SBR_John - Admin - Staff & Mods any comment ? Your BI Sheet

**Cuse0323** · 12-22-12, 12:09 AM

**hawley** · 12-22-12, 12:09 AM

John I take it there will not be a bash next year?

**JasonDC** · 12-22-12, 12:10 AM

Bill,

Has SBR done anything behind the scenes to try and get players a bailout of any kind? have you heard anything at all?

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Kaabee

can't be 100% fake. justin7 confirmed 85k.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:11 AM

I can confirm that they have my info up there.

I am sure Dozer doesn't mean the data is faked though. He must mean that the headings and groupings are faked. Somehow I doubt that.

It's possible BI made headings in a database that SBR didn't know about. Or it's possible Dozer is lying again. I kind of lean towards that conclusion because, besides Dozer having zero credibility, the account numbers under "sbrmod2" are all higher. Mine is there. My account is pretty new. I signed up for this football season under the big bonus Jon hawked here on SBR.

**Sam Odom** · 12-22-12, 12:13 AM

Billy is on the hot seat... May be cracking up

**Cuse0323** · 12-22-12, 12:14 AM

**opie1988** · 12-22-12, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by King Mayan

Bill Dozer is good peoples..

I don't believe that article. At least not the Dozer part...Bill Dozer is a very nice vato.

Damn right he is. And so is Walker.

No way those 2 guys sat around not caring if posters got hurt. I'll never believe that for one second.

I know them both, and that's not who they are.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:15 AM

How would SBR know that "Robbie" was the one who got the database? Because AB emailed people? Only some people got emails. I know I didn't.

**The Kraken** · 12-22-12, 12:16 AM

I can also confirm my name is on there as can the few other posters that know my name. Not being a pro, it's not under the sbr heading and the amount although small is correct.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:22 AM

Here's my guess...

It's just a guess but it does make sense. BI was a horribly run book with silly good promos (half point promo) and bonuses. If you had any clue you would have +EV there. It probably took SBR a while to figure out that BI was going to be LOSING money consistently. So for this football season (or sometime before that) they demanded a different deal with BI. One where they would get paid based on deposits, or a small % of action - something not related to losses, because Jon was simply not capable of running a profitable book (or he was straight scamming something like a ponzi scheme).

And that is why the high account numbers are listed under a different affiliate grouping named "SBRMod2". SBR will never tell us the truth. They never do. Maybe Jon or Ryan will, or will leak the info. But probably we will just never find out.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:26 AM

Mod would obviously be short for something like "Modification" in that scenario. I wouldn't assume it means "Moderator". I know my signing up had nothing to do with any SBR mods. It did go through poster "Betislands"/Jon though.

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:30 AM

The fact that SBR was THE affiliate for Betislands brings up yet another interesting/damning point. They knew that BI was horribly run and was hemorraghing money year after year (they get regular reports on how their referrals are doing). The original backer would have had to have been a true whale for them to just assume everything would be A-OK with an idiot (or straight scammer) like Jon running the book into the ground. So when they found out (by their own admission) a few weeks back that the original backer was out and that Jon had to scramble to find a new backer, they had to know it could only end one way. This book had huge expenses (same day P2P, very expensive to pay out like that) and was easy for sharps to crush. You basically couldn't lose there due to the incredible half point promo, let alone the other weaknesses a sharp would find to exploit.

**Sam Odom** · 12-22-12, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is the first time we've seen this list but BI Jon stated personally that it's faked

Ok... same question for you

When did you know BI was in the shitter ?

This Tuesday?

Last week?

6 weeks ago?

or ?

**Bill Dozer** · 12-22-12, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by JasonDC

Bill,

Has SBR done anything behind the scenes to try and get players a bailout of any kind? have you heard anything at all?

Two books are talking about what they can do. There have been four different books discuss it so far. Nothing has legs or reason to get hopes up. If something sticks I wouldn't necessarily expect typical bailout where everything gets absorbed.

**ebbearsfb1** · 12-22-12, 12:39 AM

Sammy,

You got a back hoe?

sbr is gonna need it to unbury it self from this mess.

the more they open their mouth the worse they sound.

should of issued a statement right from the jump,
and left it at that..

**tblues2005** · 12-22-12, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by opie1988

Damn right he is. And so is Walker.

