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[DeFactoCrippler]

wanna bets talks about all the good cappers leaving? But this place was a shit hole back in 2010. SO I guess he is talking about luca fury? Dude got himself banned. he didnt leave LOL

The thing is, people like wannabet and others aren't really motivated in the handicapping game by monetary gains. It is strictly about camaraderie for many, and for a few it becomes an attention seeking game.

The reason I say they are not motivated by money is that the amounts put into action are paltry by whichever way you wan to stretch it. Now, I know there are exceptions like the guy who was torn up over $250, but people like this must be pretty rare.

So when people say the "good cappers" left, they don't mean people who were winning handicappers. They meant their "friends" that play this little game of camaraderie and attention seeking along with them.

Imagine if I made a thread and went on an 0-19 streak at any time. I would be utterly crucified. But that is simply because I don't coddle the children and intellectual dwarfs that frequent the internet as a whole. But, if I was a sycophant that went around congratulating anyone for any miniscule achievement, my 0-19 streak would be brushed off as mere "variance". Nobody would say "you could have blindly bet +350 dogs and gone better than 0-19".

[MD]

I have seen you say this before and it seems rather contradictory because you also talk about game theory quite a bit.

If I am trying to beat the "market" how does more people keeping the "market" better educated and informed help me in the slightest way?

The only thing that more people positng picks helps is SBR's traffic. I would really like to hear your thoughts on this, and would be disappointed if you folded as cheaply as you did in Vaughany's thread.

I "folded" because replying to you is only really worth doing if you'll post something entertaining as a reply. That seemed unlikely in Vaughany's thread.

People posting their plays and analysis isn't going to educate anyone. I'll tell you something you probably already know: the ways to profit from handicapping are having inside information which isn't available to the public, or utilizing available information in a way that is superior to the public. No points for guessing whose book that is from.

If the same information is available to everyone, the only way to further educate the market would be to increase their ability to accurately use this information. That's an astoundingly difficult thing for someone to do, even if they're trying to do it. It's the reason that so many bettors fail. I'm sure this isn't news to you. Other people posting their plays, especially, isn't going to affect anything. The reason a guy like Sideloaded can post his plays without expecting to lose profit is because he posts them after the fact and isn't giving away a .pdf on his mindset and cognitive ability. Anyone can tail Sideloaded's picks, no one can recreate his thought processes.

[Vaughany]

The thing is, people like wannabet and others aren't really motivated in the handicapping game by monetary gains. It is strictly about camaraderie for many, and for a few it becomes an attention seeking game.

This is exactly it. That's why I cant help but laugh when he keeps going on about how..."if you want to talk about making some serious money in MMA betting come over to sherdog and talk to me or hit me up on twitter.."!!! How many "serious cappers making serious money" are making videos like this!...Takes it way too seriously! As you say, can't make this shiit up! I should say that I genuinely don't dislike the kid, he's actually a fascinating character much like Gaberz and the internet world would be very boring without them!

[DeFactoCrippler]

I "folded" because replying to you is only really worth doing if you'll post something entertaining as a reply. That seemed unlikely in Vaughany's thread.

You didnt fold to ME, you folded to proplayer. Like a cheap lawn chair.

I'll give you something entertaining and educational at the same time.

The problem with shills is that they have no integrity. I could show BIGDAY a picture of gabe with a dress and makeup on and he would say that is a disgusting turn off.

But if I showed him a pic of a chick who looked just like Gabe wearing a dress, and he would be all over the internet defending her saying he would totally tap that. Saying anyone who wouldnt is gay.

If the same information is available to everyone, the only way to further educate the market would be to increase their ability to accurately use this information. That's an astoundingly difficult thing for someone to do, even if they're trying to do it. It's the reason that so many bettors fail. I'm sure this isn't news to you. Other people posting their plays, especially, isn't going to affect anything. The reason a guy like Sideloaded can post his plays without expecting to lose profit is because he posts them after the fact and isn't giving away a .pdf on his mindset and cognitive ability. Anyone can tail Sideloaded's picks, no one can recreate his thought processes.

You are clearly wrong. You are wrong on the one simple premise that Sideloaded already stated.

If people tail sideloaded's picks and they line moves, which it would if money came on a certain side, this hurts sideloaded.

If people even win money from a sportsbook this hurts everybody except the person who won the money.

But you already know this, you just lack integrity.

Intellectually or otherwise.

[sideloaded]

My official play is KZ at +281 (4U) hedged to Dustin Poirier in Round 1 at +385 (1U)

he hedged his biggest win. lol what a confused soul

[sideloaded]

Notice Wanna Bet's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/user/y0up00?feature=watch

He watches nothing about mma until about 2 years ago. Guy is a total noob.

[MD]

You didnt fold to ME, you folded to proplayer. Like a cheap lawn chair.

