all jews thinks gentiles are buffoons and idiots. go on deny it now.
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In 2003, journalist Peter Hounam wrote Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III, which proposes a completely different theory regarding the incident. In an attempt to explain why there was no support by U.S. forces as backup, Hounam claims that Israel and U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson had secretly agreed on day four of the Six Day War that Liberty would be sunk with complete loss of life. The attack would be blamed on Egypt, allowing the U.S. in turn to attack Egypt, thus helping out Israel. However, according to Hounam's theory, because the Liberty did not sink after two hours, the plan was quickly reversed, Israel apologized for the case of mistaken identity, and a cover-up put into place. Likewise the BBC documentary (2002) claims that the Liberty incident provoked the launch of nuclear-armed planes targeted against Cairo from a US aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. They were recalled only just in time, when it was clear the Liberty had not sunk with all hands, and that Israel was responsible.
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Yeah, and The CIA and LBJ had Kennedy killed, the US sunk the USS Maine in order to start the Spanish-American War. While we are on the subject of conspiracies, how about area 51 and roswell? Besides eating Matzoh balls, I also kill christian babies so I can get their blood to make Matzah for Passover. Oh, I gotta run and put on my mask to cover my horns.Comment -
Right, because the U.S. government has never done anything like that in the past, right?
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SCANNING THE SKIESOriginally posted by szk1983
The U.S. Government had posted the Liberty off the coast of Gaza, in international waters, to monitor developments in the region during the Six-Day War. (The Liberty's mission will be discussed in detail below.) At dawn 8 June, Israeli aircraft began reconnoitering the ship, some flying so close that the pilots could clearly be seen, and as low as masthead height, obviously photographing it. This extensive observation lasted seven hours and involved eight separate observations, at about 0600, 0900, 1000, 1030, 1100, and 1130, 1200 and 1215 p.m. U.S. intercept stations twice overheard Israeli pilots reporting that the ship was American. The visibility conditions were perfect; the ship's American flag was flying free and clear in a good breeze.
At 1400 a well coordinated attack by jet aircraft and torpedo boats began. Jets hammered the virtually unarmed ship with cannon and rockets, and napalmed it. Its forward machineguns were wiped out in the first firing pass, and whatever transmitting antennas survived that pass were disabled by the second. Nine minutes into the attack, crewmen jury-rigged a transmitter to an antenna. But the radiomen discovered that four out of five of the ship's radio frequencies, including the international distress frequency, were being jammed. Ironically, the only time Liberty could transmit was while the jets were firing their missiles. A frantic cry for help was sent to the Sixth Fleet, only 400 miles away and off Crete; despite the Israeli jamming, the Liberty's plea for assistance was received. The patchwork transmitting arrangement ceased functioning soon afterward.
Torpedo boats soon arrived and continued the attack, firing five torpedoes, with one hitting and killing 25 men. They then leisurely circled the defenseless ship for 40 minutes, pumping hundreds of 40mm, 20mm, and 50cal. rounds at wounded men on deck, stretcher bearers and fire fighters. Thinking the ship was about to sink, the crew threw life rafts over the side; the attackers machine-gunned those too. With increased radio activity from the U.S. Sixth Fleet indicating an impending U.S. response (many of the Fleet's messages bore "Flash" precedence), the Israelis suddenly contacted the U.S. embassy and informed it of this "accident." It was probably the longest "accidental" attack in the history of naval warfare an hour and 15 minutes.
Two separate flights of jets from the carriers America and Saratoga were recalled by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, the first flight probably because Washington was not absolutely certain of the attackers' identity and was leery of starting a war with the Russians if they were the guilty party. The second flight was recalled after receipt of the Israeli explanation.
MORE EVIDENCE OF GUILT
In addition to the abovementioned circumstances which show that Israel's attack was deliberate the lengthy and careful surveillance, the radio jamming, etc. numerous other details belie Israel's professed innocence. They include: * The Israelis initially claimed they had "mistaken" the Liberty for the Egyptian ship El Quseir. But the El Quseir was only 40 percent the size of Liberty (4000 vs. 10,400 tons). The El Quseir was an old, rustedout horse transport that bore about as much resemblance to the Liberty as a rusty VW does to a new Cadillac. The Liberty was arrayed with numerous specialized antennas, and an ultramodern (for 1967) 16foot microwave dish, a device possessed by no other ship in the world except her sister ship Belmont. She bore standard U.S. Navy markings, which included a freshly painted 10foothigh hull number, and Liberty on the stern.
