This Forum Needs to Lay Off People's Losing Picks

[VegasDave]

Honestly.

I'm not blaming anyone but myself for the mistakes I've made over the last few weeks, but I just realized that we seriously are way too mean to each other here.

Some of you are smart enough never to post your picks, but those of us that do often get ripped to shreds when our picks lose.

Take for example this week. I picked the Jags Thursday night and lost a very close game, and people still called it a bad/stupid pick, even though it took an epic 4th quarter to lose. Sunday I had 6 philosophy picks; San Diego, Seattle, Kansas City, Carolina, Washington, and Buffalo. Other than Carolina, all under-500 teams against over-.500 teams.

I really wanted to take St. Louis and Green Bay too. I really did, they met my philosophy criteria. But I went the other way. Now, that is no one's fault but my own. But subconsciously, I knew taking so many shitty teams, if they went 2 - 7 or something, I'd get KILLED on the forum for being such an idiot taking so many terrible teams. So I took the "safe" path on a few, and lost both.

If there weren't so many haters around here, I would have likely just gone with my gut.

Ripping on people for losing does one of two things, it either;
A) Dissuades them from posting picks
B) Effects the way they cap games (not constructively, usually)

So we either A) dissuade people from feeling free to discuss their opinions on games, or B) make their opinions feel inferior/stupid.

I'm not saying don't discuss games and disagree, thats great. What I am saying is, after the game is over, ripping someone for a pick now that you've seen how the game has gone? What does it really prove?

I can only imagine how many great cappers on this site don't post/discuss picks because they see how others are treated.

Want to rip people? Rip the people that call games LOCKS and say THIS ONE CAN'T MISS!!!, they are asking for it. Or rip picks that get blown out.

But how can you be a dick to someone who lost on the last drive of the game? It was obviously very close and therefore not a terrible call.

I have Suns ML over Mavericks. Suns up 1 with 4 seconds to go. Mavs inbound and hit a buzzer beater to beat me. You come on and type "HOW STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE SHAQ IS OLD AND SLOWS THIS TEAM DOWN, MAVS WERE THE OBVIOUS CHOICE TONIGHT LOSER". Really? Shot at the buzzer bricks and I win and you come in and say "nice pick " but one shot difference and you need to go into attack mode?

This isn't about me, you've all been really cool to me lately and even when you criticize me, I'm used to it and I can take it. But I really do feel like we are cheating ourselves of some great cappers sharing their opinions by being a bunch of jerks to each other all the time.

[ZBOIZ]

Fuk the Haters Dave! If you notice, the ones who hate never post plays. They are just fake SBR thugs.

[Kingctb27]

Agreed. It's stupid. Why would anyone even want to post a pick?

[ZBOIZ]

These types of websites are based on helping people on different situations. So if you post a play and have a nice write up behind it than it can be very helpful.

[ZBOIZ]

Or if your a proven winner like Tsop. than that can help you when you in a slump

[pat venditto]

doesn't matter if the jags +6 lost by 7 or 55. same result you picked a loser.

[fearless]

Agreed. It's stupid. Why would anyone even want to post a pick?

Feedback, contests, and wanting to help others.

[VegasDave]

doesn't matter if the jags +6 lost by 7 or 55. same result you picked a loser.

Agreed, of course it lost. But what does anyone gain from ripping someone a new one for playing the Jags?

[cruyff]

I'm new here so this might be a misinformed opinion, but aren't the one's being ripped apart usually the one's who are yapping about their new 'one hundred percent definite, bet the baby's milk money on this pick lock'? And to be perfectly blunt if people want to build themselves up I have no problem with them being chopped back down to reality.

I'm not suggesting you're one of these people Dave since it sure doesn't come across in this post, but at least you don't seem to take it too seriously. And if there are those who do, to put it simply, do you really have to read the replies to your lost picks? Live and bet another day.

[Chi_archie]

one of the rreasons nicky doesn't post picks is due to haters

[pat venditto]

Makes the forum entertaining. The truth sets you free.

[onthewhat]

unreal

don't post picks if u can't handle the heat guy

[pat venditto]

I needle people dave thats what i do and i expect it back when i hit 23% winners on that particular day.

[Seattle Slew]

My thoughts exactly. Problem is there are dozens of lock threads every week.

I'm new here so this might be a misinformed opinion, but aren't the one's being ripped apart usually the one's who are yapping about their new 'one hundred percent definite, bet the baby's milk money on this pick lock'? And to be perfectly blunt if people want to build themselves up I have no problem with them being chopped back down to reality.

I'm not suggesting you're one of these people Dave since it sure doesn't come across in this post, but at least you don't seem to take it too seriously. And if there are those who do, to put it simply, do you really have to read the replies to your lost picks? Live and bet another day.

[VegasDave]

I'm new here so this might be a misinformed opinion, but aren't the one's being ripped apart usually the one's who are yapping about their new 'one hundred percent definite, bet the baby's milk money on this pick lock'? And to be perfectly blunt if people want to build themselves up I have no problem with them being chopped back down to reality.