I'll give you something entertaining and educational at the same time.

The problem with shills is that they have no integrity. I could show BIGDAY a picture of gabe with a dress and makeup on and he would say that is a disgusting turn off.

But if I showed him a pic of a chick who looked just like Gabe wearing a dress, and he would be all over the internet defending her saying he would totally tap that. Saying anyone who wouldnt is gay.



You are clearly wrong. You are wrong on the one simple premise that Sideloaded already stated.

If people tail sideloaded's picks and they line moves, which it would if money came on a certain side, this hurts sideloaded.

If people even win money from a sportsbook this hurts everybody except the person who won the money.

But you already know this, you just lack integrity.

Intellectually or otherwise.

I like PropPlayer. I know very little about BetIslands and that whole fiasco because I never opened an account there.

If I bet Curran -120 and the line drops to Curran -150 due to my analysis, that can affect me in two ways. There's the way I believe you're implying, which, yes, can get you limited, and it can open up arb opportunities.
I think I've given away too much free information and too many picks to be a shill.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I like PropPlayer. I know very little about BetIslands and that whole fiasco because I never opened an account there.

If I bet Curran -120 and the line drops to Curran -150 due to my analysis, that can affect me in two ways. There's the way I believe you're implying, which, yes, can get you limited, and it can open up arb opportunities.

There are no two ways about it. It only hurts you.

You know this.

But I really would love to hear you explain how telling the forum to bet curran is +EV or helps YOU in any way other than people thinking you are a "nice guy" or "solid capper"? lol

[Vaughany]

Notice Wanna Bet's timeline.

http://www.youtube.com/user/y0up00?feature=watch

He watches nothing about mma until about 2 years ago. Guy is a total noob.

Course he is. He was busy at med school before that!

[DeFactoCrippler]

I like PropPlayer. I know very little about BetIslands and that whole fiasco because I never opened an account there.

If I bet Curran -120 and the line drops to Curran -150 due to my analysis, that can affect me in two ways. There's the way I believe you're implying, which, yes, can get you limited, and it can open up arb opportunities.
I think I've given away too much free information and too many picks to be a shill.

MD, are you really playing dumb here?

If you cap curran at -200 and he is sitting at -120. You make the max bet kelley suggests.

Shouldn't you be praying to god the market moves against curran so you can play him again at -110 and so on

But here you seem to be trying to do the opposite by pushing the "market" to bet curran

[MD]

There are no two ways about it. It only hurts you.

You know this.

But I really would love to hear you explain how telling the forum to bet curran is +EV or helps YOU in any way other than people thinking you are a "nice guy" or "solid capper"? lol

It can hurt me, marginally. It's nothing I'm concerned about, both due to the platform I express my views, and the fact that I'm not concerned with being limited for the most part.

It doesn't. I don't gain anything from it. When I post my plays, they're already down, and hedging is very rare for me. So, no point in getting opinions on them.

[illmatick]

feed the market

retract

wait for them to bite on your subconsciously planted seeds

[MD]

MD, are you really playing dumb here?

If you cap curran at -200 and he is sitting at -120. You make the max bet kelley suggests.

Shouldn't you be praying to god the market moves against curran so you can play him again at -110 and so on

But here you seem to be trying to do the opposite by pushing the "market" to bet curran

Well, to touch upon what I said in my last post, SBR isn't a big enough platform to significantly affect the market with my opinion. There are maybe ten (probably less) people on this forum who think I'm a respectably good 'capper, and maybe five people on this forum who give my opinion significant weight. Even if there were more, that wouldn't concern me in the slightest.

The market did move against me, Curran became available at dog odds. I didn't re-bet it; no need. My initial bet on Curran was substantial enough. I think it's you who's playing dumb here now. What handicapper doesn't factor line movement into their wagering? Sometimes I anticipate it correctly, sometimes incorrectly, but I always attempt to factor it in.

[DeFactoCrippler]

It doesn't. I don't gain anything from it. When I post my plays, they're already down, and hedging is very rare for me. So, no point in getting opinions on them.

Thank you.

So you are saying it helps YOU in no way by posting picks.

Interesting because it helps ME in absolutely no way either. It even HURTS me.

It hurts anyone who wants to get down more on curran, (at highter limits for instance)

but im glad you do it considering in your own words you get "nothing" from it.

But please tell me

So how in any way does "more people posting picks" on SBR helps ANYTHING except for traffic to the forum?

[MD]

Thank you.

So you are saying it helps YOU in no way by posting picks.

Interesting because it helps ME in absolutely no way either. It even HURTS me.

It hurts anyone who wants to get down more on curran, (at highter limits for instance)

but im glad you do it considering in your own words you get "nothing" from it.

But please tell me

So how in any way does "more people posting picks" on SBR helps ANYTHING except for traffic to the forum?

Yes, I gain nothing from it.