No way those 2 guys sat around not caring if posters got hurt. I'll never believe that for one second.

I know them both, and that's not who they are.

I seen both of them at one of the bashes and I just cannot believe they would turn their backs on us. The only thing I have a problem with is response from them was not quicker.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 12-22-12, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Smoke

30 mods had accounts there

Didnt realize 30 mods here

30 mods a lot

I read that as the names of players referred by sbrmods, not each entry being an sbr mod.

**paranoyd androyd** · 12-22-12, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is the best Christmas present a scam sportsbook owner has ever received. These stories are from Robbie (Zach) M\*\*\*\*\*\* and his ************ which promoted his Apex Sportsbook. Apex Sportsbook closed with player funds and SBR quoted him as saying he had some of the player funds but wouldn't pay because he wouldn't be able to start another venture. We followed him with that for about 5 years until he paid some of the guys who were still contactable... This was the same site that wrote Heritage was an SBR scam with his America s Bookie banner inside and where the "bailout" email spam came from this week. He's been angry for a lot of years and loving watching guys react to his "coverage". We aren't going to be baited each time someone posts a quote from a bad neighborhood site like this.

This is the first time we've seen this list but BI Jon stated personally that it's faked and there was never a category called "SBRmod". We see what you see above. Regardless what of it is their real log, every site tracks campaign referrals in groups of users. It's how a Matchbook and even a Fanduel decides internally to renew. It's how all traffic is tracked including traffic from http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/odds and even Amazon's internal software. It's what changes after you select the "where did you hear about us" dropdown on most sites that have a signup.

It's been years since a site SBR and posters considered decent has failed and two in over a decade. Many more well regarded books have been pulled down, some temporarily for missteps with players or slow-paying. Books like BetOnSports and recently America s Bookie have offered to pay to be here. The posting board is about 25% of the SBR network and BI was about 1/20th of the sponsor here. It doesn't make business sense to risk reputation and not how a site is successful long term.

There is always going to be a conflict of interest when sites have "featured products". We know that which is why there are about 50 tools here to research what aspects are important to you. BI wasn't the #1 book, it wasn't even top 10 or top 40. But, it was a lot of poster's #1. It was a B book that started out doing things right but it was new. It will be the last B book.

We know now once the owner was out, in this case but not always, it was over. There was nothing players could have gained a week earlier had we taken them off the forum and of course nothing was gained by SBRforum. To my knowledge one could not signup. Unfortunately, a good in-tact brand wasn't enough for those in control to continue.

what a rambling incoherent mess. this wasn't even english. what kind of drugs are you on? you bounce from one unrelated subject to another (apex, a mericas b ookie, heritage, fanduel campaign tracking, amazon software, "featured products") which don't tie anything together about the brass tax here: SBR employees like yourself fukkin over its customers. what a bunch of nonsensical drivel, should've just kept your mouth shut entirely.

**Ian** · 12-22-12, 12:42 AM

The list is incomplete. I signed up at BI through SBR. I was up a few K, cashed out all but $1kish, then lost all but $3 of that. I didn't re-up my account, partially because when I cashed out they literally sent me $100 bills in the mail. Anyway, my account is nowhere to be seen on the list and the 3 bucks was in there as of a couple days before they shut down. Others have reported their accounts were not there either, so the balance from SBR players likely exceeds the 1.5 million mark.

**Sam Odom** · 12-22-12, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by ebbearsfb1

Sammy,

You got a back hoe?

sbr is gonna need it to unbury it self from this mess.

the more they open their mouth the worse they sound.

should of issued a statement right from the jump,
and left it at that..

Well... It does NOT help their (SBR) cause when they begin with a lie

The 1st peep from them they were shocked on Tuesday as we were

Then SBR_John said he started asking questions on Sunday

Later SBR_John said it was late last week

Neither J7 , Lou or Billy will answer a simple question: When did you know BI was in the shitter ?

**Bill Dozer** · 12-22-12, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Ok... same question for you

When did you know BI was in the shitter ?

This Tuesday?

Last week?

6 weeks ago?

or ?

About 5 days or so they were citing processing issues it was very concerning since they had invested so much in taking it. At that point we weren't getting regular updates and we knew what the forum knew. They finally answered the phone and told us of plans not to pay the morning of the 18th. It was over a month before that they had an agreement in place to take it over.