* The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty's frequencies and no others.
Afterward, in one of their ever changing explanations, the Israelis claimed to have learned the ship's identity when they heard its distress signals. But the attack continued for sixty six minutes after the first distress signal, which the Israelis had jammed, was sent. Had this particular Israeli claim been true, they would have recalled the torpedo boats before they even reached the ship.
* The Israelis claimed that the ship's U.S. flag hung limp because there was no wind. Later, when presented with the fact that the flag had been perfectly visible, they claimed that they thought that the ship was an enemy vessel flying false colors. The extended radio monitoring, exposing considerable advance investigation of Liberty's communication facilities, refutes this claim.
* The Israelis claimed that the torpedo boats, after first sighting the ship, had called in the aircraft to attack after the ship refused to identify itself. This is an obvious lie, because the attack was clearly a preplanned and well coordinated onetwo punch employing different branches of the Israeli Defense Forces. The jets were already intent on attacking the ship before the Liberty came into the torpedo boats' radar range. Directly contradicting themselves, the Israelis later claimed that their aircraft had called in the torpedo boats.
* The Israelis eventually admitted that before the attack, their commanders had compared reconnaissance photos of the Liberty with Jane's Fighting Ships. But they claimed that before the attack they twice telephoned the U.S. naval attache in Tel Aviv inquiring whether the Liberty was a U.S. ship and were told that there were no U.S. Navy ships in the area. They claimed that having received a negative reply, they decided that the ship had to be the El Quseir. However, the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, and later the naval attache, emphatically stated that no such inquiries were made. The Israelis not only knew the ship's nationality and that she was an "ELINT" ship; they also knew she was the Liberty herself.
* Immediately preceding the attack, an Israeli pilot recognized Liberty as a U.S. ship and radioed this information to IDF headquarters. He was instructed to attack anyway. This dialogue was intercepted at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter revealed the existence of this intercept in 1991.
* Finally, there is evidence, circumstantial but clear, of a relationship between the attack on the Liberty and a postponement of Israel's planned attack on the Golan Heights. The Golan attack was scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on 8 June; the Liberty was spotted by 6 a.m. or earlier; lastminute orders delayed the Golan attack; the Liberty was put out of commission; and the Golan attack occurred shortly thereafter. The vaunted IDF made very few mistakes in that war.
After the attack Secretary of State Dean Rusk recommended a strong response, and Presidential Counselor Clark Clifford advised President Johnson to treat Israel in the same manner as the U.S. would treat the Soviets or the Arabs if they had committed the atrocity. The U.S. would certainly not have taken this insult in silence had the offender been any country but Israel. But President Johnson stoically accepted Israel's explanation. The Navy conducted a Court of Inquiry, which ignored and even suppressed testimony that the attack had been deliberate; it dealt only with the actions and performance of the Liberty crew. State Department legal advisor Carl Salans performed an assessment of Israel's official explanation; with only the Navy's highly incomplete and erroneous preliminary investigation to go on, he thoroughly discredited the Israeli Government's claims of innocent error. The logical next step was to confront the Israelis with his findings, but that was not done. The U.S. Government's inaction was completely out of keeping with the outrageousness of the attack.
