I'm not really a fan of popularity contests, but I do need to know something

[The General]

Which posters here are good handicappers, keep good records, keep it real, and most importantly will not break us if we follow blindly. There has to be 20 guys here like that.

Thank you

[Tsoprano]

[Nicky Santoro]

I would say, BIGBOYDAN.. he hits about 90% of his games, no joke..

oh wait a second, i am talking about 90% losers, not winners.. sorry, i thought you meant who were the worst cappers.

bigboydan is by far the worst capper in forum history. as long as you never follow him, you should be ok.. dont EVER follow this guy, or you will be eating in a soup kitchen very soon. I AM SERIOUS.. DON'T EVER FOLLOW THIS GUY..

The guy is a born loser.

[SlickFazzer]

listen to everyone, follow no one.

[The General]

Since I started checking this place out, I have noticed even Dan is hard on himself. Has it always been that way or is he just in a rut and due to get back on track?

[VegasDave]

20 guys? You'll be lucky to find 5.

Most of the sharps don't post their picks, and many of those that do post picks fudge their records.

I meet most of your criteria...

keep good records - check
keep it real - check
will not break you if you follow me blindly - check (though I won't make you money either... but I always finish around 51 or 52 %, so I shouldn't break you, just make you flounder around even and only lose a little )

The criteria I don't meet yet is "good handicapper"... I'm better than bad, but not quite good yet. But I'm working really hard on it and hope to get there eventually.

Guys like Nicky would argue that there is no such thing as a good handicapper, since every game is a coinflip; and only line-shopping sharps prevail in the end.

[rm18]

nicky says it is a coinflip, then he says he can hit 60% he is crazy

[Nicky Santoro]

Since I started checking this place out, I have noticed even Dan is hard on himself. Has it always been that way or is he just in a rut and due to get back on track?

Yeah, danny is been on a bad losing streak.. A LIFETIME LOSING STREAK.. the guy has never been a lucky gambler.. since i met him 5 yrs ago, i think he's had 1 winning week. the guy is a lifetime 29% winner, NO JOKE.. i am dead serious.

[LT Profits]

I still haven't gone a full season without turning a profit in any sport since joining SBR over two years ago. I now need to turn NBA and CBB around to keep my streak alive.

[ChuteBoxe]

Off the top of my head...

Diogee
rjt721
Tsoprano
Nicky Santoro
trytrytry
myself
HedgeHog
Vegas Dave
LT Profits

[Nicky Santoro]

20 guys? You'll be lucky to find 5.

Guys like Nicky would argue that there is no such thing as a good handicapper, since every game is a coinflip; and only line-shopping sharps prevail in the end.

i'm not going to get into this again. .i am starting to sound like a broken tape recorder. any gambler will tell you that you can't make money just handicapping games like that, unless you have an edge on the lines.. why doesn't justin or ganch come in here ever and just state what i am saying is true. or at least let me see them come in here and say i am wrong.. i doubt they will say this.

dave, when you finally have enough money saved up to bet, go start handicapping NFL and NCAAF and let me know how that turns out.

[The General]

Good post Dave. Many thanks.

I appreciate the list, chutebox. I may be interested in tracking a 12 pack and make some money.

[mmike032]

not many that I can think of.
LT profits- keeps acurate records, in a slump right now with B-ball though
Vegas Dave - ditto what he said about himself, its all true
Pags - great at college football, dont think he keeps a record though.
Cocknocker - people claim he is an NBA guru, but I dont know. seems average to me. he does do good write-ups and has good info on games he bets. doesnt keep a record though.

theres plenty more but I havent seen anyone with an above average records, if they keep records.
alot of guys hit 60% for a week or 2 and then think they are Gods gift to betting and soon fall back to earth after they toot their own horn.

[AgainstAllOdds]

General,

I dont know you from a hole in the wall but I dont mind giving my input on select subjects...heres my opinion...

I would say follow Diogee,Tsoprano Nicky, Pags, Pavy, Myself and Rickhas has some good picks every once in a while. He seems to pick better when he makes a vid about it.

Who to fade...Patty venditto, crazylou, Dav, JJGold and some of the new comers who post from time to time.

Value guys - Durito, Justin, Ganch, DonJuan...are all pretty solid but dont post plays too much.

