Have read some reports about VIP limiting winners to $1 per wager...Thoughts?

SquareShooter · 08-07-06, 06:27 AM

heh, happy scalping.

freebie · 08-07-06, 06:58 AM

I usually wager $50-$100, but ocassionally I will bet up to $1,000 a game and they haven't limit yet.

I have been doing this with Vip for 2 years now. And plus they won't give me reup bonus, cause I'm winning at their place.

RickySteve · 08-07-06, 06:30 PM

I was limited to $20 after I hit all of their (former) skins for the max on a prop. After VIP consolidated, I was back to normal limits.

tacomax · 08-07-06, 06:51 PM

It's usually the type of bets you place rather than the bets themselves which cause the drop in limits at most books. If you're consistently beating them to the numbers before they have a chance to chase the market, they'll get you whether you win or lose.

rolemand · 08-07-06, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

I was limited to $20 after I hit all of their (former) skins for the max on a prop. After VIP consolidated, I was back to normal limits.

Good for you. Didn't happen for me though. Same ole limits

pags11 · 08-08-06, 04:25 AM

I know what tacomax is saying in terms of steam betting...just think $1 is a little ridiculous (as is $20)...just say we don't want your action any more!...

BrentCrude · 08-08-06, 12:14 PM

Remember the carnival games as a kid?

The sportsbooks need a guy like W.C.Fields to tell consistantly winning bettors ,get out of here kid,your bothering me.Remember as a kid the gyp carnival games where the rim was the size of the basketball and the bottom milk bottle in the pryamid you tried to knock over weighed 12 pounds and the cigarette pack you had to knock over with the cork gun that had a 5 degree bend in the barrel.It was impossible to win but if some kid was good and lucky he could do it and the carnies banned him from playing.These sportsbooks are starting to behave like the carnival games of yesteryear.

LVHerbie · 08-08-06, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by BrentCrude

The sportsbooks need a guy like W.C.Fields to tell consistantly winning bettors ,get out of here kid,your bothering me.Remember as a kid the gyp carnival games where the rim was the size of the basketball and the bottom milk bottle in the pryamid you tried to knock over weighed 12 pounds and the cigarette pack you had to knock over with the cork gun that had a 5 degree bend in the barrel.It was impossible to win but if some kid was good and lucky he could do it and the carnies banned him from playing.These sportsbooks are starting to behave like the carnival games of yesteryear.

I knew there was a reason I couldn't knock down those damn milk bottles... :-(

pags11 · 08-09-06, 12:33 AM

that's a great analogy brentcrude...and very true to the situation here...

TheGambler · 08-11-06, 01:30 PM

Well, it just happened to me as well. I have been waiting all year for football and now it is here and my VIP limits have been cut as of 2 hours ago. I didn't play much with them during baseball but they have had the best odds on the first few football games, especially during the 1st half. I only play the first half during preseason b/c i figure i have some kind of knowledge of who will be matched up against each other whereas the 2nd half is definitely a free for all. B/C of my wagering on the 1st halves, they have cut my limits to nothing. I can't help it that they had the best line at the time for the game I wanted. I am very upset about this b/c I enjoy betting with VIP but I don't know what to do now. I'm supposed to call back and talk to Joe but I'm not sure what will happen even after talking to him. this sucks! I didn't even win with them yet. I'm down a couple hundred.

mnblu · 08-11-06, 02:07 PM

Thanks Pags

Boy am I glad I read this. Yesterday I was going to dep. there for another "out", I didn`t like the CS so I held off. Now forget about it!! The guy that`s wondering what to do, tell em to GF and draw down your $$, go to BetJam or Pinny. I don`t know guys the way this is all going it may be my last yr O/S! Too much hassle.

pags11 · 08-11-06, 08:52 PM

mnblu,

not a problem...I find it interesting that a book such as VIP is so quick to cut limits...I mean they're rated A+, which you think they would bring on all comers (like pinnacle, Cris, betjam and Mansion)...but they seem to be a little chicken...does SBR or VIP have a stance on this?...

DrSlamm · 08-11-06, 10:21 PM

they will limit you then if you keep betting with them they will give you the "your account has been disabled please call ######"

Chuck Sims · 08-11-06, 10:23 PM

VIP has always been like this. Cutting limits once they determine you are not clueless. You could be a loser for 5 years there. Start winning, BAM!! Limits cut to peanuts.

Play at Pinnacle. WSEX is top shelf too with player friendly odds for teasers. WSEX will be offering deposit bonuses closer to the start of the reg football season.

michael777 · 08-11-06, 10:35 PM

a couple of years ago,after 4 winning horse wagers,vip cut my horse limits to $1

TheGambler · 08-11-06, 11:46 PM

Then I guess this means I better get out b/c I was given the go ahead to bet over the phone but I do not want to play if this is what's going to happen. I really thought VIP was a big enough book to take a dime a game but I guess not. Thanks for the info guys.

pags11 · 08-12-06, 10:58 PM

gambler, I would take chuck's advice and not mess around with VIP anymore...

jjgold · 08-13-06, 07:14 AM

Bet365
5 Dimes
VIP

Will all limit your wagers to around $5 if you win some bets

ttmopp · 08-13-06, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

5 Dimes
Will all limit your wagers to around $5 if you win some bets

5Dimes is indeed limiting players. My limits on soccer are half of the normal limits, usually max $125. Thats pretty sad for a book that says on their website being a book for serious players. Why is SBR recommending them for professional players? (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Reco...t/default.aspx)

SBR_John · 08-13-06, 08:02 AM

VIP, BoDog and 365 are great books but they will cut back guys beating them to the line change.

