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  • konck
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    • 10-17-06
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    #1
    Nevada went legal Poker what about Florida? Any info
    Nevada went legal I have watched its building slowly but you can see the play is more realistic. There up to about 120 players in the nightly ( they need more tournies for it to grow) Ok so how about Florida I mean the door is open kick it in we are listed as one of the 4 states involved. Anyone have any info?
  • konck
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    • GUMMO77
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      I hope they open online rooms here. I read somewhere that they banned Club WPT from FL, whatever that is, so does that help or hurt FL getting online poker?
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      • Mikeyanks23
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        • 11-30-10
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        #4
        Yes, there are no laws in Florida that specifically make internet poker illegal in Florida, although they do ban gambling in general within the state. Since there is no US law regarding online poker, it is legal to play at online poker sites in Florida.
        Florida's first known casino was opened in 1888 at the Ponce de Leon Hotel; it was illegal but wealthy people were anxious to belong to the membership-only Bacchus Club to play roulette and craps. Other gambling houses popped up around the state, and the 1920s brought a numbers betting game from Cuban immigrants. Miami and other cities were overrun with gambling houses and illegal horse tracks, and organized crime made its way to Florida courtesy of Al Capone the following decade. Horse racing was legalized in 1931, though the governor vetoed it. Slot machines were legalized four years later as a way to recover from the Depression. Opposition to all gambling came in strong waves from conservatives and became stronger into the 1960s and 1970s.

        Florida Online Poker FAQ

        Q. How could Internet cafes affect online poker's chances of becoming legal?
        A. If the government chooses to outlaw Internet cafes in Florida, they would have to ban the Internet games that attract patrons and outline regulations that disallow certain types of games, which would likely include all types of gambling. Online poker would be in that group of banned games, so any subsequent effort to legalize online poker in Florida would have an extra hurdle to jump.
        Q. Wouldn't legal online poker sites help Indian casinos attract more traffic?
        A. That is very possible. Online poker offerings could give incentives for online players to visit land-based casinos, thus increasing revenue. In addition, legal online poker sites in Florida could grow the player base to the point that even more tournaments would travel from around the world to host events there.
        Q. Wasn't a member of Congress from Florida involved in the federal legislation push?
        A. Representative Jim McDermott was a key player in one of the first post-UIGEA bills to regulate online gambling on the federal level. He worked with members of Congress like Barney Frank to devise a bill that would accompany the primary bill and represent the taxation portion of the idea. He was and remains a big supporter of online gambling and online poker rooms in Florida and in the United States as a whole.
        Q. Will Nevada's new online poker regulations inspire Florida?
        A. This is not likely, as Florida's legislators and voters tend to be more conservative and averse to any kind of gambling, unlike Nevada, which has embraced it. Florida online poker supporters may look to Florida for positive results in order to bolster their case, but it will probably not convert any opponents.
        Florida Poker Legislation

        Another round of legislation attempted to legalize various forms of gambling, but animal rights groups helped defeat race track bills and various organizations did the same to casinos. It wasn't until 2004 that slot machines were approved for Miami-Dade and Broward counties by a public vote. Meanwhile, the Federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act was passed in the 1980s, and the Seminoles were keen on a chain of casinos (two Hard Rock casinos and five other resorts), which benefited from the slot machine bill in 2004. The state has grown to embrace the Indian casinos, which generate more than $2.2 billion combined with the lottery and pari-mutuels. The legal gambling age is also 18, lower than in most states except New York.
        Outside of the Indian casinos, lottery, and racetracks, however, Florida is not open to gambling. Laws still outlaw keno, roulette, faro, and any game of cards "for money or other thing of value," which are misdemeanors. In addition, a separate section says the same of wagering on "the result of any trial or contest of skill, speed or power or endurance of human or beast." In this case, even if poker were classified as a game of skill, it would be illegal, which doesn't bode well for future Florida online poker legalization. Card games played for any profit are illegal, though social gambling for fun is accepted.
        Regulated Online Poker Sites in Florida?

