Why was Michael Borne allowed to sign with Cleveland?

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  • Brock Landers
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 06-30-08
    • 45359

    #1
    Why was Michael Borne allowed to sign with Cleveland?


    I don't get why 1)Atlanta didn't resign one of their more important hitters and 2)how he lasted this long unsigned till Cleveland scooped him up.

    thats a hell of a pickup for the tribe!
  • Chi_archie
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-22-08
    • 63172

    #2
    he was one of the Free Agents that got a 1 year 13.3 year qualifying offer from their old team. So that when they turn it down, the old team now gets a 1st round draft pick as compensation from the signing team.

    so Cleveland doesn't just pay the $ they lose a pick.

    that is why he was still around as are others
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    • Brock Landers
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 06-30-08
      • 45359

      #3
      Originally posted by Chi_archie
      he was one of the Free Agents that got a 1 year 13.3 year qualifying offer from their old team. So that when they turn it down, the old team now gets a 1st round draft pick as compensation from the signing team.

      so Cleveland doesn't just pay the $ they lose a pick.

      that is why he was still around as are others
      name some of the other guys still out there....
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82839

        #4
        That's why you are not a GM Brock.
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        • iifold
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 04-25-10
          • 11111

          #5
          I know you have refreshed about 16,000 Braves box scores in the last couple years...

          No excuse to spell his name wrong here...

          Common!!!
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          • Mikeyanks23
            SBR MVP
            • 11-30-10
            • 4517

            #6
            Originally posted by Chi_archie
            he was one of the Free Agents that got a 1 year 13.3 year qualifying offer from their old team. So that when they turn it down, the old team now gets a 1st round draft pick as compensation from the signing team.

            so Cleveland doesn't just pay the $ they lose a pick.

            that is why he was still around as are others
            this and i think hes represented by BORAS
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            • BigDeem5
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-26-11
              • 17191

              #7
              Pumped as a Cleveland fan.
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              • ProfaneReality
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 04-14-09
                • 7607

                #8
                Indians were in unique position where they only had to give up their 3rd rounder. Still a shocking move for the frugal Indians.
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                • ProfaneReality
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 04-14-09
                  • 7607

                  #9
                  Tweet of the night came from Jason Kipnis... "We just signed Michael Bourn?? " "I just went from 6 to midnight!"
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                  • InTheDrink
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-23-09
                    • 23983

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                    That's why you are not a GM Brock.
                    to brock's defense there are about 51,236 other reasons why he's not a gm
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                    • bobby heenan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-20-09
                      • 4120

                      #11
                      it its crazy though how weve seen the value of a first round pick in the mlb rise over the last 8 or so years....kids are being moved so much quicker
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                      • edawg
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-09-11
                        • 2820

                        #12
                        Go Tribe
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                        • gryfyn1
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-30-10
                          • 3285

                          #13
                          Funny comparison:

                          Player A ; age 25-29 692g 290/357/390 223SB 15.2 fWAR
                          Micheal Bourn; age 26-30 749g 272/338/365 257 SB 17.4 fWAR

                          Similar players only player A was a slightly worse defender but a better hitter with better plate discipline - but offers a major lesson in what can happen.
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                          • SBRMAN23
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 01-07-11
                            • 6906

                            #14
                            Originally posted by iifold
                            I know you have refreshed about 16,000 Braves box scores in the last couple years...

                            No excuse to spell his name wrong here...

                            Common!!!
                            Just like he meant to say Bourn did you mean to say "Come on" becuase Common just doesnt make sense unless its a inside joke or something. But hes a nice leadoff hitter im surprised they let him go also. Wasnt like they werent spending tons of money this offseason.
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                            • Chi_archie
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-22-08
                              • 63172

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SBRMAN23
                              Just like he meant to say Bourn did you mean to say "Come on" becuase Common just doesnt make sense unless its a inside joke or something. But hes a nice leadoff hitter im surprised they let him go also. Wasnt like they werent spending tons of money this offseason.

                              yep, inside joke

                              JJGold used to spell it like that unintentionally and it caught on
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                              • face
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-31-11
                                • 14740

                                #16
                                wow indians finally got someone good. great outfielder, better than shelley duncan
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                                • InTheDrink
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-23-09
                                  • 23983

                                  #17
                                  common archer let the guy figure it out on his own
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                                  • iifold
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-25-10
                                    • 11111

                                    #18
                                    Guys like Bourne are a diamond dozen...

                                    As HGH testing improves, more of the "Bourne's" of the world will surface...

                                    No one was jobbed more than my boy Chuck Carr!!!
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                                    • bobby heenan
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-20-09
                                      • 4120

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by iifold
                                      Guys like Bourne are a diamond dozen...

                                      As HGH testing improves, more of the "Bourne's" of the world will surface...

