lose all his metals

                                        What else has he taken?
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                                        • The General
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                                          #21
                                          Non issue. Smoking pot, other than a govt view of illegal, is nothing. No factor and widely over blown criticism. I don't smoke it, but have no problems with anyone who does. Everclear can be bought over counter. The argument is ludicrous.
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                                          • c-rok
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                                            #22
                                            ****ing beautiful. I would have became a Phelps fan in a second if he really said that.

                                            Smoking weed is nothing. 13 year old kids smoke weed whether you want to believe it or not. It also does nothing terrible to them. I personally won't care if when I have a kid he chooses to smoke pot. I wouldn't want him smoking cigs, but pot isn't a big deal.

                                            Also don't understand why it's anybody elses business what Phelps puts into his body? I don't care if the guy was doing cocaine, it's his ****ing choice what he spends his money on and what he chooses to put into his body. Steroids should also be legal in every sport. If people want to shrivel up their dick to be a better athlete all the power to them.

                                            If I'm Phelps and people say kids will do pot now because he does it I tell them I don't give a ****. He can't control what other people do and if some kids are that impressionable too damn bad. They shouldn't be so weak minded. People are going to smoke pot. I know many kids who had their parents SELL pot to them. When I was dating a girl when I was 15 her dad asked me to be a drug dealer for him at the school. I didn't accept because cops always hung around at the school, but I don't have a problem with that scenario whereas others here will say "oh my god that is terrible". That is just how others choose to live their life and it's theirs to live.

                                            Society is ****ed up IMO.
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                                            • donjuan
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                                              #23
                                              That is ridiculous. I'm not saying pot shouldn't be decriminalized or even legalized. However, no matter how you treat pot usage, it is not something that is advisable for children/young teenagers. And an athlete who is looked up to by these same children has an obligation to make his (adult) choices in a responsible way.
                                              So if he had a picture with a beer in his hand instead of a pipe, would you make this same moronic post?
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                                              • Boner_18
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                                                #24
                                                Would advocates in this thread want "under the influence" laws/regs for pot smokers? Curious, you know what you are talking about and are clearly aware that what cannaboids do is contract your synapsis making the physiological process of synapsis firing take longer. I.e:

                                                Hand feels pain wants to tell brain ---> fires synapsis which takes longer than usual ---> "dulled" (in fact less magnified) sense of pain

                                                Physiologically, scientifically pot slows you down. Would you want there to be rules/laws about people "under the influence" of MJ? Drivers? Airline Pilots? Surgeons?

                                                My point is this. MJ might be as harmless (or even less so) than alcohol or any other substance that effects the physiological processes that make you and me human. Yet IT DOES HAVE EFFECTS. I believe that a rational ADULT should have the choice whether he wants to feel those effects in medical, hell even in recreational circumstances. This is the same reason I don't think booze is good for children (say below 15 or something). But what I don't believe is that we (yeah I mean we as in pot smokers) should glorify substance use, nor should it be demonized.

                                                There is also a fundamental disagreement here as to the best method for effecting change when it comes to marijuana legislation. I prefer change from within. I suspect most of you prefer the civil disobedience method...
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                                                • Boner_18
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by donjuan
                                                  So if he had a picture with a beer in his hand instead of a pipe, would you make this same moronic post?
                                                  A beer in his hand no. Keg stand, yes.
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                                                  • daggerkobe
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                                                    #26
                                                    He said exactly what he needed to say. This too shall pass like his DUI arrest few years ago.

                                                    American public is very forgiving. Look at Andy Pettitte and Clemens. One of them apologized and has been forgiven. The other is facing prison and ridicule.

                                                    The worst thing he couldve said is in the above article.
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                                                    • donjuan
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                                                      #27
                                                      A beer in his hand no. Keg stand, yes.
                                                      Pipe=beer in hand. Gravity bong rips=keg stand.
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                                                      • curious
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by jjgold
                                                        most pot users graduate to heroine or coke
                                                        Totally non-factual statement. The opposite is actually true.
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                                                        • curious
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Boner_18
                                                          Would advocates in this thread want "under the influence" laws/regs for pot smokers? Curious, you know what you are talking about and are clearly aware that what cannaboids do is contract your synapsis making the physiological process of synapsis firing take longer. I.e:

                                                          Hand feels pain wants to tell brain ---> fires synapsis which takes longer than usual ---> "dulled" (in fact less magnified) sense of pain

                                                          Physiologically, scientifically pot slows you down. Would you want there to be rules/laws about people "under the influence" of MJ? Drivers? Airline Pilots? Surgeons?

                                                          My point is this. MJ might be as harmless (or even less so) than alcohol or any other substance that effects the physiological processes that make you and me human. Yet IT DOES HAVE EFFECTS. I believe that a rational ADULT should have the choice whether he wants to feel those effects in medical, hell even in recreational circumstances. This is the same reason I don't think booze is good for children (say below 15 or something). But what I don't believe is that we (yeah I mean we as in pot smokers) should glorify substance use, nor should it be demonized.