        Online poker in Florida is not expressly legal, but the game found a fighter in State Representative Joseph Abruzzo. He first introduced a bill (HB 77) to regulate intrastate online poker in Florida in 2010, and Abruzzo pushed for a debate on the bill in the State Assembly in March 2011 in the hopes of regulating internet poker by July 1 of that year. The state was to receive 10 percent of the revenue, which would stream many millions of dollars into the Florida economy. However, the bill died in April 2011.
        The Seminoles are one of the major obstacles for any Florida online poker bill to be passed, as they control much of the legalized gambling in the state, but online poker alone has the best chance of passing. Abruzzo vowed to try again. That effort was thwarted in 2012 by serious discussions about Internet sweepstakes cafes, and any legislation to prohibit all Internet gambling would obviously hurt the chances for legal Florida online poker sites even more. To contact your legislators about these issues, visit this page: Florida Legislators.
        Florida Gambling

        According to the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Florida has five operating casinos with racetracks and slot machines, as well as card games. More than 2,600 people are employed by those casinos, which generate more than $140 million per year in gaming tax revenue for state education needs.
        Of all of the Seminole-run casinos in Florida, the Seminole Hard Rock in Hollywood has been the most attractive to poker players who want to attend their local tournaments as well as events on the World Poker Tour. Many Florida-based players got their start in the Hard Rock poker room and help bring more events to that location.

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        • konck
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 10-17-06
          • 12554

          #5
          Originally posted by Mikeyanks23
          Yes, there are no laws in Florida that specifically make internet poker illegal in Florida, although they do ban gambling in general within the state. Since there is no US law regarding online poker, it is legal to play at online poker sites in Florida.
          Florida's first known casino was opened in 1888 at the Ponce de Leon Hotel; it was illegal but wealthy people were anxious to belong to the membership-only Bacchus Club to play roulette and craps. Other gambling houses popped up around the state, and the 1920s brought a numbers betting game from Cuban immigrants. Miami and other cities were overrun with gambling houses and illegal horse tracks, and organized crime made its way to Florida courtesy of Al Capone the following decade. Horse racing was legalized in 1931, though the governor vetoed it. Slot machines were legalized four years later as a way to recover from the Depression. Opposition to all gambling came in strong waves from conservatives and became stronger into the 1960s and 1970s.

          Florida Online Poker FAQ

          Q. How could Internet cafes affect online poker's chances of becoming legal?
          A. If the government chooses to outlaw Internet cafes in Florida, they would have to ban the Internet games that attract patrons and outline regulations that disallow certain types of games, which would likely include all types of gambling. Online poker would be in that group of banned games, so any subsequent effort to legalize online poker in Florida would have an extra hurdle to jump.
          Q. Wouldn't legal online poker sites help Indian casinos attract more traffic?
          A. That is very possible. Online poker offerings could give incentives for online players to visit land-based casinos, thus increasing revenue. In addition, legal online poker sites in Florida could grow the player base to the point that even more tournaments would travel from around the world to host events there.
          Q. Wasn't a member of Congress from Florida involved in the federal legislation push?
          A. Representative Jim McDermott was a key player in one of the first post-UIGEA bills to regulate online gambling on the federal level. He worked with members of Congress like Barney Frank to devise a bill that would accompany the primary bill and represent the taxation portion of the idea. He was and remains a big supporter of online gambling and online poker rooms in Florida and in the United States as a whole.
          Q. Will Nevada's new online poker regulations inspire Florida?
          A. This is not likely, as Florida's legislators and voters tend to be more conservative and averse to any kind of gambling, unlike Nevada, which has embraced it. Florida online poker supporters may look to Florida for positive results in order to bolster their case, but it will probably not convert any opponents.
          Florida Poker Legislation

          Another round of legislation attempted to legalize various forms of gambling, but animal rights groups helped defeat race track bills and various organizations did the same to casinos. It wasn't until 2004 that slot machines were approved for Miami-Dade and Broward counties by a public vote. Meanwhile, the Federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act was passed in the 1980s, and the Seminoles were keen on a chain of casinos (two Hard Rock casinos and five other resorts), which benefited from the slot machine bill in 2004. The state has grown to embrace the Indian casinos, which generate more than $2.2 billion combined with the lottery and pari-mutuels. The legal gambling age is also 18, lower than in most states except New York.
          Outside of the Indian casinos, lottery, and racetracks, however, Florida is not open to gambling. Laws still outlaw keno, roulette, faro, and any game of cards "for money or other thing of value," which are misdemeanors. In addition, a separate section says the same of wagering on "the result of any trial or contest of skill, speed or power or endurance of human or beast." In this case, even if poker were classified as a game of skill, it would be illegal, which doesn't bode well for future Florida online poker legalization. Card games played for any profit are illegal, though social gambling for fun is accepted.
          Regulated Online Poker Sites in Florida?