[VegasDave]

i'm not going to get into this again. .i am starting to sound like a broken tape recorder. any gambler will tell you that you can't make money just handicapping games like that, unless you have an edge on the lines.. why doesn't justin or ganch come in here ever and just state what i am saying is true. or at least let me see them come in here and say i am wrong.. i doubt they will say this.

dave, when you finally have enough money saved up to bet, go start handicapping NFL and NCAAF and let me know how that turns out.

We aren't getting into anything! I wasn't being sarcastic or trying to start anything in my post. I was just pointing out the truth; that you don't believe handicapping comes down to anything more than luck, and that line-shopping and finding the edge in numbers is the only way to make money in this business.

[L2Gunz]

spreadsheets dont lie...check it out for yourself
vvvvv

[VegasDave]

Pags - great at college football, dont think he keeps a record though.

Pags does keep a record (superstitiously he only posted it at the end of his threads, but you can pull them up and go check it out), and it was always fair and accurate, and he is an outstanding college capper.

The only reason I didn't mention him is because there is a lot of controversy surrounding some of the point spreads he gets, for example he takes a team -2.5 and everyone swears that it never dipped under 3 anywhere, and I didn't want to start a big pags debate here in this thread.

But in my personal opinion, the guy is fair and honest and a great college capper.

[The General]

Very good feedback and for me, a way to get and know some of the guys around here better.

[FreeFall]

spreadsheets dont lie...check it out for yourself
vvvvv

nice sample size.

[VegasDave]

Good post Dave. Many thanks.

I appreciate the list, chutebox. I may be interested in tracking a 12 pack and make some money.

Sure thing

Oh and sorry to toot my own horn, but as you can see in my signature, my "Philosophy Picks" went 25 - 11 this year, and I'm 90 - 53 - 5 overall on those since I started using them in 2005. So feel free to ignore everything else I cap and just check those out next season

[L2Gunz]

thanks..i've been picking and choosing my picks b/c i dont want to lose money every week...its not fun losing

[mmike032]

Pags does keep a record (superstitiously he only posted it at the end of his threads, but you can pull them up and go check it out), and it was always fair and accurate, and he is an outstanding college capper.

The only reason I didn't mention him is because there is a lot of controversy surrounding some of the point spreads he gets, for example he takes a team -2.5 and everyone swears that it never dipped under 3 anywhere, and I didn't want to start a big pags debate here in this thread.

But in my personal opinion, the guy is fair and honest and a great college capper.

yea, he seems about as honest as they come to me. and great at what he does.

[The General]

If the same pags I have known on forum for awhile, I'll give him a nod also as meeting the above description.

[Tsoprano]

Guys like Nicky would argue that there is no such thing as a good handicapper, since every game is a coinflip; and only line-shopping sharps prevail in the end.

He's right though. Once you actually bet with real money, you'll get buried looking at games the way you do. You feel no pressure right now, and yet ended up with a .500 record, imagine when you start betting actual money...you'll go nuts switching your opinions and leans. I'm not trying to throw you in the mud, as I think your a solid guy.

Bookies laugh at guys that put that much effort into breaking games down trying to pick winners. "Vegas" knows way more than VegasDave, and pretty much all of us.

You know more than most guys here when it comes to team stats, players, etc....but at the end of this long season...you would of done better working at McDonalds for minimum wage a couple hours a week. And that's not your fault, that's just the way it is. I don't study too deep, otherwise I would be buried too.

Who can predict a touchdown getting wrongfully taken away, a bs foul, a worthless shot down the stretch, players who don't show up, players who play out of their minds, personal issues, and the 10,000 other factors that come into play when messing up what was "supposed to happen on paper"? No one.

Now, I know that takes "the fun out of it" when it comes to discussion, videos, records, etc....but when you have real money on these events and you get screwed by things like that after all your hard work and hard earned money, it definitely isn't fun.

[diogee]

I am not followable...I am a certified action junkie with 15-60 plays per night.

[Nicky Santoro]

He's right though. Once you actually bet with real money, you'll get buried looking at games the way you do. You feel no pressure right now, and yet ended up with a .500 record, imagine when you start betting actual money...you'll go nuts switching your opinions and leans. I'm not trying to throw you in the mud, as I think your a solid guy.

Bookies laugh at guys that put that much effort into breaking games down trying to pick winners. "Vegas" knows way more than VegasDave, and pretty much all of us.

You know more than most guys here when it comes to team stats, players, etc....but at the end of this long season...you would of done better working at McDonalds for minimum wage a couple hours a week. And that's not your fault, that's just the way it is. I don't study too deep, otherwise I would be buried too.

