Can Harness Racing be beat?

[SlickFazzer]

I don't know the first thing about the trotters....

[fiveteamer]

I'm sure there are a select few who do well, but this shit is beyond crooked.

[Richkas]

I don't know the first thing about the trotters....

no

TRUE HARDCORE degenerates bet this shit.

[cobra_king]

Yes

[Richkas]

Yes

[CaneDawg]

better chance of beating the greyhounds

i cannot stand harness racing

[wtf]

love horse racing very much

but i dont understand how this form of racing seems to survive

cause it is at night predominately? and caters to racing fiends that need a fix during the evening?

it seems to be dying a slow death though, but will survive in some quarters i imagine

[fiveteamer]

You put $100 on the nsoe of a horse and you throw the entire win pool out of whack at most harness tracks.

[CaneDawg]

off stride

total crap

[fiveteamer]

off stride

total crap

[joeyp1222]

dont forget tyo check my picks for today in the winners circle

[mtneer1212]

I actually prefer this form of racing -- horses race at the same 1 mile distance, race every week, and are usually very formful. With that said, if you are a large bettor who like to hammer a pool, you must stick to tracks with large handle. These tracks would be Meadowlands, Northfield, Balmoral/Hawthorne,and Woodbine. Medium handle tracks are Yonkers, Meadows, Freehold, Dover, Maywood, and Hoosier.

In my opinion, the best way to make money in harness racing is through Pick 3/4s at large tracks, and exactas at medium tracks.

[gordon gekko]

[pirate]

Any jackass can run...harness racing is by far the best horseracing sport to watch and handicap. The horses are much more formfull and if you learn the strategies behind the drivers actions you have a big advantage over the average bettor....The downside is the large takeout by the track and state and the fact that smaller tracks have such a low handle that a big bet will change the odds...still I enjoy it so much more than any other form of racing

[CaneDawg]

classic

[konck]

I owned a few standard bred and raced them at Yonkers Meadowlands Roosevelt before it closed. It's a great game from the inside theres a lot of moves a trainer or owner can make. But trainers-owners and jockeys all scam against each other sometimes. Still it was probably the most fun time in my life I hope someday to own a few again. I had a chance to buy horse named Mud Hole back in the late 80's for 8k which was nothing really but my trainer didnt see anything in this 3 year old trotter they dont really develope at that age though......Bottom line he goes on to win a big race at the meadowland 650k purse. The stable kid who worked him begged me to buy him to.

[jjgold]

Harness easier to beat than flats, they run more to form

[konck]

A quick tip of harness is look a lot at the closing 1/4 most of these horses show form by closing effort> you can hit a lot of bombers that way.

[cobra_king]

Just because your degenerate, credit wagering shill ass can't do something doesn't mean it can't be done. You'd think you'd have figured that out by now!

Happy New Year!

[coldhardfacts]

In the long run, no - mainly because of the rake and the fixes.

But if you were in a must win situation, and had to double your money or else, you'd be much better off loading up on an even money lock at the trotters than on any thoroughbred or sports game.

[JW Cash]

Yes

Long Live the Whalers...winners of the coveted AVCO Cup !

[JohnnyNight]

thoroughbreds -

[Casperwaits]

I bet harness and thoroughbreds regularly. There are only a handful of harness tracks I will bet though. Meadowlands and Woodbine are the two I trust implicitly. Other tracks like Yonkers and Monticello, I have heard very scary stories about from jockeys and horse owners. I have had modest success at Meadowlands just because I have noticed a decent amount of longshots hit the board there. I tend to play a 4 horse exacta box, throw the favorite out and find value in 4 horses in the race. granted I don't win more than I lose with this "system" but it keeps me in the game for the evening, and I have walked out with decent sums of money by playing this way.

[Horsesensei]

bet 123 at dover hits twice a night usually

[doubleds]

Yes and because of one man...Anthony Morgan the greatest jive racer there is. Rivals Russell Baze for most choke jobs on a chalk possible.

[doubleds]

Dover and Northfield always have 123 hitting.

[daoilman]

Great Thread

I really like this thread, the vid clip is priceless, and the input from the posters is very good for the most part.

[davefast007]

My name is david xxxxxxxx- google me- "davidxxxxxxxx-toronto star"
and ive been betting woodbine harness races for the last 2 years.....
it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to make money.....
I am one of the GTA's top 10 handicappers Re woodbine ...and i still have trouble beating the track because the racing ley is so high on certain wagers...win 4 raised up to 23% exotics are 17% triactors and win 3's are above20% so its tough...
the only way you can beat them is to watch the replays of evryhorse on the card....per night which takes about 2.25 hrs a day...then you have to be at the track for the warmups 4 minutes pre race then you need a wagering console to bet last second...to cheat the gate of your "speed" horses...if you are a harness professional by trade please inquire to my mailbox as we can exchange information....