It just makes the forum a more enjoyable place to be. I like to read people's picks and predictions. It's entertaining. It's a forum, after all. Plus, if almost all bettors are square, then people such as myself posting predictions shouldn't make a difference. No one here really knows if I'm a good handicapper, or if I've been lucky (or even unlucky) in my plays recently, which accounts for any success or lack thereof that I may have. No one knows if I make a lot of money, or if I make $20 bets. I'm just another name on a forum.

[DeFactoCrippler]

The market did move against me, Curran became available at dog odds. I didn't re-bet it; no need. My initial bet on Curran was substantial enough. I think it's you who's playing dumb here now. What handicapper doesn't factor line movement into their wagering? Sometimes I anticipate it correctly, sometimes incorrectly, but I always attempt to factor it in.

If I cap curran at -200

optimal strategy would suggest i be him up to -200

so if he is at -120 i keep betting until the line -200

if the market moves the line down i bet it back to -200

it is not my fault you are using sub optimal betting strategy

but im glad you try to ruin for those who are

for the sake of forum traffic

[MD]

If I cap curran at -200

optimal strategy would suggest i be him up to -200

so if he is at -120 i keep betting until the line -200

if the market moves the line down i bet it back to -200

it is not my fault you are using sub optimal betting strategy

but im glad you try to ruin for those who are

for the sake of forum traffic

LOL.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Yes, I gain nothing from it.

It just makes the forum a more enjoyable place to be. I like to read people's picks and predictions. It's entertaining. It's a forum, after all.

This is why people question whether or not you are a shill, considering you take the traffic into such account, not to mention trying to drum up support to quell criticism of sbr. ect

In any case you obviously aren't concerned with protecting whatever who are making from handicapping, it actually seems as if your utmost concern here is

1. traffic

2. inane discussion

[BigDeem5]

BigDay, i got kids man.. wtf.

[MD]

If I cap curran at -200

optimal strategy would suggest i be him up to -200

so if he is at -120 i keep betting until the line -200

if the market moves the line down i bet it back to -200

it is not my fault you are using sub optimal betting strategy

but im glad you try to ruin for those who are

for the sake of forum traffic

I use near-optimal betting strategy. Also, why the interest in me in particular for wanting others to post plays? BIGDAY wants others to post plays, as do Vaughany (I think... probably), and DirtyX, to name a few that I've seen mention the same thing. I never post my wager amounts (in dollars), so for all you know I'm just wagering my $50 lunch money on poorly thought out plays. Statistically, it's best to assume that I am.

[MD]

This is why people question whether or not you are a shill, considering you take the traffic into such account, not to mention trying to drum up support to quell criticism of sbr. ect

In any case you obviously aren't concerned with protecting whatever who are making from handicapping, it actually seems as if your utmost concern here is

1. traffic

2. inane discussion

If I were trying to act in SBR's best interests, I would never have mentioned criticisms of SBR, on SBR. I know you didn't actually think I was being serious in those posts.
Also, in case you don't pay attention, I also started a thread asking why Tony Williams is such a c-nt, which was swiftly moved from the MMA section, and I received an infraction, despite using much worse terms in the past, and seeing others being far more derogatory. What sort of SBR rep would do that?

My primary concerns are enjoyment, and learning where possible.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I use near-optimal betting strategy.

This is the problem. There is no "near optimal"

there is perfect and imperfect

you are not betting properly because you either do not have the bankroll or the risk tolerance to do it.

which is a little odd considering the peanuts we are limited to

but why must you insist on ruing it for others?

If you had a financial interest in the traffic to this forum i would understand completely

if you were one of this fig kids who get off when somebody made the same bet as them i would understand

but other than that i just cant understand the purpose of it

Also, why the interest in me in particular for wanting others to post plays? BIGDAY wants others to post plays, as do Vaughany (I think... probably), and DirtyX, to name a few that I've seen mention the same thing. I never post my wager amounts (in dollars), so for all you know I'm just wagering my $50 lunch money on poorly thought out plays. Statistically, it's best to assume that I am.

When you first came here you claimed o bet this fighter X HUGE (as you put it) at PaddyPower. Now, eiher that was the first bet you ever placed there or

1. you think 10$ is HUGE

2. you are a prolific loser who they have not limited

3. you are schilling for paddy

4. you never placed the bet

[Grabaka]

The thing is, people like wannabet and others aren't really motivated in the handicapping game by monetary gains. It is strictly about camaraderie for many, and for a few it becomes an attention seeking game.

The reason I say they are not motivated by money is that the amounts put into action are paltry by whichever way you wan to stretch it. Now, I know there are exceptions like the guy who was torn up over $250, but people like this must be pretty rare.

So when people say the "good cappers" left, they don't mean people who were winning handicappers. They meant their "friends" that play this little game of camaraderie and attention seeking along with them.

