SBR_John - Admin - Staff & Mods any comment ? Your BI Sheet

**Iwinyourmoney** · 12-22-12, 12:59 AM

It's not fake or made up. Check the list.
I'm bi3876. Everyone knows my name is Jeff. And all I had left was a $12 future bet. And it says my balance foreward is $12....

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Right now it stands to reason that only John should respond. Of course I'm partial to Shari and would love to hear her take on it because she's by far one of the most logical thinkers at SBR but this isn't her mess to contend with and I'm not sure why I'm not seeing more from her but I can respect it.

She took a lot of it last night in thread with kid who wanted his account deleted.

**Cuse0323** · 12-22-12, 01:02 AM

The more SBR talks the more they contradict themselves and bury deeper and deeper. Keep it up guys.

**boeing power** · 12-22-12, 01:05 AM

Cliff notes :

John : we never knew BI was in trouble until the very end

Justin7: admitted losing 85k but no big deal

Bill: the list that Justin admitted to losing 85k, was fake

Bill: we knew BI was finished about 5 days before the end

Unreal.

**Microphone** · 12-22-12, 01:07 AM

Oops! We ran into some problems.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3354194

**MonkeyF0cker** · 12-22-12, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is the first time we've seen this list but BI Jon stated personally that it's faked and there was never a category called "SBRmod". We see what you see above.

Wow, Bill. Why would you say that? You know that account list is verifiable by posters here - even though it may be incomplete (which is actually worse for you). And why would you openly admit that you're maintaining a dialogue with Jon?

Jeez.

**nikossf** · 12-22-12, 01:18 AM

When you refer that many people to one book...All parties involved should be held accountable.

If I went to my local and said I had a buddy wanting to join. If my buddy stiffed this local I would be held accountable...RIGHT!!!!???

Im calling BULLSHIT RIGHT NOW!! SBR knew about this shitty book. Way before.. They say in SBRJon's. "Official statement" he didnt know until sunday... BULLSHIT!! Calling it now...

Also,..if BetIslands was a small forum sponsor why would this book get bumped up to a B rating so quick!!! Within months everyone and their mom from SBR was touting this shitty place...Small sponsor huh?? Being bumped up to the top of the list book within such a short time when you admit now the only good thing you saw was good CS...Theres some money moving hands here obviously!!

With such a huge amount of clients being referred to from SBR I highly doubt SBR just sat back and said we'll be ok with your small forum donations... BULLSHIT!! These SBR greedy penetrates were in it just as much!!

DONT CALL THE KETTLE BLACK JUST YET SBR!!!! ADMIT YOUR FAULTS AND RESPECT YOUR PLAYERS!! penetrate THESE BOOKS!! Your supposed to be protecting and helping us...not waiting till we turn around and stab us in the back!!

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Wow, Bill. Why would you say that? You know that account list is verifiable by posters here - even though it may be incomplete (which is actually worse for you). And why would you openly admit that you're maintaining a dialogue with Jon?

Jeez.

1. I think he meant that the categories were faked. If he meant the data itself was faked... yeah, that is not possible.

2. It's pretty obvious Jon is a friend of theirs.

When SBR announced that BI was going to close and steal the players' funds, they said it was estimated that player balances were about $1.5M. LOL, wonder where they got that figure from.

**propplayer** · 12-22-12, 01:21 AM

Bill, first I have soooo much on you, you probably want to give up the act quickly here. I've been rather respectful so far, but your lies and dishonesty tempt me.

For everyone else: I edited and wrote several portions of that post. Anyone have questions?

**paranoyd androyd** · 12-22-12, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by opie1988

Damn right he is. And so is Walker.

No way those 2 guys sat around not caring if posters got hurt. I'll never believe that for one second.

I know them both, and that's not who they are.

be careful of overzealously throwing your support beyond anyone in life, much less those in such an industry.

**tto827** · 12-22-12, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by propplayer

Bill, first I have soooo much on you, you probably want to give up the act quickly here. I've been rather respectful so far, but your lies and dishonesty tempt me.

For everyone else: I edited and wrote several portions of that post. Anyone have questions?

No one is going to listen to you unless you are on your usual account. Fukkin pathetic that people cannot even stand behind a username.

**propplayer** · 12-22-12, 01:23 AM

I also have 98% of all posts made since the Heritage instance scraped and digital verified. If anyone has questions on deleted or edit threads including the ones altered today I can answer those questions too given some time.

**propplayer** · 12-22-12, 01:23 AM

People know me here. I'm prop.

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by tto827

No one is going to listen to you unless you are on your usual account. Fukkin pathetic that people cannot even stand behind a username.