What was Israel's motive for this act? The scheduling of the Israeli assault on the Golan Heights for 8 June was a move to defeat an intense effort in the United Nations to halt the war, a ceasefire having been scheduled for 9 June. Such pressure was also being applied by the U.S. Government. The IDF leaders were under pressure to acquire the Golan before the ceasefire was imposed, preferably without being labeled the aggressor (as in 1956 when Israel had colluded with Britain and France to attack Egypt). But with all the pressure to attack Syria, and after all the hurried preparations to do so, the Golan attack was suddenly called off within hours of its scheduled commencement. Why? Obviously, someone in the IDF leadership feared the Liberty might intercept some of the many signals then filling the air that would expose Israel's preparations for invasion. They might then be forced into a ceasefire before they conquered the coveted territory.Comment -
Pavy,
You clearly have a firm stand on this, and you are too close-minded to listen to anything else that might disrupt your feelings on the subject, so what's the point in arguing? For every article you show that says Israel was guilty as sin in this attack, you can find 5 articles that say they were not. But you probably just skip over those articles. Continue to believe whatever you want.Comment -
yea you do that. whole world stops spinning without you. what a joke.Originally posted by szk1983
surprised you do not take credit for the sun rising. another invention.Comment -
Take credit for another invention? That video was 100 percent accurate. Don't be jealous if your white trash ass has not contributed anything to society.Comment -
The bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactors in the early 80s when the UN didn't have the stomach to do something about it. They'll bomb Iran's nuclear facilities if they keep working on the bomb.Originally posted by Dark HorseIsrael an ally?
What have they ever done for America? Other than arrogantly manipulate public and political opinion by branding anyone who would dare to criticize Israel an 'anti-semite'? Other than dance on the banks of the Hudson river against the background of the collapsed Twin Towers? What have they ever done for balance in the Middle East?
"By way of deception thou shalt do war." That is the credo of the Mossad. Translated: always make it look like someone else did it. With friends like that, who needs enemies?Comment -
Finally, someone who is not retarded. Thanks Justin.Comment -
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Who's going to bomb Israel's nuclear facilities? First to do will solve all the problems in the Middle East.Originally posted by Justin7Comment -
I hope Iran tries to destroy Israel's nuclear facility. Israel would be bombed back to the stone age.Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
Israel already has the bomb. Iran with a bomb would not destabilize the Middle East. Quite the contrary, I believe. No longer could Israel act like the bully on the block.Originally posted by Justin7
Of course, Israel will do everything to paint Iran in the worst light. Didn't take them long to find the new Hitler. Again. After Saddam. That was fast...Comment -
Wasn't it Iran that said the holocaust never happened? And that they want to erase Iran from the map?Originally posted by Dark HorseComment -
Judging from these posts, half the people in this thread probably would agree that the holocaust never happened.Comment -
That is how it was reported by the media. Not what their new 'Hitler' really said though.Originally posted by Justin7
He's been asked about this and it came down to:
1) Let's investigate the holocaust. (I don't know what his purpose would be, other than questioning the actual number of deaths).
2) He doesn't recognize Israel, because the holocaust was a European problem and Europeans decided to give Israel that land. (He's got a point. Let's just hope no Chinese ever decide to give Texas to gypsies.)
He also suggested, for the record, that Israel was complicit in 9/11, but the media have not jumped on that ...
With all the Hitlers the neocons/zionist have unearthed lately, I would suggest a poker adage: "if you can't tell who the Hitler is after five years in the Middle East, guess what... "Comment -
by "Iran" do you mean Ahmadinejad and few crazy Imams?
This like saying "Wasn't it America that said..." based on what Pat f'king Robertson said.Comment -
What does Israel have to do with the holocaust? The Jewish Euros needed a place to live after WWII and sailed on a boat to steal the land of the Palaistinians. Why didn't they settle to North Dakota instead? I bet you the local economy would have welcomed them with open arms.Comment -
Justin,Originally posted by Justin7
Iran never said it. They did host a conference of scholars and political types who claim that certain aspects of the story was exagerrated. (Most Americans, for instance, are convinced that gas chambers were in every Nazi camp, but the leading Israeli scholar of the Holocaust - his name escapes me, he died recently - said they existed only in Auschwitz, which was conveniently behind the Iron Curtain for decades)
Second, the president of Iran (who really does not hold the power there, the top mullahs do) never said that Israel will be
"wiped off the map."
Univ or Michigan professor of history, Juan Cole, a top MidEast scholar properly translated the speech, in which the Iran president quoted the founder of modern Iran, Khomeini.
Cole, fluent in Farsi, translated it as saying something like "one day the state of Israel will disappear from the pages of history."
Nothing about "wiping off the map." It was rhetorical, like our Cold War pols stating (correctly, it turns out) that one day the Soviet Union will dissolve.