                                      No one was jobbed more than my boy Chuck Carr!!!
                                      oh man chuckie fuckin carr....love it!...guys like chuckie carr are broke while a guy like michael bourn wont have to worry....
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                                      • bobby heenan
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-20-09
                                        • 4120

                                        #20
                                        although if i could die and come back as one player today...it would be dwayne hosey no doubt...not dwayne wade....not dwayne wayne...not dwayne.....dwayne hosey
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                                        • konck
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 10-17-06
                                          • 12554

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                          http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb...2_a8&eref=sihp

                                          I don't get why 1)Atlanta didn't resign one of their more important hitters and 2)how he lasted this long unsigned till Cleveland scooped him up.

                                          thats a hell of a pickup for the tribe!
                                          The guy is an over rated toilet ....I mean if you want to pay 12 mill a yr for 270 with 4 hrs go ahead im glad the Mets backed off. Nice call Brock figures you would like this dik. !2 mill to play def and steal smc
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                                          • Ratpack
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-15-12
                                            • 4133

                                            #22
                                            yeah braves thought he was too old and he was too expensive for a leadoff hitter makes since why they didnt resign
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                                            • Pluthero
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 12-09-09
                                              • 992

                                              #23
                                              The Braves did offer him a qualifying contract which, I believe, was 13.3M for one year. That's why Cleveland has to give up their #69 pick. Boras just had him convinced that he'd get so much more than 4/48 that he turned it down.

                                              It's a great pickup for Cleveland and again goes to show how underrated speed and defense is in the game. They might just compete this year.
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                                              • HilltopTony
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 01-09-10
                                                • 767

                                                #24
                                                Bourn is nothing special. I think Tribe overpaid for him and they lose a draft pick. He probably hits .270 for them and maybe steals 40 bases.

                                                This is one of the problems in sports today. Organizations don't want to take the time to develop players through the draft. Everything they do is for the short term. They are like children and/or heroin addicts in that they are only thinking for today. When this signing goes south they will be lining up next year to sign the next bust.
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                                                • EXhoosier10
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 07-06-09
                                                  • 3122

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                  name some of the other guys still out there....
                                                  I think Kyle Lohse is the only name left

                                                  Originally posted by ProfaneReality
                                                  Indians were in unique position where they only had to give up their 3rd rounder. Still a shocking move for the frugal Indians.
                                                  our



                                                  Overall, Bourn isn't going to put them in a position to win the division, but this should make them a bit more of a possibility for that 2nd WC spot should a few things bounce their way. Bauer turning into an ace, being one of them. Masterson/Ubaldo/Myers is a pretty awful rotation
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                                                  • RubberKettle
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-28-09
                                                    • 6421

                                                    #26
                                                    Michael Bourn was allowed to sign with the tribe because he's not very good /end thread
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                                                    • itchypickle
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-05-09
                                                      • 21452

                                                      #27
                                                      My Braves still take the title this year.
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                                                      • MrPlow456
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 10-16-12
                                                        • 38

                                                        #28
                                                        I'm assuming the braves offered Bourn a similar contract to what they offered BJ Upton, and Boras shut it down. The braves were not going to overpay and as a Braves fan I am glad. Bourn is good, but not that good.
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                                                        • Chi_archie
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-22-08
                                                          • 63172

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Pluthero
                                                          The Braves did offer him a qualifying contract which, I believe, was 13.3M for one year. That's why Cleveland has to give up their #69 pick. Boras just had him convinced that he'd get so much more than 4/48 that he turned it down.

                                                          It's a great pickup for Cleveland and again goes to show how underrated speed and defense is in the game. They might just compete this year.


                                                          12 million/year for 4 years is way better than 13.3 for one, for an aging speedster so Boras did a pretty good job

                                                          Originally posted by MrPlow456
                                                          I'm assuming the braves offered Bourn a similar contract to what they offered BJ Upton, and Boras shut it down. The braves were not going to overpay and as a Braves fan I am glad. Bourn is good, but not that good.

                                                          he was offered 13.3 million for ONE YEAR, Upton got 15 million for 5 years.
                                                          they only offered the 13.3 so they could be sure to get a draft pick as compensation for him. they were 99.9% sure he would turn it down
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                                                          • Capnick
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 02-05-13
                                                            • 831

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb...2_a8&eref=sihp

                                                            I don't get why 1)Atlanta didn't resign one of their more important hitters and 2)how he lasted this long unsigned till Cleveland scooped him up.

                                                            thats a hell of a pickup for the tribe!
                                                            Have you been under a rock? They signed both upton brothers and already have heyward, why would they keep him? After his hot start, he played terrible the final 100 games last season!!!
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                                                            • InTheDrink
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-23-09
                                                              • 23983

                                                              #31
                                                              and now you know why

                                                              fukkin choke...of all the things to not do right there is k
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                                                              • TonyTall
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 08-21-13
                                                                • 3551

                                                                #32
                                                                yeah that was terrible. i was debating whether to make a "really bourne" thread but this will do

                                                                already blew him away first at bat, just make contact bro......
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                                                                • ebelisle22
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 10-27-11
                                                                  • 4726

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Awful
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                                                                  • TonyTall
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 08-21-13
                                                                    • 3551

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i have cobb u6 k's and boourn almost lost the entire bet for me

                                                                    just hit a flyout, which for him is a major success
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