The Cocaine of Gambling................. this is it..

[Nicky Santoro]

Boys, check this out.. If you wanna feel a rush, this is it.. 6 weeks ago, my local tells me he is now taking "Lightning Bets".. I had never heard of this before.. all i can say is....wow..

Lets say NBA total is 180... you can now bet 10 bucks a point.. OR 1k a point.. This is how it works.. if you bet 1k a point.. every pt over 180 is 1k in your pocket.. So imagine if score is 90-90 with 8 minutes to go in game.. each bucket after that is 2k in your pocket.. and what if game goes to triple OT?? you can make 75k in one game, easily..

but if game goes under 180, it's 1100 per pt under..so if game ends on 200, you win 20k.. if game ends on 160, you lose 22k. So you basically start the game down 180k.. if you want the rush and feel intense, this is it.. i swear to god, this is the mother of all rushes.. this is worse than taking 3 lines of coke.. you cant sit down for this.. Imagine game being tied with 9 minutes to go and each bucket is another 2k in your pocket??.. it's unreal.

I wonder if this is a good bet for the player, or a big disadvantage for the player? I think betting over has to be good for player because of the OT's. I'm too lazy to figure the math out, maybe ganch can do this.. You do lose 1100 for every pt loss.

Boys, if you ever get the chance to do this and you want to get a rush, there's no better way.. you will be higher than a kite, and boy, is it a fun way to bet.. but dont get greedy and bet too much a pt, because if you do over 180 and game ends up 74-66, you lose 44k at 1k a point.. Just hope for double OT and wide open basketball and you can retire.

Has anyone ever heard of this? I haven't...... and does any book take this offshore?

[jjgold]

Many books take action points especially over the phone

In UK it is called spread betting

[durito]

nicky, they are called action points and online books stopped taking them or limited them to a certain # past the total

i know a local that takes them from this guy and he won about 100k last year, but the swings are huge. he wasnt paying -110 under though, even money both ways.

if it's even money the over is +ev because of ot and no upper limit in game going over

[Richkas]

Boys, check this out.. If you wanna feel a rush, this is it.. 6 weeks ago, my local tells me he is now taking "Lightning Bets".. I had never heard of this before.. all i can say is....wow..

Lets say NBA total is 180... you can now bet 10 bucks a point.. OR 1k a point.. This is how it works.. if you bet 1k a point.. every pt over 180 is 1k in your pocket.. So imagine if score is 90-90 with 8 minutes to go in game.. each bucket after that is 2k in your pocket.. and what if game goes to triple OT?? you can make 75k in one game, easily..

but if game goes under 180, it's 1100 per pt under..so if game ends on 200, you win 20k.. if game ends on 160, you lose 22k. So you basically start the game down 180k.. if you want the rush and feel intense, this is it.. i swear to god, this is the mother of all rushes.. this is worse than taking 3 lines of coke.. you cant sit down for this.. Imagine game being tied with 9 minutes to go and each bucket is another 2k in your pocket??.. it's unreal.

I wonder if this is a good bet for the player, or a big disadvantage for the player? I think betting over has to be good for player because of the OT's. I'm too lazy to figure the math out, maybe ganch can do this.. You do lose 1100 for every pt loss.

Boys, if you ever get the chance to do this and you want to get a rush, there's no better way.. you will be higher than a kite, and boy, is it a fun way to bet.. but dont get greedy and bet too much a pt, because if you do over 180 and game ends up 74-66, you lose 44k at 1k a point.. Just hope for double OT and wide open basketball and you can retire.

Has anyone ever heard of this? I haven't...... and does any book take this offshore?

I would love this bet.

[Chi_archie]

sounds more like crack then cocaine

[jjgold]

WSEX takes nfl action points online

[fiveteamer]

This is terrible, I would never do this.

[SlickFazzer]

[Nicky Santoro]

i know a local that takes them from this guy and he won about 100k last year, but the swings are huge. he wasnt paying -110 under though, even money both ways.

wow.. why would a bookie take even money both ways? is he crazy? what's in it for him? of course ov has to be +ev.. especially NHL. cause if total is 5.. worse he can lose is 4k.. (1-0 final).. but most he can win is whatever.. 9-4 final.. etc...

i am even thinking that -110 per pt loss might still be close to a +ev bet.. imagine at even money?

action pts is not same cause there's a cap... whereas my local has no cap.. and he is good for it.. he's been around many many years and pays..so if you win 100k, you get paid.. that helps with bets like this..

[durito]

he has so many dumb players, he thinks every one is a loser. i'm pretty sure he stopped taken them though.

if you have the bankroll to handle the swings, you will win. but i remember weeks where this guy was paying in 50k

[bigboydan]

WSEX takes nfl action points online

TheGreek will take them via the phone.

[Nicky Santoro]

I would love this bet.

richie, you of all people would love this the most.. imagine watching your rams at $50 a pt.. and total is 41.. and it's 21-14 end of 1st q.. how much will you enjoy the 2nd half now when it's 28-21 at half.. you are already up 400.. and with half a game to go.. now each TD is 350 in your pocket and each FG is 150 in your pocket... if this game ends 48-45, you make 2600 on the game..

this bet is fun because instead of turning it off at halftime and watching re runs of seinfeld, you are now opening up a few more beers and feeling like a 5 yr old at Toys R Us.

Talk about adding excitement to sports gambling..

[AMBlai01]

My local takes these bets....up to a certain point now. I guess a couple years back he got buried on one of these so he capped it at something.

