Why did they trade Favre?

[SBR Lou]

I know, it's one game... but in the weak division GB is in, they're fixing to be 5-6 after tonight and this bonehead is making Jason David look like Champ Bailey...

Meanwhile the Jets are making the playoffs.

[element1286]

Your clueless.

[Tsoprano]

Apparently GB is tonight.

[SBR Lou]

Your clueless.

What I have a clue about is the Jets being 8-3 while the Packers might not break .500 on the season.

Favre is a leader and it shows in how the Jets are playing, Rodgers hasn't been this year AT ALL.

[element1286]

What I have a clue about is the Jets being 8-3 while the Packers might not break .500 on the season.

Favre is a leader and it shows in how the Jets are playing, Rodgers hasn't been this year AT ALL.

What has he done that shows his inability to lead?

[SBR Lou]

What has he done that shows his inability to lead?

He sucks ass on the road, and the team doesn't seem to play with the same belief that they can win. In their division, can you honestly say that they'd be 5-6 with Favre at the helm? This is a major disappointment for Green Bay, I'm not saying it won't work out in future years but damn a 13-3 team isn't even going to make the playoffs, meanwhile Favre takes a previous 4-12 team into the playoffs.

[rm18]

It is hard to believe they would be better than 5-6, Rodgers' numbers are much better than the ones Favre averaged throughout his career.

[SBR Lou]

It is hard to believe they would be better than 5-6, Rodgers' numbers are much better than the ones Favre averaged throughout his career.

Some things you just can't look at on paper, which may sound counter intuitive but Favre is the kind of guy that makes everyone around him better. He is a real leader and coming off the kind of year he had in Green Bay, I can't imagine that they'd not even make the playoffs with him.

Sure he's thrown some picks in NY, but come on the guy was getting used to a brand new system in such short time and still has the team off to an 8-3 start and leading their division. The Jets are making the playoffs and the Packers aren't and that to me speaks volumes.

[The_Kid]

Favre was so indecisive on whether or not he wanted to retire. The Packers drafted Rodgers to come in and replace Favre and he has been waiting his turn for so long. Favre kept going back and forth on whether or not he wanted to retire and I'm sure GB got fed up with it (I would too). It was time to move forward after so many years. GB has a lot of young talent and this is only the first year post-Favre. It's not THAT bad, CrazyL.

[SBR Lou]

Favre was so indecisive on whether or not he wanted to retire. The Packers drafted Rodgers to come in and replace Favre and he has been waiting his turn for so long. Favre kept going back and forth on whether or not he wanted to retire and I'm sure GB got fed up with it (I would too). It was time to move forward after so many years. GB has a lot of young talent and this is only the first year post-Favre. It's not THAT bad, CrazyL.

OK but the point is they could've had Favre take them deep into the playoffs for one final hurrah again and a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl, instead of let Rodgers endure his growing pains.

[The Seer]

CrazyL, I think they thought that the team altogether was good enough to make that move this season. They thought they were paying Rogers too much to sit him since he was the future and thought he could get the job done similar to Favre last year. He came in a few times last year and did well so they went on that and made the move. They thought the future was now. However, maybe Rogers hasn't played up to expectations but his stats have been ok. I think the whole team is playing down. What they couldn't calculate was the intangibles that Favre brings. He is the ultimate leader and just makes everyone else better by being out there so everything has somewhat backfired. I think the Packers will be much better next year. This has been a kind of get settled in year.

[element1286]

He sucks ass on the road

(heading into tonight)
59.26 comp%, 1157 yrds, 8tds, 3 ints on road
69.87 comp%, 1194 yrds, 7tds, 3 ints at home

Better at home, yes. Awful on road, no.

and the team doesn't seem to play with the same belief that they can win.

You don't know that, just speculation that tries to extend your point about leadership.

In their division, can you honestly say that they'd be 5-6 with Favre at the helm?

Probably, they lost 8 games two years ago with a very similar team.

meanwhile Favre takes a previous 4-12 team into the playoffs.

Favre, Faneca, Jenkins, they added more than Favre.

[SBR Lou]

Like Seer alluded to, you can't calculate the impact of true veteran leadership from a legend like Favre. This team was never a realistic Super Bowl contender with Rodgers this season, regardless of how his stats look on paper. Hell, they're not even going to make the playoffs.

[element1286]

Like Seer alluded to, you can't calculate the impact of true veteran leadership from a legend like Favre. This team was never a realistic Super Bowl contender with Rodgers this season, regardless of how his stats look on paper. Hell, they're not even going to make the playoffs.

So how many wins would the Packers have if Favre was still on the team?

[VegasDave]

Hindsight is 20/20.

[SBR Lou]

So how many wins would the Packers have if Favre was still on the team?

Enough not to finish 3rd place in the division.

[dwaechte]

One word: Defense

Neither QB plays it. There's the difference in the record.

[rm18]

Enough not to finish 3rd place in the division.

You think Green Bay is not the favorite in the North?

[element1286]

One word: Defense

Neither QB plays it. There's the difference in the record.

Yep.

[SBR Lou]

Like to see those Aaron Rodgers road stats after tonights 3 INT performance.

[SBR Lou]

You think Green Bay is not the favorite in the North?

