Will 20 Mil a year Cole Hamels lose 20 games?

[daneblazer]

Cole Hamels lost his 13th game of the year tonight. Only 7 more to go to reach the elusive 20th loss club. Will Horrible Cole Hamels reach it and earn 1 mil per loss?

[InTheDrink]

horrible

[Chi_archie]

i'd set the Line at

Hamels to lose 20 games or more +1150

[Jefferey13]

i'd set the Line at

Hamels to lose 20 games or more +1150

Wow, 11X odds to lose 7 more games? I'd take it.

[Louisvillekid1]

HE really hasn't pitched that bad..

I've watched nearly every start, he's trys to be perfect because when he gives up 1 run the game is over...

[Sick_in_the_Head]

i'd set the Line at

Hamels to lose 20 games or more +1150

I'd take that.

[seaborneq]

Phils would sit hamels befoore he lostaanywhere near 20 games. No way it happens

[Chi_archie]

he has about 11-12 starts left.

3-4 will be no decisions

I don't see him going 1-7 in his decisions

the offensive support will regress to the mean

[icancount2one]

the offensive support will regress to the mean

That's not how it works.

Also, Phils fans have been waiting for "hard luck" Hamels' run support to "regress to the mean" his entire career.

[EmpireMaker]

the guy has a 2.57 ERA for his last 5 starts...... the Phillies blow

[EmpireMaker]

Verlander has a 4.68 ERA for his last 5 starts

[BennyBigNuts]

Phillies won't let him lose 20 games, so don't count on it.
If he has a shot at it late in the season you can expect some type of injury to show up or they plain openly just shut him down. They are irrelevant in the standings.
A good over/under on Hamels total losses is 18.

[petey5]

I'll say 17 losses for Hamels this year.

[dlunc3]

Cole Hamels lost his 13th game of the year tonight. Only 7 more to go to reach the elusive 20th loss club. Will Horrible Cole Hamels reach it and earn 1 mil per loss?

Horrible? Do you watch baseball? Regardless of w/l record, he has been an above average pitcher this season. Definitely not performing up to his contrAct, but definitely not "horrible".

[LT Profits]

Hamels has actually been good this year since a bad first month or so, W/L record means nothing. The guy has a 3.58 FIP and 3.69 xFIP

[pavyracer]

Hamels has actually been good this year since a bad first month or so, W/L record means nothing. The guy has a 3.58 FIP and 3.69 xFIP

I don't care what the stats say. The guy is on pace for 20 losses. Apparently his teammates do not appreciate him getting 20 million a year and do not play hard when he pitches.

[LT Profits]

I don't care what the stats say. The guy is on pace for 20 losses. Apparently his teammates do not appreciate him getting 20 million a year and do not play hard when he pitches.

That's not the point, I was addressing the guy calling Hamels "horrible", his stats are that of a winning pitcher. He is dong is part, the rest of the team isn't. Whether that is due to not playing hard for him, I obviously can't say for sure but I seriously doubt that;s the case. If it were, guys would no longer be on the team.

[pavyracer]

People putting too much emphasis on stats instead of wins. Can you name the last team that made the playoffs having great stats but not enough wins to win the division?

[daneblazer]

Hamels has actually been good this year since a bad first month or so, W/L record means nothing. The guy has a 3.58 FIP and 3.69 xFIP

W/L means nothing yet I don't see many 5-18 pitchers with sparkling era's winning the Cy. Stats like Quality Starts were partly created and pushed by agents to squeeze more money out of mediocre pitchers. I know he's not "horrible" compared to other guys like Wade Davis, though for 144 mil he is...and Horrible Hamels does have a nice ring to it doesn't it?

You can throw out all the fancy stats you want, bottom line is the guy is 4-13 with an era over 4.00 that was much higher until recently. Dude is getting 144 mil, 20 mil a year, and outside his last few starts has been mediocre at best.

[LT Profits]

People putting too much emphasis on stats instead of wins. Can you name the last team that made the playoffs having great stats but not enough wins to win the division?

This is a gambling forum, when you evaluate the chances of how a pitcher will do in his next game, W/L means absolutely nothing and should be ignored. Your point about playoff teams is totally irrelevant.

[pavyracer]

This is a gambling forum, when you evaluate the chances of how a pitcher will do in his next game, W/L means absolutely nothing and should be ignored. Your point about playoff teams is totally irrelevant.

You lose money in the long run if you keep backing pitchers with a good ERA but shitty winning record. Like backing the 4-13 guy with an ERA of 3.62 over the 14-3 guy with an ERA of 4.11. There is a reason the guy with the worse ERA has 14 wins. It's called teammates who can drive and score runs.

[LT Profits]

You lose money in the long run if you keep backing pitchers with a good ERA but shitty winning record. Like backing the 4-13 guy with an ERA of 3.62 over the 14-3 guy with an ERA of 4.11. There is a reason the guy with the worse ERA has 14 wins. It's called teammates who can drive and score runs.

ERA and WHIP are almost as bad as W/L. Sabremetric stats are where it's at. But let's not sabotage this thread by going totally off topic.

[daneblazer]

Anyone fading horrible hamels tonight?

[InTheDrink]

Anyone fading horrible hamels tonight?

horrible

unrale

[Smoke]

unrale

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[Chi_archie]

won't lose tonight.

Hamels to lose 20 or more games line moves to +1290

[innovation]

Guy gets little help. Something like 12 starts with 2 earned or less. It's obvious where the blame lies here.

[flocko76]

another no decision.

[Chi_archie]

won't lose tonight.

Hamels to lose 20 or more games line moves to +1290

+6750

[Chi_archie]

8-14

[InTheDrink]

6-3 2.68 era since july 4th

sounds pretty horrible

[Mike Huntertz]

8-14

20 Mill a year.........not a lot of value!

[daneblazer]

This poor guy just finds ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

[jjgold]

8 out of every 10 baseball players are over paid

[t-wizzle]

He's a very good pitcher on a terrible baseball team.