Someone explain this wording of this prop to me

[trixtrix]

The first down in the game will be

1st down - pass play -185
1st down - run play +155

are we talking the first offensive play from scrimmage?

or how the FIRST first down of the game will be converted?

[raydog]

the money says that the bet is how the first-first down is picked up. i wouldnt think there would be anyway possible for a book to offer positive money on the first play of the game being a rush.

[Mudcat]

Just looking at the wording, if it is any kind of reputable book, it means the first offensive play from scrimmage.

If it was the latter it would have to say, as you suggested, the first first down of the game.

[cassiusclay]

the wager is on how the first 1st down is accomplished, pass or run.

[sickler]

What raydog said.

It's poorly worded.

[LT Profits]

Wording seems obvious to me - First play from scrimmage.

But as raydog alluded to, odds look kind of funky.

[AMBlai01]

I would definitely call them for some clarification.....that is a bit vague.

[LT Profits]

the wager is on how the first 1st down is accomplished, pass or run.

No, then it would say "first first down".

[cassiusclay]

Super Bowl XLIII – The first 1st down in the game will happen on a Pass or Run play?
Wager is official once either team records a first down.
Passing Play (First 1st Down)

-200

Rushing Play (First 1st Down)

+160

[cassiusclay]

me thinks trix forgot a 1st in his question

[AMBlai01]

Cassius...the problem is that the way he said it was worded was not the way you just said..

[Mudcat]

Isn't it great when books post props and you don't know what they're talking about?

Fabulous.

Kind of like that baseball prop about "runs after 5 innings." Does it mean the score at the end of the 5th or the runs from the 6th on?

Who knows? Not me. Lay your money down.

[LT Profits]

Super Bowl XLIII – The first 1st down in the game will happen on a Pass or Run play?
Wager is official once either team records a first down.
Passing Play (First 1st Down)

-200

Rushing Play (First 1st Down)

+160

Right that wording is perfect. The wording used by the OP would mean first play from scrimmage. If he inadvertantly left out a "first", fine. If not, then he should contact book.

[raydog]

call whatever book and tell them you see a problem. if they say they didnt word it wrong, i would place a max bet on rush and not bring it up anywhere again

[cassiusclay]

Cassius...the problem is that the way he said it was worded was not the way you just said..

you are right...

[cassiusclay]

trix, let us know what book this prop is from, i think i smell free money...

[Mudcat]

Some naive attitudes here, thinking you can just place max bets on what the prop looks to be - and expect the book to honor it, when their actual intention may be different.

Plenty of books would just say, "No, we meant first first down and that's how we're grading it and we don't care how SBR feels about it."

Don't bet on something you are not completely clear on.

[LT Profits]

Best case scenario would be a No Action, but it is highly doubtful they would grade it a winner based on the actual wording vs. the intended meaning. Just like the books have the power to void a bet on a bad line.

[cassiusclay]

Some naive attitudes here, thinking you can just place max bets on what the prop looks to be - and expect the book to honor it, when their actual intention may be different.

Plenty of books would just say, "No, we meant first first down and that's how we're grading it and we don't care how SBR feels about it."

Don't bet on something you are not completely clear on.

Pretty sure the wager is on the 1st 1st down. Based on how he worded the wager the book would not pay, you are correct.

[trixtrix]

this exact verbiage i posted (w/out the First FIRST DOWN) came c/p from the granddaddy of all books, bookmaker.

for those of you who thinks you can just call them up and and ask them for the correct explanation, you haven't dealt w/ bkmkr customer service before heh

cs live chat told me its first play from scrimmage, i suggested that its 50c off market price for first scrimmage indicated otherwise.. he suggested 99% of the other books are wrong, i suggested he become a taxi driver at del rey

[Mudcat]

There you go then. I guess you can safely have at it.

Run @ +155 for the first play from scrimmage seems intuitively like a good bet to me. But what do I know?

I don't even see it being offered at the moment.