Hell no. Chicago wins that division and Vikes probably 2nd.

[The Seer]

I heard Thomas Jones on ESPN radio last week. He said that they don't think there is any game that can't win with favre. He said there is no margin too big or team too tough. He did go on to say that there are other positives that are making a difference this year but you can tell they believe in him much more than they did in Chad Pennington. They have ton of confidence and believe they can beat anyone. That type of change in psyche goes a long way.

[tomcarter]

good thread crazyl.it is unreal to me to here people defending fools like mccarthy and the green bay leadership who got rid of favre.

going from a 13-3 season to not making the playoffs for the packers and look at the jets,going from 4-12 season to an 8-3 start.

I really think this will one day will rank as one of the worst decisions in the history of pro football.I am a green bay fan from the time we moved to the states and before favre it was just years and years of mediocrity and losing seasons for the packers.This was an absolute disastrous move by the packers.

[BadNina]

I think part of the Favre mystique is his unabashed love of the game. He still looks like a kid out there having the time of his life. I think the players around him respond to that. I think Green Bay deserves to decend into mediocrity.

[etothep]

I hear ya Crazy. Unlike Rodgers, Favre played both sides of the ball & was a helluva CB.

[tacomax]

OK but the point is they could've had Favre take them deep into the playoffs for one final hurrah again and a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl, instead of let Rodgers endure his growing pains.

Important word highlighted.

I'm sure that the Packers worked out the franchise's present and future expected value based on both QBs when making their choice. It's real easy 3/4 of the way through the season to say they make the wrong choice - a +EV bet is the correct bet even if it turns out to be the losing bet. It's also very wrong to infer that had he stayed at Green Bay, they'd be Superbowl contenders.

[rm18]

Hell no. Chicago wins that division and Vikes probably 2nd.

Minnesota has no shot based on schedule. Packers play against the Bears in Chicago, basically whoever wins that game wins the division.

[The_Kid]

OK but the point is they could've had Favre take them deep into the playoffs for one final hurrah again and a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl, instead of let Rodgers endure his growing pains.

Thing is, they didn't know if Favre wanted to come back until they started training camp, I believe. By then, they had already installed new plays for Rodgers... plays that were more suited to his abilities. To turn back and then tell Rodgers he isn't the starter anymore after he waited so long isn't right. To give Favre the starting position after holding out so long to make a decision and then think he can get away with playing games with Packer management isn't right. No, tomcarter. This was not a disastrous move by the Packers. It was a move they had to make. To let Favre come back and give him the starting position was basically laying down and being his b*tch. Favre probably thought he had all the power to dictate what he wanted to do and when he wanted to do it. Problem was, GB didn't want to wait. They decided they were going to move on towards the future and that's exactly what they did.

[jjgold]

Packer GM might get fired at end of year, it might of been worst decision in Packer history and fans are furious.

[purecarnagge]

this is why...finding a replacement QB in the NFL is impossible. Favre wasn't exactly mentoring Rodgers... so would you stick around for another contract if Favre was being a dick to you or would you go to FA?

[SBR Lou]

I think part of the Favre mystique is his unabashed love of the game. He still looks like a kid out there having the time of his life. I think the players around him respond to that. I think Green Bay deserves to decend into mediocrity.

They certainly do respond to that. You can hear it in his teammates voices when they respond to questions, there's an authenticity and sense of belief Favre brings, intangibles that stat geeks cannot properly quantify- and oh by the way, Favre has a higher completion % than Rodgers this year and if we account for the fact that he dove into a completely new offense with guys whose names he didn't even know, his performance this year has been far more impressive than Rodgers.

We can hash out it out many different ways, but what's telling is the fact that the Jets are making the playoffs which absolutely no one expected them to do, and a Packers team that is coming off a 13-3 year will struggle to even finish .500 on the season. Are the Jets better in many different areas? Certainly. But none more important than the leader of their team. Soft arm Pennington, who teams feel the need to use the wild cat half of the time instead of trust this guy to win for them, would NOT have this team winning their division.

[jjgold]

Rodger is not bad by no means but he is a dull QB and kind of stiff and cannot make things happen.

[laxdjock]

There are a handful of legit QBs who are difference makers...Favre is one of them. That bridge was burned early on, and the Jets thank GB every day for it.

[tacomax]

Another point to consider.

If the Packers were asked - "If we trade Favre, Rogers will have a QB rating 3.3 points higher than Manning Snr and 10 points higher Roethlisberger at week 12 - what should we do?"

[Dark Horse]

Rodgers will be fine. He has picked it up very quick. He threw INT's yesterday. So what? Does Favre have the copyright on those?

If Favre is still with the Jets next season you will see them drop back. Right now it is hard for teams to prepare for the Jets, because they're a work in progress.

Remember that Favre and Jets were totally outplayed by Cassel and the Pats after Bellichick took the chains off his QB. It took a coin flip to stop that huge comeback. Early on the Patriots were surprised, but they quickly adjusted. Next season all teams will have adjusted when they play the Jets.

Why did Packers let Favre go? Because he's old. And Rodgers is their future. They are obviously pleased with Aaron or they wouldn't have given him a long term contract.