                                                          There is also a fundamental disagreement here as to the best method for effecting change when it comes to marijuana legislation. I prefer change from within. I suspect most of you prefer the civil disobedience method...
                                                          I said it has effects. That is what psychotropic means. Yes, it is an excellent painkiller for the reasons you stated.

                                                          Under the influence is under the influence. I don't care if you are drinking booze, sniffing glue, shooting up heroin, smoking pot, listening to an Obama speech.... We already have plenty of under the influence laws, not sure we need more. I think you are implying that I am saying that marijuana smoking should be a free for all, anyplace by anyone at anytime. I think that you are making quite a leap from what I said there.

                                                          Yes, minors should not have access to psychotropic substances. My point is don't ruin their life over it. Again you are implying that I want open marijuana bazaars in the schools, on playgrounds, etc. Never said that. Don't think that.

                                                          I love how people on this forum take a reasonable, rational statement and then apply it in the wildest extremes possible.

                                                          My point is that marijuana is not dangerous and prohibition should be abolished. Like all psychotropic substances it needs certain controls. We have many substances which are legal, yet have controls on them. Prohibition is destroying too many lives and taking up too much money for zero added benefit. Prohibition needs to go.
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                                                          • Boner_18
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by donjuan
                                                            Pipe=beer in hand. Gravity bong rips=keg stand.
                                                            Trust me, I know the difference between every type of smoking apparatus (and that was not just a pipe, looked like a nice JBD to me) and that is not the degree of delineation I am drawing. Perhaps I was not clear.

                                                            What differentiates the two, in my "moronic" eyes, is the acceptability and inference that can be drawn by the audience that (inevitably) is watching. People (again people with impressionable minds) see what he is doing and automatically draw an inference. Because of the way we have insulated alcohol from criticism in this society a young teenager would see a photo of Phelps w/ a beer and would think, adults get to choose whether or not to drink, Phelps has chosen to drink. A photo with a bong draws the inference that Phelps has chosen to break the law by smoking an illicit drug.

                                                            I don't agree with the differentiation of the two, but denying that they are, for whatever reason, is ludicrous. All I am saying is that a response of "fcuk you, I smoke pot and love it" is inappropriate.
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                                                            • smarmy
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                                                              #31
                                                              If I were phelps, i would find the person who sold the picture to the media and sue them for the endorsement money he lost. You think that person didn't get paid for that picture. he was just there trying to enjoy himself with some college kids and one of them snaps a picture, sells it to the media and puts a dark spot on everything phelps does for the rest of his life. For smoking some pot. I know that people have sued for a lot less and won. Besides, who is to say that he was actually smoking pot. that picture simply has a glass tube up to his face. Just saying, in court, that would be very shaky.
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                                                              • Boner_18
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by curious
                                                                My point is that marijuana is not dangerous and prohibition should be abolished. Like all psychotropic substances it needs certain controls. We have many substances which are legal, yet have controls on them. Prohibition is destroying too many lives and taking up too much money for zero added benefit. Prohibition needs to go.
                                                                I didn't mean to take anything you said out of context, I agree with the above caption, and I think I have stated so much. I didn't state the questions or hypotheticals as though they were your words, more like thoughts I was having looking for a response on. People on the forum take what you say and automatically attribute it to something they said...

                                                                That doesn't mean that repeal shouldn't be done carefully so that impressionable minds realize what it is to enjoy a psychotropic responsibly.
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                                                                • losturmarbles
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                  most pot users graduate to heroine or coke

                                                                  It is proven

                                                                  Phelps is a jerkoff and we all know this

                                                                  Maybe pot made him better and relaxed his muscles and avoided injury

                                                                  Maybe he should lose all his metals

                                                                  What else has he taken?
                                                                  where is it proven?

                                                                  bottom line is this:
                                                                  once you become an adult, you make your own decisions on what you do.
                                                                  if you want to smoke pot, get drunk, do some blow, do some speed, do some meth, do some smack, pop pills, whatever, it should be your fukin business.

                                                                  as long as youre not endangering others (e.g. driving while under the influence, supervising children, stealing to support your habit, etc.) then they should all be legal.

                                                                  and those that violate another person by endangering them or stealing from them should be dealt with severely. no more slaps on the wrist for dui's dwi's.
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                                                                  • smarmy
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                    most pot users graduate to heroine or coke

                                                                    It is proven

                                                                    Phelps is a jerkoff and we all know this

                                                                    Maybe pot made him better and relaxed his muscles and avoided injury

                                                                    Maybe he should lose all his metals

                                                                    What else has he taken?
                                                                    I think you will find that most people who do "the pot" started off smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol. So, by that way of thinking they should be labeled as, "gateway drugs", and be illegal as well. But then the government couldn't get their slice of the pie.
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                                                                    • Data
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      What Michael Phelps Should Have Said

                                                                      Smoking pot shouldn't be a crime. Or the public's business.

                                                                      Radley Balko
                                                                      I support the cause but just a little disappointed by the author. Apparently, he overlooked another opportunity which is not less likely to happen, yet will make the same impact on public opinion.

                                                                      What Radley Balko Should Have Done

                                                                      Become the most decorated Olympic gold medalist.
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