**ebbearsfb1** · 12-22-12, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Well... It does NOT help their (SBR) cause when they begin with a lie

The 1st peep from them they were shocked on Tuesday as we were

Then SBR_John said he started asking questions on Sunday

Later SBR_John said it was late last week

Neither J7 , Lou or Billy will answer a simple question: When did you know BI was in the shitter ?

they are shook.. thats why..

i laugh when bill says o well jon said the list are a fake.

because anyone is going to believe him .. espeically now.

good post sammy... keep the foot on the neck

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Two books are talking about what they can do. There have been four different books discuss it so far. Nothing has legs or reason to get hopes up. If something sticks I wouldn't necessarily expect typical bailout where everything gets absorbed.

God I hope Legends can save Christmas.

Come on Doc, you're always crying you get one sided action and lose every week. We promise to balance your action.

**bubba** · 12-22-12, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

I can also confirm my name is on there as can the few other posters that know my name. Not being a pro, it's not under the sbr heading and the amount although small is correct.

my info is right there too. name, account number, balance (minus a 4000 wire im still waiting on) is all accurate.

**Sam Odom** · 12-22-12, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

About 5 days or so they were citing processing issues it was very concerning since they had invested so much in taking it. At that point we weren't getting regular updates and we knew what the forum knew. They finally answered the phone and told us of plans not to pay the morning of the 18th. It was over a month before the initial backer was out of the picture and the written agreement was outlined by new ownership.

Alright BD

Sad shit tho , fukked up many people's Christmas

In the end... If y'all knew 4 wks ago I'm not sure if it would have mattered

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Ian

The list is incomplete. I signed up at BI through SBR. I was up a few K, cashed out all but $1kish, then lost all but $3 of that. I didn't re-up my account, partially because when I cashed out they literally sent me $100 bills in the mail. Anyway, my account is nowhere to be seen on the list and the 3 bucks was in there as of a couple days before they shut down. Others have reported their accounts were not there either, so the balance from SBR players likely exceeds the 1.5 million mark.

**Ian** · 12-22-12, 12:50 AM

Also, mods should probably delete the crap about people ratting on Justin7 for gambling. Nobody knows what he knew or when, and he lost more $ there than 80% of American households make in a year. As an attorney he's probably aware of reasons not to open his mouth. Even if people don't want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, we shouldn't be trying to destroy his career without knowing all the facts.

**bubba** · 12-22-12, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

About 5 days or so they were citing processing issues it was very concerning since they had invested so much in taking it. At that point we weren't getting regular updates and we knew what the forum knew. They finally answered the phone and told us of plans not to pay the morning of the 18th. It was over a month before the initial backer was out of the picture and the written agreement was outlined by new ownership.

best case scenario for sbr is gross neglegence/asleep at the switch. how the banner was up there as long as it was is shameful.

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Alright BD

Sad shit tho , fukked up many people's Christmas

In the end... If y'all knew 4 wks ago I'm not sure if it would have mattered

disagree Sam as bet people deposited in those 4 weeks

**KGambler** · 12-22-12, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

I read that as the names of players referred by sbrmods, not each entry being an sbr mod.

I was not referred by a moderator. How do we know it doesn't stand for something else, like "modification"? I have posted my thoughts on this grouping.

**Sam Odom** · 12-22-12, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Vegas39

disagree Sam as bet people deposited in those 4 weeks

I agree... Honestly I dont think Bill is himself tonight

SBR should have put out the warning within 24 hrs after they 'knew' - that could have been early last month

**tblues2005** · 12-22-12, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

Two books are talking about what they can do. There have been four different books discuss it so far. Nothing has legs or reason to get hopes up. If something sticks I wouldn't necessarily expect typical bailout where everything gets absorbed.

I hope you get some kind of help for those players that will at least recover some of their losses.

**Vegas39** · 12-22-12, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

I agree... Honestly I dont think Bill is himself tonight

SBR should have put out the warning within 24 hrs after they 'knew' - that could have been early last month

And leaving banner up doesn't help how they look IMO

**The Kraken** · 12-22-12, 12:58 AM

Right now it stands to reason that only John should respond. Of course I'm partial to Shari and would love to hear her take on it because she's by far one of the most logical thinkers at SBR but this isn't her mess to contend with and I'm not sure why I'm not seeing more from her but I can respect it.