Toronto is a much better city than Montreal

[mathdotcom]

you don't wanna know when bbd came, nicky.

probably already 5x today

[betplom]

betplom

I bet you'd have a problem with Americans from Montana coming to Alberta to work.
There's plenty of work in Alberta and not enough other Canadians to do it (or not enough willing to relocate to do it), so why not let Americans come? So protectionist...

Canada should have closer ties with the US just because of the way it's set up. Ontario/NFLD is a long ways away from Alberta when western US is right there. But trade barriers just get in the way

No, I'd love for Americans from the US West to be able to get high paying jobs in Alberta at the expense of Canadians from other provinces, just look at all the positives that scenario would bring, too many to list really.

Math, I really don't want to get into this discussion with you of all people, you have a tendency of being much too anal.

Since EBSB52 made a mockery of you out in that business thread you've been more agitated, like a wounded bear, I'll pass.

[fiveteamer]

a short trip to do what?

never really been interested.

[mmike032]

No, I'd love for Americans from the US West to be able to get high paying jobs in Alberta at the expense of Canadians from other provinces, just look at all the positives that scenario would bring, too many to list really.

Math, I really don't want to get into this discussion with you of all people, you have a tendency of being much too anal.

Since EBSB52 made a mockery of you out in that business thread you've been more agitated, like a wounded bear, I'll pass.

so candaians dont welcome immigrants to come and take their jobs than why does the states? interesting concept they have in Canada.

[bigboydan]

ok danny, where did you stay? Downtown, east end?? where did you almost get mugged? what restaurants did you go to? did you go downtown?? tell me about your stay here and when you came too.. and why you came here?

I want to know all, danny.. i want to evaluate why you are saying all this for? maybe you were in a runned down area of mtl.. or in a dangerous area.. not that there is one here.

It was a long time ago and I was a tourist, so I don't remember Mr.Nicky.

[Nicky Santoro]

mathy, just as i predicted, danny answered my questions in 2 min each time here, but when i asked him to tell me names of hotels and places, it's been 12 minuts now, no answer..


just like i knew, he's on GOOGLE checking up names of places.. i knew he'd not answer in 2 min like before..

nice try, danny.. i knew this was only to rile me up..

[mathdotcom]

betplom

they are still desperate for workers - obviously enough are not coming from the East. So there isn't even any competition with Eastern workers.

If you take ESB's side in that thread, then I feel sorry for you. I proved that half of his facts were dead wrong. All I ever wanted to say in that thread was that Canada is more capitalist than socialist. He kept arguing as if I was saying there were no socialist elements to Canada. I don't disagree with that.

[Nicky Santoro]

It was a long time ago and I was a tourist, so I don't remember Mr.Nicky.

bbd, you're full of it. you've never been here before.. i knew it... lol...

[bigboydan]

when i asked him to tell me names of hotels and places, it's been 12 minuts now, no answer..

http://forum.sbrforum.com/1197380-post40.html

[mathdotcom]

mmike, you just need to get a work **** first.

I don't get why everyone is so nationalistic. Why do you care more about a Canadian from the other side of the country than an American a few hundred miles away?

[bigboydan]

bbd, you're full of it. you've never been here before.. i knew it... lol...

The only thing you know is how to back out of a contest with LT, Mr.Nicky.

[Nicky Santoro]

busted danny...lol


you've never been to MTL in your whole entire life. i knew you were lying when you said montreal is a slum.. this is the furthest from the truth.. and then you got greedy when you said you were mugged.. lol

yeah right danny.. nice try..

[betplom]

so candaians dont welcome immigrants to come and take their jobs than why does the states? interesting concept they have in Canada.

Immigrants apply for "permanent resident" status before arriving in the country, similar to applying for a green card in the US. When I applied for my US green card it took almost 7 years.

They are then welcome to get any job they may be qualified for, this includes Americans. The process takes YEARS to complete, I doubt the Americans looking for work are interested in that process.

The discussion I was having was about "allowing" Americans to get work here without going through the immigration process for Canada. The United States has even tougher rules regarding illegals, that doesn't stop them though (the illegals) because they are poor and will take any job to earn money.

The employers offering high paying jobs in Alberta wouldn't risk hiring an "illegal immigrant American". Americans can travel freely to Canada for business or pleasure, but cannot just go looking for a job here without having the required permission.

Why would an American want to leave the greatest country in the world for Canada anyway?

I don't get why everyone is so nationalistic. Why do you care more about a Canadian from the other side of the country than an American a few hundred miles away?

If you really need to ask this question I wouldn't (and won't) waste anymore time with you.

The good news for me, is that Americans can't legally work in Canada without permission, they are no better or worse than immigrants from other countries, they will have to get in line like anyone else wishing to enter.

[unknown Gambler]

BBD, we now see why your a mod, your opinion of montreal compared to toronto is retarded, all know montreal is one of the nicest cities in the world.

as for you betty the plomer,your just one of many torontonians with built in hatred for a beautiful city next to yours,cause the language is different and hockey is played properly.

[mmike032]

mmike, you just need to get a work **** first.

I don't get why everyone is so nationalistic. Why do you care more about a Canadian from the other side of the country than an American a few hundred miles away?

just stating that our govt lets immigrants breeeze freely over the border and drive my livelyhood into the ground while Canada seems to have a finger on the situation.
Hence I cant compete with these Mexican crews charging penny's on the dollar to do work that any profit minded american would have to charge at least twice the amount just to pay his legal american tax paying crew

[Nicky Santoro]

BBD, we now see why your a mod, your opinion of montreal compared to toronto is retarded, all know montreal is one of the nicest cities in the world.

as for you betty the plomer,your just one of many torontonians with built in hatred for a beautiful city next to yours,cause the language is different and hockey is played properly.

now i know why i alwys liked you.. great post.. and right on, too..