          Online poker in Florida is not expressly legal, but the game found a fighter in State Representative Joseph Abruzzo. He first introduced a bill (HB 77) to regulate intrastate online poker in Florida in 2010, and Abruzzo pushed for a debate on the bill in the State Assembly in March 2011 in the hopes of regulating internet poker by July 1 of that year. The state was to receive 10 percent of the revenue, which would stream many millions of dollars into the Florida economy. However, the bill died in April 2011.
          The Seminoles are one of the major obstacles for any Florida online poker bill to be passed, as they control much of the legalized gambling in the state, but online poker alone has the best chance of passing. Abruzzo vowed to try again. That effort was thwarted in 2012 by serious discussions about Internet sweepstakes cafes, and any legislation to prohibit all Internet gambling would obviously hurt the chances for legal Florida online poker sites even more. To contact your legislators about these issues, visit this page: Florida Legislators.
          Florida Gambling

          According to the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation, Florida has five operating casinos with racetracks and slot machines, as well as card games. More than 2,600 people are employed by those casinos, which generate more than $140 million per year in gaming tax revenue for state education needs.
          Of all of the Seminole-run casinos in Florida, the Seminole Hard Rock in Hollywood has been the most attractive to poker players who want to attend their local tournaments as well as events on the World Poker Tour. Many Florida-based players got their start in the Hard Rock poker room and help bring more events to that location.

          Mike that article was from 2010 it really doesnt deal with this new legal poker. I know we applied and got licensed to be one of the 4 states they havent set a time table up to be in operation like Nevada just went. That article talks about sites like bodog etc which would have zero to do with legal poker run by a legit company probably one of the casino's or racetracks
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          • konck
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            • 10-17-06
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            #6
            I know 3 of the 4 states involved were Nevada New Jersey and Florida I cant remember the 4th maybe Minny
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            • Mikeyanks23
              SBR MVP
              • 11-30-10
              • 4517

              #7
              Originally posted by konck
              Mike that article was from 2010 it really doesnt deal with this new legal poker. I know we applied and got licensed to be one of the 4 states they havent set a time table up to be in operation like Nevada just went. That article talks about sites like bodog etc which would have zero to do with legal poker run by a legit company probably one of the casino's or racetracks
              oh my bad. I was reading the one from CT that was current and just clicked on FL for ya. Figured it was too
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              • MoneyLineDawg
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                • 01-01-09
                • 13253

                #8
                @ this even being an issue

                So sad we can't play fukkin online poker with our own money

                But go gamble your money away at the tracks, casinos, on scratch offs and state run lottery rip-offs.....even fukkin bingo halls
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                • BennyBigNuts
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                  • 04-16-12
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by konck
                  [ATTACH]56982[/ATTACH]Saw this guy kicking ass in the Vegas poker
                  Reppin the SBR name baby

                  Been doing pretty good on there so far. Happy to be back in the game.
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                  • GUMMO77
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                    • 08-23-10
                    • 9294

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg
                    @ this even being an issue

                    So sad we can't play fukkin online poker with our own money

                    But go gamble your money away at the tracks, casinos, on scratch offs and state run lottery rip-offs.....even fukkin bingo halls
                    Even crazier is that most online poker players WOULD be willing to pay taxes on their winnings to insure regulations and accountability of internet poker rooms, but the Government is saying no, we don't need that extra $$$ you are willing to give us.
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                    • daneblazer
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                      • 09-14-08
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg
                      @ this even being an issue

                      So sad we can't play fukkin online poker with our own money

                      But go gamble your money away at the tracks, casinos, on scratch offs and state run lottery rip-offs.....even fukkin bingo halls
                      Don't forget the stock market. I think it was Georgia who had fukkin Keno as a part of their lottery. How the hell is that legal and poker isn't.
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                      • konck
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                        • 10-17-06
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                        #12
                        Well its here in Nevada so I dont think Florida will be far behind ...at least they shouldnt be
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                        • daneblazer
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                          #13
                          Club WPT left because Florida banned internet cafes. I guess it was a byproduct of the language of the bill.