I have done this myself but it is very tempting.

[onthewhat]

Damn that would be fun...

[fiveteamer]

richie, you of all people would love this the most.. imagine watching your rams at $50 a pt.. and total is 41.. and it's 21-14 end of 1st q.. how much will you enjoy the 2nd half now when it's 28-21 at half.. you are already up 400.. and with half a game to go.. now each TD is 350 in your pocket and each FG is 150 in your pocket... if this game ends 48-45, you make 2600 on the game..

this bet is fun because instead of turning it off at halftime and watching re runs of seinfeld, you are now opening up a few more beers and feeling like a 5 yr old at Toys R Us.

Talk about adding excitement to sports gambling..

Now explain what happens when it is 6-3 at the half.

[WileOut]

I would think that people who have programs that tell them what the score is supposed to be, those people would rather be betting action points than just betting on the spread or total. Because many times when they lose its by so few points, and many times when they win its by a huge margin. People like the computer group guys I read about would love this and would bury anybody offering it even moreso than they do anyway.

[Nicky Santoro]

Now explain what happens when it is 6-3 at the half.

This is what happens

[vitalogist]

If anyone here listens to the howard stern show you probably heard artie lange's story about the time him and norm macdonald did one of these....

It was a few years back, they went I believe $1000 a point on the over on a game, I believe it was utah, can't remember the other team... Anyhow it ended up being literally the lowest scoring post-shot clock era game in nba history, and cost them over $100K..... That's unreal....

[accuscoresucks]

those icons above sumes it up pretty good nicky

not for the faint of heart

[jjgold]

The Euros invented this type of betting and has been around for a while/ They call it spread betting and they do not have any caps

They though are smart and put spreads like this on lets baskets

Boston vs Atlanta tonight is

3-6

So if you take the Celts they have to win by 6 or more
If you take Atlanta you are getting three to start

They rip you off on the spreads

1st qtr Total tonight is

45.5-47.5

All Info taken from bethilo in UK

[Nicky Santoro]

those icons above sumes it up pretty good nicky

not for the faint of heart

it doesn't have to be bad.. you must bet within your means, and you're ok.. just dont get greedy and it wont hurt you. for example, if you're a 1k bettor, dont go betting 1k a point over the #,cause if it goes way under, you can lose 50k in one game.. instead, if you are a 1k bettor, then bet 50 bucks a pt and this way, if it goes way under by 24 pts, you lose 1200 + juice.. its like a straight bet you lost, not too bad.

but the best part of this would be when you have over in phoenix 190 and it's 100-88 end of 3rd quarter.. now how fun will watching the 4th q be when each basket now is 100 bucks (2x50) and a hope for OT's or lots of fouls at the end.. i wouldn't be able to sit down.. it would be the best basketball i'd ever watch in my lifetime..whereas if you just had over for the game, you turn the channel and watch American Idol.. not with this bet..

[RogueScholar]

I'd always wondered what action points were, and I'm glad I learned about them today. Thanks Nicky, as always, for bringing up the finer points of our shared activity. I guess WSEX is going to see some of my action before baseball season rolls around.

[pico]

nicky is wrong, there is a upper limit. when you call a book placing action points bet, you can only risk up to the amount of money in your account. let's say you have 10k in your account, and the total is 180 and you want to do 1k per point. you can only do 10 action points spread....so the most you can win is double up your account.

[nosniboR11]

This is what happens

now that's funny

[Bluehorseshoe]

Lighting bets have been around a while.

I had one on the Suns in the playoffs when Rex Chapman was playing. They were laying 9 and won by 32 over the Nuggets. Every time they hit a three over the 9 it was +$300.

Offshores have a cap up to 20 points while locals run wild.

[rookie]

The spread is way too much to find a value bet for US sports. Check out www.sportingindex.com (esp on Sunday for NFL prop bets).

[rookie]

nicky, they are called action points and online books stopped taking them or limited them to a certain # past the total

i know a local that takes them from this guy and he won about 100k last year, but the swings are huge. he wasnt paying -110 under though, even money both ways.

if it's even money the over is +ev because of ot and no upper limit in game going over

even money both ways and what's the spread ?

[Bluehorseshoe]

even money both ways and what's the spread ?

There is none on a total.


Say you bet over 190 in the NBA for a $100 a point and the total on the game comes up 175, You just lost $1,500. (or $1,650 if you get charged the vig.)

[rookie]

There is none on a total.


Say you bet over 190 in the NBA for a $100 a point and the total on the game comes up 175, You just lost $1,500. (or $1,650 if you get charged the vig.)

Why would any bookie offer even money and no spread ? Or they should try to take on the UK spread firms (4-pt spread on NBA totals).

[MonkeyF0cker]

If you can't win ATS, you shouldn't be playing these.

[InTheHole]

wow

[ryanXL977]

do the over on any warriors game and make 30k per game

[Bluehorseshoe]

Why would any bookie offer even money and no spread ? Or they should try to take on the UK spread firms (4-pt spread on NBA totals).

When is there a spread on a total?????

[Nicky Santoro]

do the over on any warriors game and make 30k per game

well if you started last game with GS, you'd be down close to 25k to start the year.. they never even made it close to the #..


all you need is to get lucky and pick the game that goes to triple OT shootout and you are set for awhile.

a nice 142-139 triple OT shootout game that the total was 206.. and you make 75,000$

[ryanXL977]

yes i know the last game vs orlando they didnt, or the one before vs ok
but generally their games go over