Who can predict a touchdown getting wrongfully taken away, a bs foul, a worthless shot down the stretch, players who don't show up, players who play out of their minds, personal issues, and the 10,000 other factors that come into play when messing up what was "supposed to happen on paper"? No one.

Now, I know that takes "the fun out of it" when it comes to discussion, videos, records, etc....but when you have real money on these events and you get screwed by things like that after all your hard work and hard earned money, it definitely isn't fun.

tony, that was your best post ever here at sbr. you were right on the money. i swear i had to read your name 4 times to make sure it was you.. your posts are usually 2 words long, or just a smiley icon.. but that was long and good..

btw, he would have made way more working at mcdonald's than this. even though he ended up over .500 on both leagues, he would have lost a lot in college and lost a bit in NFL.. at least at mcdonald's he would have made some money ,not lose a lot like this year in gambling. and he did good by hitting over 50%. imagine if he hit 47% and bet 500 a game? he would have lost a house.

[VegasDave]

He's right though. Once you actually bet with real money, you'll get buried looking at games the way you do. You feel no pressure right now, and yet ended up with a .500 record, imagine when you start betting actual money...you'll go nuts switching your opinions and leans. I'm not trying to throw you in the mud, as I think your a solid guy.

This is the only thing that annoys me, when people assume I'm going to learn a thing or two when I "start" betting real money.

I've bet and lost 1000s of dollars over the years. I've had jobs that have paid halfway decently and I've come into money here and there that I have gambled, won some, lost some. People seem to wrongly assume that because I don't currently bet, I don't know what its like to lose money and put tons of effort into capping only to go 2 - 8 and get destroyed. Trust me, I do know.

The way I cap now and the games I select I would 100% be betting money on. You think it was fun for me hitting 69% winners on my best bets this year and having nothing to show for it? I'm trying my best to get better at this so when I do have money on the line, I can make money. I never say "oh well I'll pick this side, hell, it isn't real money!" what would you gain from doing that?

I've already said a million times I agree with Nicky and know that he is right. But I'd rather cap games and try to pick winners. Just randomly betting a side that you really have no opinion on, why don't you just go play roulette or slot machines then if you don't care enough to try and make an educated guess?

(Hopefully this doesn't come off as attacking, I think your a good guy too, I'm just responding. )

[Casperwaits]

I am still new to the SBR forum biz, but I think to find a good capper on here is someone that puts out a spreadsheet regularly, and might post a thread every once in a while about a wrinkle in a game that the average bettor may not see. TSoprano is at the front of my cerebral cortex on who I consider a good capper.

[VegasDave]

I am still new to the SBR forum biz, but I think to find a good capper on here is someone that puts out a spreadsheet regularly, and might post a thread every once in a while about a wrinkle in a game that the average bettor may not see. TSoprano is at the front of my cerebral cortex on who I consider a good capper.

If TSoprano didn't have any favorite teams, I'm pretty sure he'd be picking 67% winners ATS

[Tsoprano]

This is the only thing that annoys me, when people assume I'm going to learn a thing or two when I "start" betting real money.

I've bet and lost 1000s of dollars over the years. I've had jobs that have paid halfway decently and I've come into money here and there that I have gambled, won some, lost some. People seem to wrongly assume that because I don't currently bet, I don't know what its like to lose money and put tons of effort into capping only to go 2 - 8 and get destroyed. Trust me, I do know.

The way I cap now and the games I select I would 100% be betting money on. You think it was fun for me hitting 69% winners on my best bets this year and having nothing to show for it? I'm trying my best to get better at this so when I do have money on the line, I can make money. I never say "oh well I'll pick this side, hell, it isn't real money!" what would you gain from doing that?

I've already said a million times I agree with Nicky and know that he is right. But I'd rather cap games and try to pick winners. Just randomly betting a side that you really have no opinion on, why don't you just go play roulette or slot machines then if you don't care enough to try and make an educated guess?

(Hopefully this doesn't come off as attacking, I think your a good guy too, I'm just responding. )

I hope you really do beat the bookmaker when you get back into the game, as I do with everyone else here (even the pricks). We're all in this together.

But yes, it doesn't seem as fun to pick randomly or let hunches take over when submitting tickets offshore, but the other method of writing essays about all the events isn't a successful method either. The thing I respect about you, you really love sports. A lot of guys here wouldn't watch this shit if their life depended on it, but betting creates a sense of sports being worth the time and actually makes it entertaining for them. You have a different shirt/jersey every video you do, so your doing what you love when you post those videos and make your predictions. But i'm sure most of us also love money, and don't like losing it.