The wannabe mod is back flexing his 19 year old muscles

**The Kraken** · 12-22-12, 01:27 AM

I am still laughing that he quotes Jon as if Jon has even a sliver of credibility here anymore. Simply unreal.

**paranoyd androyd** · 12-22-12, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by tto827

No one is going to listen to you unless you are on your usual account. Fukkin pathetic that people cannot even stand behind a username.

no one listens to pathetic shills like you, be gone with yourself.

**MonkeyF0cker** · 12-22-12, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

1. I think he meant that the categories were faked. If he meant the data itself was faked... yeah, that is not possible.

2. It's pretty obvious Jon is a friend of theirs.

When SBR announced that BI was going to close and steal the players' funds, they said it was estimated that player balances were about $1.5M. LOL, wonder where they got that figure from.

The headings are inconsequential. He said the list was faked. Even if Jon is a friend of theirs, they probably shouldn't be admitting it publicly right now as it tends to lead to some pretty nasty assumptions.

**boeing power** · 12-22-12, 01:29 AM

“Yes, I stole every penny that you had, and you’ve got to dive into a Dumpster to get a meal, but, you know, that’s the past, get over it."

Bernie Madoff

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:29 AM

Prop, just a heads up... tto827 pretends to be uninvolved in any of this but is likely a ghost/friend/relative of someone from SBR. Or less likely, Betislands...

You can just ignore him. That's what we all do.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

The headings are inconsequential. He said the list was faked. Even if Jon is a friend of theirs, they probably shouldn't be admitting it publicly right now as it tends to lead to some pretty nasty assumptions.

Hey, I agree Jon is scum and was clearly in the wrong. I'm just saying it's clear they were in bed with Jon and still are. Bill Dozer's defense of Jon from last night was just absurd. If they're not friends, then Jon has enough proof of SBR malfeasance to blackmail them into towing his party line.

**JasonDC** · 12-22-12, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by paranoyd androyd

no one listens to pathetic shills like you, be gone with yourself.

Yesterday this kid said he wasn't sure OJ Simpson was a murderer because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers..i stopped reading his posts after that.

**tto827** · 12-22-12, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

Prop, just a heads up... tto827 pretends to be uninvolved in any of this but is likely a ghost/friend/relative of someone from SBR. Or less likely, Betislands...

You can just ignore him. That's what we all do.

Holy fukk you people think this world is one little circle and everything is connected. Every time someone disagrees with you they have an agenda? You want SBR to crash and burn, you must be a shill for ***************. See how fukkin dumb that sounds?

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

The headings are inconsequential. He said the list was faked. Even if Jon is a friend of theirs, they probably shouldn't be admitting it publicly right now as it tends to lead to some pretty nasty assumptions.

The article makes some claims about SBR's probable affiliate deals and attempts to discern what the headings mean. Bill seems to be seizing on this one minute point to claim the article is "wrong".

**paranoyd androyd** · 12-22-12, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by JasonDC

Yesterday this kid said he wasn't sure OJ Simpson was a murderer because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers..i stopped reading his posts after that.

sounds like you're using common sense, good for you bud.

**tto827** · 12-22-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by JasonDC

Yesterday this kid said he wasn't sure OJ Simpson was a murderer because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers..i stopped reading his posts after that.

I haven't read about it, haven't seen the evidence, just like this scenario, I know everyone thinks he's guilty, doesn't mean he is, and I actually said I don't know whether he is or isn't.

Remember the Duke Lax team everyone, you guys would have already hanged each and every one of them. Everyone and their sister thought they were guilty, but oh wait, they weren't.

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by tto827

Holy fukk you people think this world is one little circle and everything is connected. Every time someone disagrees with you they have an agenda? You want SBR to crash and burn, you must be a shill for ***************. See how fukkin dumb that sounds?

There's a huge difference between accountability and wanting them to crash an burn. Each post makes you look like a bigger Fukkin idiot

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:37 AM

Prop, I am listed under the SBRMod2 heading. I was not referred by a moderator.

What makes you think "Mod" is "Moderator" there as opposed to something like "Modified"?

I posted in this thread an alternate theory as to what that last grouping could be.

**boeing power** · 12-22-12, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by tto827

And I will stand by that.... I haven't read about it, haven't seen the evidence, just like this scenario, I know everyone thinks he's guilty, doesn't mean he is.

Remember the Duke Lax team everyone, you guys would have already hanged each and every one of them. Everyone and their sister thought they were guilty, but oh wait, they weren't.

Dude,

If you're really 19 turn off the computer and go get laid.

It's Friday night ffs.

