question for Charlie at Bet4aces

[marc]

Charlie,

What's the deal with sportsbook777.com Why is bet4aces starting a new book, when they still haven't paid the players from bet4aces. Is bet4aces getting ready to shut down and reopen under a new name.

What's going on?

[JC]

Because Bet4Aces is a scam operation.

[jumper]

thanks for keeping on these guys.why not just allow the bet4aces acct holders to have balances at the new shop,with rollovers,less the original bonuses,add matching deposits,etc... this can be worked out as a win/win or any future book from 4aces can be known as a bad seed

[TLasVegas702]

help us bill at SBR

Bill,

Help us..they gave me an excuse that i'm part of a syndicate. Whatever..this clearly showed they are scamming our money. Where are the police. Bill, we are honest gambler.

thanks in advance

FYI...NOTICE ON WEBSITE SPORTSBOOK777.COM
1) MY FRIEND SAID YOU CAN LOGIN USING BET4ACES ACT#
2) AT THE BOTTOM OF TRANSMIT, IT SAID "WELCOME TO BET4ACES"
3) THEY USED THE SAME LIVE CHAT GIRL PIX!! LAME

[k68los]

Charlie,

What's the deal with sportsbook777.com Why is bet4aces starting a new book, when they still haven't paid the players from bet4aces. Is bet4aces getting ready to shut down and reopen under a new name.

What's going on?

Honestly,

I don't know.

I just asked the tech guys what's going on and they tell me that they are hosting a vietnamesse server here, using the same system.

Guys, I am the only one taking calls here along with Brian who is replacing me tomorrow. I don't know what these guys did and how are B4A name coming up on those pages....If they allowed this group to use same format or anything along that way....Well, that's not my thing, this just complicated everything I have been doing here.
I hope personnell from sportsbook777 or viet777 or whatever can fix this situation because I am sure that I am not going to move a finger.

I have tried my best to keep hopes up on monies owed....I am certain that coming september they will pay, but this new mess...sorry, I am not going to be part of it.

My respects to all .

[yokspot]

thanks for keeping on these guys.why not just allow the bet4aces acct holders to have balances at the new shop,with rollovers,less the original bonuses,add matching deposits,etc... this can be worked out as a win/win or any future book from 4aces can be known as a bad seed

Err...huh?

I THINK you're joking. I hope you are.

[tacomax]

I THINK you're joking. I hope you are.

I bet he isn't.

[yokspot]

My sense of humour takes a bit of a back seat in these situations.

[JoshW]

k68, glad you are still around, but can you really think most people will paid at this point? Even you must be seeing the reality by now.

[k68los]

k68, glad you are still around, but can you really think most people will paid at this point? Even you must be seeing the reality by now.

Lakerfan,

I guess I won't feel that my job is complete 'till I see ALL of you paid at the end of September. I have all confidence that they will pay.

My last day is tomorrow and I would like to thank ALL members of this forum for giving me the respect that I have given you.

I hope that my efforts pay off when the end of september comes.

My respects to all of you.

[isetcap]

Charlie is a respectable guy.

[hotdog]

Because Bet4Aces is a scam operation.

Same software, just different banners. Pure Scam!

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[marc]

Charlie,

Have payouts now been pushed off to the end of September? Initially we were told around the end of June / beginningg of July, that payouts would be done in 2 months which would indicate that we would get paid at the begining of Sept, not the end of September.

[k68los]

Charlie,

Have payouts now been pushed off to the end of September? Initially we were told around the end of June / beginningg of July, that payouts would be done in 2 months which would indicate that we would get paid at the begining of Sept, not the end of September.

Marc,

My respects to you sir. Sorry but the dateline was and is for the end of September...I apologize if there was a misunderstanding...........Hopefully, it will be earlier than that dateline.

You may find me at the office all day today, please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.

My respects.

[tacomax]

Charlie is a respectable guy.

And I'm a respectable poster.

[k68los]

And I'm a respectable poster.

Yes you are Tacomax, I have the most respect for all posters here at the Forum.

Thank you for all your comments sir, whether good or bad, I have always respected people's opinions and yours I have always respected.

[isetcap]

And I'm a respectable poster.

You may be a respected poster but I'm not sure how "respectable" you are after what has happened to Natrass and Raiders and Mudcat; each one of them posters for whom you harbored great resentment. I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that they are no longer around.

[mapletree]

Charles, What's your buddy John??? I think we as a players shouldn't believed whatever Charles have to say until all payment is being paid in full. Can anyone tell me what Charles have done for us? He keeps making promises which he never keeps.