If you don't mind me asking, what do want to do for a living?

By the looks of it here, you seem well qualified for positions in multiple fields. Your honest, well educated, you don't look for trouble with people, you put a ton of effort into what you do, you are very consistent, etc...I just hope you put that energy into areas that actually make sense and reward you for those qualities. Otherwise it's a lot of wasted talent putting those efforts into such a screwy thing called sports gambling. This is a multibillion dollar industry, with millions of people out there trying to win. It has been around for thousands of years, they make sure that no one for the most part can win from the player's side. I'm not telling you not to gamble, there's no way we can do that (), but i'd take a little more of a recreational approach.

[Tsoprano]

tony, that was your best post ever here at sbr. you were right on the money. i swear i had to read your name 4 times to make sure it was you.. your posts are usually 2 words long, or just a smiley icon.. but that was long and good..

Thanks Nicky.

I am still new to the SBR forum biz, but I think to find a good capper on here is someone that puts out a spreadsheet regularly, and might post a thread every once in a while about a wrinkle in a game that the average bettor may not see. TSoprano is at the front of my cerebral cortex on who I consider a good capper.

Appreciate it buddy.

If TSoprano didn't have any favorite teams, I'm pretty sure he'd be picking 67% winners ATS

[VegasDave]

I hope you really do beat the bookmaker when you get back into the game, as I do with everyone else here (even the pricks). We're all in this together.

But yes, it doesn't seem as fun to pick randomly or let hunches take over when submitting tickets offshore, but the other method of writing essays about all the events isn't a successful method either. The thing I respect about you, you really love sports. A lot of guys here wouldn't watch this shit if their life depended on it, but betting creates a sense of sports being worth the time and actually makes it entertaining for them. You have a different shirt/jersey every video you do, so your doing what you love when you post those videos and make your predictions. But i'm sure most of us also love money, and don't like losing it.

Thank you for that. I do love sports with a passion, and thats the main reason I got into sports gambling. I love breaking down games, but there isn't much challenge to breaking down games where one team is substantially better then the other (in college especially). Enter point spreads, the great equalizer, and it is genuinely fun to me to try and solve the puzzle. Granted, its a fvcked up puzzle when you factor in bounces, refs, and the 1000s of other intangibles in actual gameday... its a 10,000 piece puzzle and 100s or 1000s of pieces are often missing. But I still like trying to put it together.

If you don't mind me asking, what do want to do for a living?

By the looks of it here, you seem well qualified for positions in multiple fields. Your honest, well educated, you don't look for trouble with people, you put a ton of effort into what you do, you are very consistent, etc...I just hope you put that energy into areas that actually make sense and reward you for those qualities. Otherwise it's a lot of wasted talent putting those efforts into such a screwy thing called sports gambling. This is a multibillion dollar industry, with millions of people out there trying to win. It has been around for thousands of years, they make sure that no one for the most part can win from the player's side. I'm not telling you not to gamble, there's no way we can do that (), but i'd take a little more of a recreational approach.

I've always wanted to be a sports broadcaster of some sort, thats why I put so much time into videos and on my website podcasts and other things like that. But any job involving sports is right up my alley.

I actually appreciate you looking out for me and pointing out that I should only do this recreationally; and I agree whole heartedly. When I first got interested in the game, I had delusions of grandeur of someday becoming a professional gambler. I think most of my initial posts here at SBR way back when were "How do I become a pro gambler" type of stupid stuff. But I've come to realize the reality of the situation; that with allll my sports knowledge and allll the hours I put in, I can barely scrape together a 51% record ATS. Even if I do improve, the amount of time and effort needed to eek out a profit, like you and Nicky said, might as well work at McDonalds.

But I love capping and I love sports, so as a recreational thing to do with extra money I (eventually) have lying around, I think its as good a hobby as any!

(Wow that was long winded)

[roasthawg]

I keep an accurate record of my picks and post all of my plays in the best bets threads for each sport. All lines are -110 at 1 unit apiece and I update my record daily. I think this is the best way to make sure your record is accurate although you'd have to go back through every single best bets thread to check for yourself.

[VegasDave]

Damn I knew I was having dejavu, I did a video on this less then a month ago;

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/128277-video-nicky-we-know-its-coinflip.html

Funny how short our memory spans all are, we all argue the same things over and over again

[pavyracer]

Fishhead is the best capper. He beat the slots for $500,000 in Des Moines, IA.