5Dimes; The shop offers so many different betting options, low juice overnights, ect.

There is a bit of a misconception in terms. A scalper is NOT a professional. He should stick to books that take professional action but he is not a real gambling professional. When we say the book is good for professionals it doesn't mean they don't collar scalpers, rather it means they appeal to what professionals like.

mjc257 · 08-13-06, 09:47 AM

* 5Dimes limits me to $500 per play. And I've never cashed money out of there in my life.

* VIP lets me bet in excess of a dime per game and I've never had a problem. And I've cashed out of VIP dozens of times.

I think VIP is overrated as an A+. THey're inconsistent with what their customer service tells relating to all facets of the book.

ttmopp · 08-13-06, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

There is a bit of a misconception in terms. A scalper is NOT a professional.

As far as I know, professionals take bets they consider having a long term value, they seek +ev positions no matter if its a straight bet, middle or a scalp. Is there any professional player who would NOT take a scalp if spots one and don't have a strong opinion of the particular game? Saying no to a positive return of your money is hardly professional. Almost like folding the nuts on river.

I was just wondering about 5Dimes listed P, because all the other books you list for professionals really deserve their ratings, IMO

TheGambler · 08-13-06, 11:10 AM

That's exactly what I was thinking when I talked to the line's manager at VIP. He said my limits were cut b/c I had taken advantage of lines that were so called "good" lines. He said he knew I was a good player and I was taking advantage of lines that eventually would move. HOwever, all of the lines I bet on were the same all morning, nearly 4 hours. He accused me of using a line service. I told him that as a gambler, I would always try to get the best line and I can't help it that it just happened to be VIP that morning. I'm up overall with VIP about 2K so I don't see that as "breaking the bank". If I do want to bet with them, I have to call in now. Kind of defeats the purpose of internet gambling!

pags11 · 08-14-06, 01:52 AM

so they want no "sharp" action at all then John...how does a book distinguish between a good handicapper than can tell which way a lines headed, vs. a scalper that just ends up following steam?...I think these excuses are nice outs for turning away winning players...

isetcap · 08-14-06, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by pags11

so they want no "sharp" action at all then John...how does a book distinguish between a good handicapper than can tell which way a lines headed, vs. a scalper that just ends up following steam?...I think these excuses are nice outs for turning away winning players...

Succinct and correct. VIP only wants loyal "professional" action that is willing to take their lines no matter the price (the loyal professional AKA the broke professional), as opposed to professional action that will take a better price at Pinnacle or Mansion simply for the oddball reason that it is a better price.

Every time VIP is the topic, John has to explain to all of us why we should understand how wonderful they are. When I think of the small group of books that are 'A+' and happy to take "professional" action, VIP definitely seems like the book that does not belong.

SBR_John · 08-14-06, 07:27 AM

Yes and its pretty much true. If you want the best line just check the very top of the SBR Recommended List: Pinnacle

Folks choose the VIP's, Bodog's ect., for different reasons like they are small players or new players. If you are a pro looking to lay the lumber than the two on the SBR Recommended List will take about $50,000 combined on major side bets.

We try to explain in the reviews who these books are best for.

jjgold · 08-14-06, 02:05 PM

We knocked off VIP from out top 30

Just not an acceptable out anymore

pags11 · 08-14-06, 04:49 PM

John,

I think you know what a big fan of SBR I am, but I have to agree with Isetcap here...I mean it's one thing if your Bodog and you make a point to let people know you are a square book, but the VIP's and the bet365's (and even skybook) of the world promote themselves as books that take on all action...yeah, you don't have to worry about getting paid from these books because if you consistantly beat them, they just lower your limits so you never play there anymore...I'm telling you, this needs to be addressed with these guys or they have to be at least lowered to an A or even an A- book...their CS is below average as well...I know there's probably a business relationship between VIP and SBR, but it's still SBR's responsibility to inform the player what a book is all about...

Chuck Sims · 08-14-06, 05:40 PM

The Gambler just stated what many of us already know, if you win, your limits are cut to $50 or less. He bet on games where the line did not move for 4 hours after he made the bet. Hardly call that beating the line moves.

The linesmakers says he bet "good lines". Translation: you are not clueless therefore your limits have been cut.

rm18 · 08-14-06, 05:43 PM

I just got sut by them again, I was a dime on sides, and nickel on totals/mlb 1st halfs, now $200 for everything, hopefully my gameday has not been cut yet though

njschimpf · 08-14-06, 06:17 PM

They have had my limits cut for some time now when i call them they will let me play for more but it bull how can they be an A+ book when they pull this crap i mean everything else with them is great but this is crap

jjgold · 08-14-06, 06:43 PM

VIP and 5 Dimes are at Best B- books now

Good point why VIP pays really good by another poster..very few beat them and when they do its chump change.

SBR_John · 08-14-06, 07:36 PM

We also get player comments that they love VIP and felt Pinnacle was the coldest most impersonal business they have ever seen.

Its subjective depending on your style and expierence level. VIP, Bododg and 365 are excellent training ground. You have a question or need to know how a parlay works? You call them. Try calling Pinny or CRIS and have them explain how a 3 team parlay works.

jjgold · 08-14-06, 07:39 PM

Johnny I can call Pinny or Cris and get the head man every time whether it is a question about the book or a general question about life.

If you bet $50 and under then I would say Bet365, VIP and Bo Dog are the best in the world.