You'd think so. And like I said, these are the ones that have it coming to some degree.

But even guys that just offer their opinions on games and never go near words like lock are also attacked.

unreal

don't post picks if u can't handle the heat guy

I can handle it, which is why I do post picks.

But this illustrates my point; why should someone have to have rhino-thick skin to discuss their leans on games on a sports gambling forum?

[onthewhat]

Dave guys on here are action junkies. If they see a guy post a pick, they might play it looking for action, then be pissed off if its a loser and start giving you shit.

[bettilimbroke999]

Grow a set of balls, if you post a losing pick and somebody says that pick suked and your an idiot what are u gonna do start cryin and piss ur pants, who gives a fuk, do u really care what a bunch of degens on a gambling site think of you? U dont even bet the games dave it doesn't even make any sense to be capping them, its just a fukin waste of time, if u had any confidence in ur capping ability yourself youd be bettin your own picks, so u know u cant cap for shit

[frostno98]

I threw up one lock post and it went bad, that will be my only one for the year. I'll just stick to the SBR best bet thread and keep it simple.

[Nicky Santoro]

one of the rreasons nicky doesn't post picks is due to haters

archie, back in 02, i decided to go to hockey forum and post picks.. my 1st day, i went 1-4.. 23 people pounded me and called me a big loser... and i am clueless.. they questioned every game i bet.. the next 18 days, i couldn't lose a game.. i went like 53-19 over the next 72 game.. my record now was 54-23, up 33 units.. i didn't hear from the haters since day 1.. they were quiet.... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


then the following day, i went 1-8... you should have seen the haters.. all 23 came popping out of the woodwork to bash me and mock me.. they loved it.. the next day, i went 1-5... you should have heard them now.. they sounded sooo happy, and were calling me a fukkin loser that knows shit.. they were awaiting this for a long time.. they hated me winning.. they were jealous from all the 34 guys that were calling me a star everyday and looking up to me.. they didn't like that.. they hated this.. JEALOUS.

so now, after all that, i am still 56-36, up over 20 units on year.. but that's not enough..as long as they bash me for having a bad day or two, they are in heaven.

this is exactly why i wont ever post picks.. people love to bash.. i dont know why guys like richie and vegas dave do this for.. it's so stupid..

[VegasDave]

Grow a set of balls, if you post a losing pick and somebody says that pick suked and your an idiot what are u gonna do start cryin and piss ur pants, who gives a fuk, do u really care what a bunch of degens on a gambling site think of you? U dont even bet the games dave it doesn't even make any sense to be capping them, its just a fukin waste of time, if u had any confidence in ur capping ability yourself youd be bettin your own picks, so u know u cant cap for shit

Yet another illustration.

And again, like I said, this isn't about me. No one even said anything out of line to me.

Silly misconception around here that I don't bet my picks because I don't want to. I don't bet them because I don't have the money to. I really don't see how this is so difficult to understand; do I really have to go into severe credit card debt and stiff credit wagering to get street cred around here?

When I have a steady income, I will be betting my games, trust me. And I'd rather stay sharp and try to improve my craft in the meantime instead of fall out of touch with the leagues and capping methods just because I currently don't have the bankroll to bet.

I will soon, and I'll be back to betting. Trust me, I can't wait.

[pat venditto]

Dave you went all in pal you didn't make it pal i made it pal.

[VegasDave]

this is exactly why i wont ever post picks.. people love to bash.. i dont know why guys like richie and vegas dave do this for.. it's so stupid..

Thank you for this story Nicky. I know you are a very sharp guy, and knowing that it isn't worth it to post your picks to save yourself the grief is pretty sharp, too.

I'll tell you why I do it. I try to lead by example. I hope that people see what I'm doing and like it/respect it, and they start doing it to.

Seeing a guy like Brock Landers hop on the camera to give us his picks is awesome. I'm not saying he did it because of me at all, but maybe he saw my threads and said "shit, I could do that, thats easy" and now we have another capper contributing his picks to the forum via video.

My vision of SBR is a place where we are all discussing every game, and no one is afraid to pitch in. If I run and hide after getting some flak, I'm not doing my part. I tough it out in hopes that other people follow suit. Even if I disagree with every single play a guy makes, I'd still love for him to be posting them and sharing his insight with us.

[bettilimbroke999]

Vegas u cant cap for shit even your caps lock key says "cant caps", your philosophy picks smell worse than Amy Winehouse's pussy

[pat venditto]

You are trying to control people.This is not a dictatorship son.