[davefast007]

Wise words....

i actually prefer this form of racing -- horses race at the same 1 mile distance, race every week, and are usually very formful. With that said, if you are a large bettor who like to hammer a pool, you must stick to tracks with large handle. These tracks would be meadowlands, northfield, balmoral/hawthorne,and woodbine. Medium handle tracks are yonkers, meadows, freehold, dover, maywood, and hoosier.

In my opinion, the best way to make money in harness racing is through pick 3/4s at large tracks, and exactas at medium tracks.

are you a serious player...?? I am a woodbine harness professional only...

[konck]

I bet rolling pk 3's at monticello about everyday I do ok.

[topgame85]

I bet harness and thoroughbreds regularly. There are only a handful of harness tracks I will bet though. Meadowlands and Woodbine are the two I trust implicitly. Other tracks like Yonkers and Monticello, I have heard very scary stories about from jockeys and horse owners. I have had modest success at Meadowlands just because I have noticed a decent amount of longshots hit the board there. I tend to play a 4 horse exacta box, throw the favorite out and find value in 4 horses in the race. granted I don't win more than I lose with this "system" but it keeps me in the game for the evening, and I have walked out with decent sums of money by playing this way.

I will first say I do far better with harness my biggest $1 winner ever was at Hazel park harness (paid $3600 for the $1 triple) and woodbine/mohawk has been good to me, but as casper said here yonkers is HORRIBLE! One night I was watching the race I bet well I hit or so I thought I had three 15-1 or so shots in the triple and the race ended and I'm sitting and waiting for a huge payout, well they quickly put up a third horse that was not the third place finisher and paid out this third horse was like 20 something to 1 with the two 15 or so to 1's and it only paid $400 for a $1 triple, they played the replays and everyone at the track was saying how I got screwed and that the horse did not even come close to getting third they put up, it was not even a photo finish they just decided to put a different horse up and paid out low low numbers for those odds which means one or two guys played like 100 triple with the horse that they cheated with and put up, mobster, jockey or track official it was unreal and def an inside job

[cobra_king]

My name is david xxxxxxxx- google me- "david xxxxxx-toronto star"
and ive been betting woodbine harness races for the last 2 years.....
it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to make money.....
I am one of the GTA's top 10 handicappers Re woodbine ...and i still have trouble beating the track because the racing ley is so high on certain wagers...win 4 raised up to 23% exotics are 17% triactors and win 3's are above20% so its tough...
the only way you can beat them is to watch the replays of evryhorse on the card....per night which takes about 2.25 hrs a day...then you have to be at the track for the warmups 4 minutes pre race then you need a wagering console to bet last second...to cheat the gate of your "speed" horses...if you are a harness professional by trade please inquire to my mailbox as we can exchange information....

Not saying this isn't a way to beat the game since cleary this type of work can get the job done, but it isn't the only way to do it. I've been betting Woodbine/Mohawk professionally since the early 90's and i have never relied on watching replays or warmups at any point in my career. The one area i will agree with you on is having the betting console and wagering at the last second to see how the speed will play itself out. This is vital.
As you stated the takeout is extremely high, but to me the exotics such as Pick 4's and Superfecta's have become a money drain not because of the high take outs, but because of the 20cent option available now. Realistically taking down an entire pool is not really an option anymore, whereas before the 20cent era, I could count on one a year at least. Pick 3's are just not an option because of the terrible pool size.
In the end, the idea of exchanging propietary information isn't something that i would consider since at the end of the day we are effectively competeing against the other bettors and not the 'house'.
Good luck to you Dave.

[wtt0315]

hate the stretch at woodbine.. my horse is always leading but damn it never ends and i lose.. always last to first there.

[cobra_king]

hate the stretch at woodbine.. my horse is always leading but damn it never ends and i lose.. always last to first there.

Well though sometimes it may seem to be last to first at Woodbine, the reality is that it's simply not true. In fact 39% of all horses LEADING at the 3/4's pole, (which is essentially the top of the stretch) win the race. With another 20% of the winners coming from whoever is second at that point. Woodbine is unequivocally a front end speed track.

[Tsoprano]

Love that scene

"And I was gonna buy a new neon sign"

Vintage Pesci, vintage!