**sickler** · 12-22-12, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is the best Christmas present a scam sportsbook owner has ever received. These stories are from Robbie (Zach) M\*\*\*\*\*\* and his ************ which promoted his Apex Sportsbook. Apex Sportsbook closed with player funds and SBR quoted him as saying he had some of the player funds but wouldn't pay because he wouldn't be able to start another venture. We followed him with that for about 5 years until he paid some of the guys who were still contactable... This was the same site that wrote Heritage was an SBR scam with his America s Bookie banner inside and where the "bailout" email spam came from this week. He's been angry for a lot of years and loving watching guys react to his "coverage". We aren't going to be baited each time someone posts a quote from a bad neighborhood site like this.

This is the first time we've seen this list but BI Jon stated personally that it's faked and there was never a category called "SBRmod". We see what you see above. Regardless what of it is their real log, every site tracks campaign referrals in groups of users. It's how a Matchbook and even a Fanduel decides internally to renew. It's how all traffic is tracked including traffic from http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/odds and even Amazon's internal software. It's what changes after you select the "where did you hear about us" dropdown on most sites that have a signup.

It's been years since a site SBR and posters considered decent has failed and two in over a decade. Many more well regarded books have been pulled down, some temporarily for missteps with players or slow-paying. Books like BetOnSports and recently America s Bookie have offered to pay to be here. The posting board is about 25% of the SBR network and BI was about 1/20th of the sponsor here. It doesn't make business sense to risk reputation and not how a site is successful long term.

There is always going to be a conflict of interest when sites have "featured products". We know that which is why there are about 50 tools here to research what aspects are important to you. BI wasn't the #1 book, it wasn't even top 10 or top 40. But, it was a lot of poster's #1. It was a B book that started out doing things right but it was new. It will be the last B book.

We know now once the owner was out, in this case but not always, it was over. There was nothing players could have gained a week earlier had we taken them off the forum and of course nothing was gained by SBRforum. To my knowledge one could not signup. Unfortunately, a good in-tact brand wasn't enough for those in control to continue.

Bill, since we're supposed to take BI's word as gospel, what do you have to say about this?

"Jon has recently reached out to **************. He claims SBR was aware of BetIslands insolvency for almost 6 weeks. He claims Bill Dozer said "Keep going as long as you can". Although we cannot verify this claim provided by him we feel gamblers who lost money have the right to know this information. If SBR didn’t know they should have known. Half the industry in Costa Rica knew weeks ago, and seems odd to even suggest SBR did not. Jon also claimed to us he was never the real owner of BetIslands."

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:38 AM

Just ignore tto.

I would put him on ignore if I could remember how.

**The Kraken** · 12-22-12, 01:40 AM

Prop, I have a question.

do you know who the investor is that pulled out of BI a few months ago?

**tto827** · 12-22-12, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Vegas39

There's a huge difference between accountability and wanting them to crash an burn. Each post makes you look like a bigger Fukkin idiot

Vegas, my only agenda here is to support SBR so that factual claims can be made by both sides. When the angry mob posts flat out lies, such as this

Originally posted by cockblocker

From Bangthebook sportsbook review site Nov. 11 2012

BetIslands was established in San Jose, Costa Rica in 1998, However after a series of DOS attacks, lost processing capabilities we have determined that Bet Islands can no longer payout individuals.

http://www.bangthebook.com/sportsbook-review/blacklist-sportsbooks.php

Proven false if you click this link.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk &gl=au

We get no closer to the bottom of it. If everyone here could post intelligently and ask SBR to answer questions, as opposed to trying to squash them into oblivion, SBR might actually be able to give a reasonable response.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Prop, I have a question.

do you know who the investor was that pulled out of BI a few months ago?

Also, Justin7 is now saying that he has confirmed with two sources that BI's original backer was not arrested. Is this true? Even Jon has repeatedly said that this original backer ran into "legal troubles".

Can you get Jon Kreta's real name for us? Can you confirm if Jon Kreta is trying to stay in the industry/work in CR?

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

Just ignore tto.

I would put him on ignore if I could remember how.

Settings then scroll down to edit ignore list

**propplayer** · 12-22-12, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by KGambler

Prop, I am listed under the SBRMod2 heading. I was not referred by a moderator.

What makes you think "Mod" is "Moderator" there as opposed to something like "Modified"?

I posted in this thread an alternate theory as to what that last grouping could be.

The data was delivered, a lot of it. There's more that may be shared in time but it is a lot to sort through and includes many other elements of the operation too. On this specific data, that's simply an affiliate tracker heading. All that it implies is either you clicked a different link than those under the other tracker, or were moved into a group they wished to track differently for some reason. I don't know anything else on the trackers besides that.