[james4512]

i dont post my picks, simply because im a no-namer here and if i did no one would even look at them. But in nearly every thread i post my input on the game and im right on nearly every game. ZBOIZ im not doubting your a good capper but your record is nowhere near what is in your profile. Your average at best at capping games, but your good at betting props but thats hardly sports betting in my book. I just hate people who say *LOCKSSSS*** or MONEYIN DA BANK**!!! and then they lose horribly. Thats the difference between someone like pags whose really good and isnt full of himself and 75% of the people who post here

[demize21]

i look at it like this everyone that post picks and has legitimate explanations,trend, etc. thats fine to follow blindly without doing additional research than your a fool and your the only one to blame but since Ive join this forum i look at a few capers views do my own research and play on that so all i have to hate on is my self .

people hating are probably the ones that blindly follow picks and when they lose they are ready to rant i say eff um you make valid points week after week its not like your telling people to take your picks so i wouldn't let it get to me when they start talking shiznit bol the rest of the season still gotta love my spiritual play on NE tho LOL, BOL to ALL this week and have a happy holidays

[VegasDave]

Vegas u cant cap for shit even your caps lock key says "cant caps", your philosophy picks smell worse than Amy Winehouse's pussy

71%. Keep talking.

You are trying to control people.This is not a dictatorship son.

I'm not trying to control anyone. I don't actually believe anyone is going to change their ways over my measly thread. I'm just offering my opinion, which I'm entitled to do since this indeed isn't a dictatorship. I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to bug people when they lose. Fair is fair.

[bettilimbroke999]

When ur 30 game sample "philosophy picks" goes down to 50 percent just come up with some new category like Vegas daves dream picks and if u hit 2 out of 3 claim that your dream picks are hittin 70%, signup for CW if ur smashin 71% you wont have to worry about stiffin just be loadin up the wheelbarrow every week

[james4512]

When ur 30 game sample "philosophy picks" goes down to 50 percent just come up with some new category like Vegas daves dream picks and if u hit 2 out of 3 claim that your dream picks are hittin 70%, signup for CW if ur smashin 71% you wont have to worry about stiffin just be loadin up the wheelbarrow every week

yeah its a little easier capping when no money is involved. No risk and its easier to put your money on "bad" teams. Not to mention this is the year of the underdog.

[I.R.B]

Just dont lose

[VegasDave]

When ur 30 game sample "philosophy picks" goes down to 50 percent just come up with some new category like Vegas daves dream picks and if u hit 2 out of 3 claim that your dream picks are hittin 70%, signup for CW if ur smashin 71% you wont have to worry about stiffin just be loadin up the wheelbarrow every week

87 - 51 - 5 over the 4 seasons I've been using them. Thats 63% over the last 4 seasons. And before this season, I was betting every one of these, and enjoying it, too. So its a 143 game sample.

yeah its a little easier capping when no money is involved. No risk and its easier to put your money on "bad" teams. Not to mention this is the year of the underdog.

Wow, you don't even know anything about me and you are jumping on board too, huh? Do you know how agonizing it is to be hitting 70% on your favorite plays and not betting these games? I would bet every single on of my philosophy plays and I'd have made a killing this year. Do you really think I'm happy about being too broke to bet these?

[Chi_archie]

I can understand where Dave is coming from..... in some sense but its a bit Quixotic to think the board would ever be a place where we all come, share insight, support one another in good times and bad, lend information, give tips, ect...... Idealistic......but ultimately Unrealistic...

there are plenty of good cats around here that offer the above things...heck if you have 10% of posters doing that...its a good forum.....

but we aren't gonna build a utopia forum here....we gotta know that you will have your ass-clowns that know they have small pricks, have been rejected by women, have bad jobs, are anti-social, got picked on as kids, or whatever it is that makes them unhappy deep deep deep down inside where words don't even quite reach...


We are all here to beat the books... we aren't going up against one another here.... there really is no competition amongst us in terms of $$$$ and that's really what it comes down to.

But we are men, and that's the way we have always been... (hell people to, girls do it...just in a different sense)
We joke around and rib each other and get on one another and kick people when they are down, because that's how men joke around and bond. -that doesn't mean it isn't unhealthy and due to deep down feelings of insecurity.

In college my friends and I all lived in a big apartment, and our thing was that we were all athletes and we were all tough, we beat the shit out of each other physically and mentally too. It was sign of weakness to ever say...."Hey man you went to far"... the first sign of anyone being hurt/pissed off by getting a whooping or being made fun of for being dissed by a girl or somthing was the cue to pile on even more.

I see now, that this is/was silly. But that's how we operate.

Dave, you prob have too big of a heart and too thin of skin to deal with this long term...... You can't take stuff to heart too much or expect too much out of a what a forum REALLY is, a collection of imperfect people from all walks and phases of life..... which means you will have insecure young pricks that wanna make a "name" for themselves on a forum and drag others down just so they can feel better about themselves......

it comes with the territory..... you gotta learn to ignore it one way or another or move on..

I hope you stay around and keep the true purpose of a forum like this going......

[VegasDave]

But again, this all goes back to illustrating my point.

I make a well written post saying "hey, we should be nicer to each other" and 4 separate people criticize me for it. God forbid we treat each other with respect huh?

[pat venditto]

sometimes being an asshole to someone is a sign of respect. people dont always mean what they say.

[VegasDave]

Thanks for writing out that response Chi.

Believe it or not, I'm actually totally okay. I'm not upset at all. When people respond to me, even negatively, I like to respond to them. Its just common courtesy. The fact that I respond doesn't mean I'm hurt or bothered, I'm not, at all.

I'm just worried about others. People can pick on me all they want, I don't mind.