Or that anti-apartheid activists used to talk about the end of South Africa. Ahdeminajad (spelled wrong probably) was referring to that scenario.
If I knew you I'd bet you a dime that we could take the original speech in Farsi to a professional translation service and it will be rendered in the exact way Cole did.
And btw, Cole is no friend of the Iranian regime. He says they've imprisoned and killed some of his colleagues over the years. But he has a distaste for propagandistic lies.
Shame on the American press for the constant re-iteration of this fable. The story line is: the poor Israelis are victims. You don't have to read Jimmy Carter's book to know the facts are otherwise.
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The crew members of the U.S.S. Liberty DEBATE THAT... The captain came to Toledo to give a speech about it back in the 80's so try again on your so called "facts"...Originally posted by szk1983
No I don't how about sharing all these inventions with us I don't feel like watching a video...Originally posted by szk1983
This is a CLEAR example of how stupid this moron is... Why do people classify "Jews" as a race..?Originally posted by szk1983
JEWS ARE NOT A F*CKIN' RACE PEOPLE GET THIS THROUGH YOUR F*CKIN' THICK HEAD!!!!
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Good post.Originally posted by ritehook
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I don't use articles. I use facts. Which part of attacking an unarmed, clearly US flagged vessle for 1 hr and 15 minutes using aerial and naval means as wells as jamming devices you didn't understand?Originally posted by szk1983
One stray shot is an "accident". Multiple and repeated attacks is an assault and the loss of dozens of US lives is a crime against the humanity worse than the holocaust.Comment -
If you honestly feel that the loss of dozens of US lies is worse than the loss of six million jews, than there is nothing more to talk about. You are clearly an idiot, end of story.Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
Shamswoof,
You don't want to watch the video because it would be detrimental to your argument? Your loss.Comment -
I don't care how many Jews died in WWII. Millions of Christian civilians died from starvation, execution and torture in every European country conquered by the Nazis. You don't see these countries glorifying their dead or demanding immunity for crimes against the humanity like the Israelis do. As far as I am concerned getting killed by torture, starvation or execution by the Nazis in Italy, Russia, France or Greece as civilians in no different than dying in a concentration camp.Originally posted by szk1983Comment -
Probably why nobody cares about what you are concerned with. If you think that what the nationals of the countries that the Nazis conquered can compare to being placed in death camps, tortured, and sent to gas chambers, than once again, you are a moron.Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
And they received a country for their suffering... Yet keep milking it for all its worth. Get over it. And stop placing Israel above any and all criticism by attacking critics as antisemitic. It's pathetic and absurd, and gives the zionists a blank check for their crimes against humanity. Remember Jenin.Comment -
The Nazi bullets are the same no matter where they were used. Mass graves of civilians were found in every country the Nazis conquered. It's only the US media that cried out about the "holocaust" and selectively chosen to glorify the suffering of the Jews but chose to ignore the millions of civilians died in every other European country like their sacrifice meant nothing.Originally posted by szk1983Comment -
Why would I watch it when I don't think it's worth while since I think Israeli's are WHITE PEOPLE so there is no reason for you to d*ck wave!!! I am originally from the country right above it and I look as white as wonder bread..Originally posted by szk1983
As far as 6 million jews being killed... well it wasn't anywhere close to that figure and I would be surprised if it was over 100K... The ones that died did not die in vain because as I said before they were used as lab rats so I would think the knowledge gained dwarfed the benefits gained (starting a new country) from the propaganda of 6 million jews being killed...
There was supposedly a Jew named Harold Rosenthal (I JOCK this dude) who in 1976 gave an interview and in the interview he says:
"We are god's chosen people . . . Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- so I wasn't lying -- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
I believe he is right however there is a MAJOR counterdiction here and that is JEWS and Lucifer as I mentioned before...
I do agree though the Luciferians are the chosen people meaning they are chosen by Lucifer to do what Lucifer set out to do... Correct me if I am wrong here boys because I don't know religion well but don't the three major religions believe Lucifer is a fallin' angel and Lucifer vowed to do something where humans were concerned.. maybe manipulate the people away from God...?
Who knows what Lucifers deal was.?
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