[k68los]

Charles, What's your buddy John??? I think we as a players shouldn't believed whatever Charles have to say until all payment is being paid in full. Can anyone tell me what Charles have done for us? He keeps making promises which he never keeps.

Mapletree,

You are absolutley right sir. I just hope that my work and everything I have done so far within the company pays off when september comes around.

My promises won't do much unless they pay, ALL players that are owed money have all the right to feel this way, I agree!

My respects to you Sir.

[marc]

Charlie,

Can you share with us what you have seen, or what steps you have undertaken that makes you believe the Reyes and Co. will actually pay.

It's exceedingly rare is this business to find a book that is in no pay mode for nearly 4 months, come out of no pay mode. Obviously, we have no choice but to wait, but its hard to believe that if the owners were truly "stand up guys", they couldn't find some way to make partial payments, even if it was just $100 a week, simply to prove that they aren't planning on running away.

So if you could just point to one positive thing that you have seen Edward do, that leads you to believe he will pay in the end, that would go a long way in allieviating some of our concerns

[slash]

Come on Marc, you have been around long enough to know that Bet4Aces will never ever pay a single dollar. How much do you have at that shit book?

[marc]

Slash,

I have little hope that I will see the money. But no matter how many times I see books stiff players, I never understand why they can't just come out and say, "we're not paying." That was one thing I "liked" about blue marlin. Reggie just put a note on his website saying he was shutting down. But when books keep saying we'll pay next week, or we'll pay next month. I don't get it. WHy drag out the stiffing process.

People who know Charlie seem to respect him. I'm just curious to know why he thinks the situation will change in September, unless they are hoping to get money in for football.

[tacomax]

You may be a respected poster but I'm not sure how "respectable" you are after what has happened to Natrass and Raiders and Mudcat; each one of them posters for whom you harbored great resentment. I don't think it comes as a surprise to anyone that they are no longer around.

I'm the new sherriff round here and I managed to run a number of the problem posters right out of town.

[them45ter]

Hi guys, I have been away for 3 weeks on holiday. I am still chasing a very large balance here.

Has anything changed other than we are waiting to see if they pay at the end of september.

What happened to Roberto and the possible get out clause?

Thanks in advance.

[jumper]

they,re answering phones today(8-13),not taking new deposits but accepting wagers from existing accts,was told a decision will be made this or next week regarding future.i dont understand why the ownership of this outfit has been allowed to hide behind charlie.who is the responsible party and what pressure could be brought upon him.this situation is unusual in that if they wanted to close they would have done it by now.maybe they will decide they can make more than is owed with the arrival of football.

[SBR_John]

Hi guys, I have been away for 3 weeks on holiday. I am still chasing a very large balance here.

Has anything changed other than we are waiting to see if they pay at the end of september.

What happened to Roberto and the possible get out clause?

Thanks in advance.

I'm afraid you haven't missed anything. Robber & company tried to create a syndicate theory to justify stiffing a large chunck of the debt. One day the ex-employees of this book will expose the scam.

Otherwise its another scam day as usual. You can bet and if you lose they owe you nothing...and if you win?? Well, you must be a syndicate.

[Uncle B]

I'm afraid you haven't missed anything. Robber & company tried to create a syndicate theory to justify stiffing a large chunck of the debt. One day the ex-employees of this book will expose the scam.

Otherwise its another scam day as usual. You can bet and if you lose they owe you nothing...and if you win?? Well, you must be a syndicate.

If it weren't for so many players being victimized by these scams robberto has hatched, it would be funny to watch.


Once it's all settled though, and some time has passed, i have a feeling people will look back at the tow puzzle, and just shake their heads with amazement.


RCS/NO-JUICE/BoS/BetonStars/Bet4Aces, fraudulant "insurance" that was never paid out as promised, on and on and on.

then you get to the BetUS type of scenerio, where robberto is warning anyone who will listen, to stay away "once a crook, always a crook!!", then, 6 days later "TOW WELCOMES BETUS!" ...

then we have the Royal bailouts.. one week, robberto and rpm are making jokes about betroyal, and warning people via mass email bulks, that betroyal is on the verge of collapse... 9 days later, "tow has secured bailouts for BetonStars, thanks to BetRoyal!"

It really is mind boggling, how some people still support this scam outfit.



Definitely the most criminal, yet, entertaining eopisodes i have ever witnessed on these forums.

[isetcap]

UNSCRUPULOUS (un-skroopya-lus) adj.

oblivious to or contemptuous of what is right or honorable