                          Florida's session is over. Nothing was passed so there won't likely be online poker anytime soon.

                          The Native American tribes have a lot of pull in Florida when it comes to gambling & poker. Nothing will get passed without them having some say in it.
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                          • GUMMO77
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by daneblazer
                            Club WPT left because Florida banned internet cafes. I guess it was a byproduct of the language of the bill.

                            Florida's session is over. Nothing was passed so there won't likely be online poker anytime soon.

                            The Native American tribes have a lot of pull in Florida when it comes to gambling & poker. Nothing will get passed without them having some say in it.

                            If online poker is going to be a state to state decision, why would Native American tribes that have lot of sway in some states ever allow it?
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                            • konck
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                              • 10-17-06
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by GUMMO77
                              If online poker is going to be a state to state decision, why would Native American tribes that have lot of sway in some states ever allow it?
                              Nah they wont have a say in this ....already in hot water for the agreement they made with the Gov. Im thinking Race tracks would be the sponsering sites and the available cash out area.
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                              • downsouth
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                                • 01-13-11
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                                #16
                                Do florida poker rooms still have roughly $100 max buyins or what not. I havent been a lot but remember the past times I have stopped in one I believe they had a max buyin that was pretty small and said it had something to do with state law.
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                                • daneblazer
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by downsouth
                                  Do florida poker rooms still have roughly $100 max buyins or what not. I havent been a lot but remember the past times I have stopped in one I believe they had a max buyin that was pretty small and said it had something to do with state law.
                                  No they did away with that a few years ago. That was a pretty ridiculous law hahaha. 5/10 games with a $100 max buy in. People who sat at the game all day could have 5k built up vs a bunch of people who could only buy in with $100.
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                                  • BennyBigNuts
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by daneblazer
                                    Club WPT left because Florida banned internet cafes. I guess it was a byproduct of the language of the bill.

                                    Florida's session is over. Nothing was passed so there won't likely be online poker anytime soon.

                                    The Native American tribes have a lot of pull in Florida when it comes to gambling & poker. Nothing will get passed without them having some say in it.

                                    Not even close. Online poker is already labeled legal in every state sir. Indians have ZERO say in the matter. Nevada is just the first site running. Cali,Fl, NJ will all be up and running very shortly. Online poker will be available in every single state within a year or 2. Guaranteed.
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                                    • daneblazer
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                                      • 09-14-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BennyBigNuts
                                      Not even close. Online poker is already labeled legal in every state sir. Indians have ZERO say in the matter. Nevada is just the first site running. Cali,Fl, NJ will all be up and running very shortly. Online poker will be available in every single state within a year or 2. Guaranteed.
                                      I never said it wouldn't get passed, I said the tribes will have a say, and they do, and (though implied) won't pass easily without their approval. They've eliminated internet cafes and senior arcades because it cuts into their slot revenue. They've fought the expansion of a casino in northern Florida...ironically owned by the Creek Indians. They've already shown they don't want competition cutting into their revenue. Who does? The tribes will have a part if/when internet poker is passed in Florida.

                                      That's not to say they would even be opposed to it...but they would want their hand in that cookie jar. The Seminoles have long been wanting an online casino.
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                                      • BennyBigNuts
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by daneblazer
                                        I never said it wouldn't get passed, I said the tribes will have a say, and they do, and (though implied) won't pass easily without their approval. They've eliminated internet cafes and senior arcades because it cuts into their slot revenue. They've fought the expansion of a casino in northern Florida...ironically owned by the Creek Indians. They've already shown they don't want competition cutting into their revenue. Who does? The tribes will have a part if/when internet poker is passed in Florida.

                                        That's not to say they would even be opposed to it...but they would want their hand in that cookie jar. The Seminoles have long been wanting an online casino.

                                        They have ZERO say in this matter. Period.
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                                        • sweethook
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