Imagine if I made a thread and went on an 0-19 streak at any time. I would be utterly crucified. But that is simply because I don't coddle the children and intellectual dwarfs that frequent the internet as a whole. But, if I was a sycophant that went around congratulating anyone for any miniscule achievement, my 0-19 streak would be brushed off as mere "variance". Nobody would say "you could have blindly bet +350 dogs and gone better than 0-19".

[MD]

This is the problem. There is no "near optimal"

there is perfect and imperfect

you are not betting properly because you either do not have the bankroll or the risk tolerance to do it.

which is a little odd considering the peanuts we are limited to

but why must you insist on ruing it for others?

If you had a financial interest in the traffic to this forum i would understand completely

if you were one of this fig kids who get off when somebody made the same bet as them i would understand

but other than that i just cant understand the purpose of it



When you first came here you claimed o bet this fighter X HUGE (as you put it) at PaddyPower. Now, eiher that was the first bet you ever placed there or

1. you think 10$ is HUGE

2. you are a prolific loser who they have not limited

3. you are schilling for paddy

4. you never placed the bet

I'd love for you to explain to me how to achieve a perfect betting strategy, DeFacto. I've got all the time in the world for this. Please, go ahead and do that. You've already shown that you don't know as much as you think you do with your ridiculous claims on re-betting line movement.

Few things about your second point. First of all, every wager you make at a book can be the first wager you make there if you're a truly profitable, higher echelon gambler. I've been on Paddy since before I joined SBR, so it wasn't the first wager I made there. I may not have been limited at the time though.

1. Yes, maybe I think $10 is a huge wager and it is a huge portion of my bankroll. It's either that, or I re-bet it when the line changed repeatedly and/or bet it at another book. Or something in between. You decide.
2. Very possible.
3. Unlikely.
4. Possible, but unlikely.

[opie1988]

The fukk is all this nonsense?

Take this bizarre shit to the MMA forum.

PT is reserved for normal people.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I'd love for you to explain to me how to achieve a perfect betting strategy, DeFacto. I've got all the time in the world for this. Please, go ahead and do that. You've already shown that you don't know as much as you think you do with your ridiculous claims on re-betting line movement

Thats the thing you ALWAYS have plenty of time for traffic or inane chatter.

That is unless you are asked to refute proplayer lol

hit me up by pm bro will explain there

[MD]

The fukk is all this nonsense?

Take this bizarre shit to the MMA forum.

PT is reserved for normal people.

This thread is in both sections.

[MD]

Thats the thing you ALWAYS have plenty of time for traffic or inane chatter.

That is unless you are asked to refute proplayer lol

hit me up by pm bro will explain there

I love me some inane chatter bro. Can't get enough of it.

I have nothing to refute about ProPlayer's points. I don't even know anything about the BetIsland's fiasco, just that they closed, were highly rated by SBR, and kept players funds. No idea if he's right or wrong.

Will do.

[Vaughany]

The fukk is all this nonsense?

Take this bizarre shit to the MMA forum.

PT is reserved for normal people.

Not sure if serious or saying that for comedic effect?

[opie1988]

Not sure if serious or saying that for comedic effect?

100% on the latter.

I'm just screwing around, boys.

E-battle with impunity!

[Grabaka]

They feel normal amongst each other.

[Vaughany]

100% on the latter.

I'm just screwing around, boys.

E-battle with impunity!

lol thank God!

[GunShard]

The thing is, people like wannabet and others aren't really motivated in the handicapping game by monetary gains. It is strictly about camaraderie for many, and for a few it becomes an attention seeking game.

When I made this following thread, it was to help other gamblers on monetary gains:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/boxing-mma-ufc-betting/1809106-renan-barao-185-defeat-urijah-faber.html

Yea, people that wants the attention seeking game are people who puts a picture of themselves on their image avatar like Luca Fury and people who record themselves by video like JJgold.

They are egotistical attention whores.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Yea, people that wants the attention seeking game are people who puts a picture of themselves on their image avatar like Luca Fury and people who record themselves by video like JJgold.

Not to defend Fury, because he is a fig and if I ever see him his bare ass will become better aquianted with my gucci belt, but the reason he does this is for financial gain.

His "attention whoring" makes him money, and at the end of the day we all have to eat and I can atleast understand his motivations .

Why wannabet does it when he claims to make 300k a year or whatever is beyond me.

[Vaughany]

When I made this following thread, it was to help other gamblers on monetary gains:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/boxing-mma-ufc-betting/1809106-renan-barao-185-defeat-urijah-faber.html

Yea, people that wants the attention seeking game are people who puts a picture of themselves on their image avatar like Luca Fury and people who record themselves by video like JJgold.

They are egotistical attention whores.

wooaaa wait a minute, you saying that that's not you in your avatar brah?