[bigboydan]

your opinion of montreal compared to toronto is retarded, all know montreal is one of the nicest cities in the world.

Now that's truly laughable sir. Not even comparable to Toronto really. Even the strip clubs in Montreal are slummy.

[unknown Gambler]

betty you are a mental midget, with no clue.

please ban your self from life.

[Nicky Santoro]

Now that's truly laughable sir. Not even comparable to Toronto really. Even the strip clubs in Montreal are slummy.

i hope Mathy comments on this one here.. Everyone will tell you, including all the toronto guys that montreal has best strips clubs in north america. mtl was voted #1 strip clubs in north america.. people from toronto drive to mtl just for strip clubs..

super sexe, chez paree, Wanda's..


danny, now you just made it official that you have never been to mtl..

[mathdotcom]

betplom

agree with everything you said. that's indeed why there are no foreigners in the Alberta oilsands. just discussing the idea of freer entry in principle.

there is no doubt that, especially in an extreme example like the US where your neighbours are relatively much poorer, having more immigrants will drive down wages for the jobs those immigrants are competing for with 'natives'.

So if I asked you, 'would you rather I kill an American or a Canadian', you'd answer without hesitation that I kill the American? What if the choice were 2 Americans or 1 Canada. [Please refrain from any jokes about taking the 2 Americans with pleasure ]

So many people here talk about the 3rd world and worrying about their well-being, but these are usually the same people that are most against allowing immigration that will cause greater competition for domestic jobs.

[mathdotcom]

bbd

you have good taste in women from what i can tell.

MTL strip clubs are best I've ever seen. One of the greatest benefits of MTL!
Oh Nicky, these guys are so wrong!

[bigboydan]

i hope Mathy comments on this one here.. Everyone will tell you, including all the toronto guys that montreal has best strips clubs in north america. mtl was voted #1 strip clubs in north america.. people from toronto drive to mtl just for strip clubs..

super sexe, chez paree, Wanda's..


danny, now you just made it official that you have never been to mtl..

Still trying to say I never been there uh, Mr.Nicky. I have and those strip clubs are horrible! What makes it even worse is the so called women they employ for them. I mean what did they do hire within a trailer park or something. Hell, even one of the girls was missing teeth.

[mathdotcom]

bbd having his late night fun

huge porn industry in mtl for a reason

[betplom]

bbd

you have good taste in women from what i can tell.

MTL strip clubs are best I've ever seen. One of the greatest benefits of MTL!
Oh Nicky, these guys are so wrong!

Of course Montreal has good food, women, clubs etc, I like visiting Montreal myself, the question of "better" can't be decided, because there isn't actually a contest.

I like to poke fun at other Canadian cities, god knows Toronto is a big enough target for the rest of the country to make fun of.

Fact is they are both great cities, I'm personally annoyed by the politics of Quebec, I'm tired of all the whining and crying they constantly use to get a better deal for themselves at the expense of the rest of the country and using the threat of separation to further their cause, they have it very good in Quebec already.

As for Toronto, in terms of restaurants, entertainment, shopping etc, Toronto has everything Montreal does and probably more, after all, Toronto has a much larger population and economy.

I personally was born and raised here, my mother was born here and her mother too, my father was an Italian Immigrant that came here as a 15 yr old back in 1952, we all love this city, always will.

It's too bad that people from other areas in Canada are so resentful of this city, they really shouldn't be.

betplom

agree with everything you said. that's indeed why there are no foreigners in the Alberta oilsands. just discussing the idea of freer entry in principle.

there is no doubt that, especially in an extreme example like the US where your neighbours are relatively much poorer, having more immigrants will drive down wages for the jobs those immigrants are competing for with 'natives'.

So if I asked you, 'would you rather I kill an American or a Canadian', you'd answer without hesitation that I kill the American? What if the choice were 2 Americans or 1 Canada. [Please refrain from any jokes about taking the 2 Americans with pleasure ]

So many people here talk about the 3rd world and worrying about their well-being, but these are usually the same people that are most against allowing immigration that will cause greater competition for domestic jobs.

The simple answer is self preservation, and my fingers are tired from typing so I really don't want to type another long paragraph.

The killing analogy is unrealistic and exists only in theory, but since I'm Canadian I would like to be loyal to my fellow Canadians, theres something creepy about letting Americans come here as they please when they make it so difficult for Canadians to go there for the same reason.

Ever tried announcing to the uS immigration officer your going to the States to look for a job? You'd never get past him/her to do so.

If the US was more open towards Canadians I'd be more interested in helping them out, that doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, 911 has really messed things up.

here are some (maybe off topic) barbaric examples:

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/484950

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/feb/16/news/adna-mborder16

good thing our countries are friends, can you imagine the treatment if we weren't?

[mathdotcom]

betplom.. agree with you on the politics. They actually believe they'll keep getting transfer payments if they separate, too. lol.

I don't really get why toronto gets such a bad rap, either. Inferiority complex on the part of other places. If things go nicely I'll be in either Vancouver or Toronto next year, and will be happy in either one.

If you're going to choose between TO and MTL, one thing people haven't mention explicitly is the job market. Good phuckin luck in Montreal. But if you're just spending a weekend in one of the two places, I'm all over MTL

[Sinister Cat]

just stating that our govt lets immigrants breeeze freely over the border and drive my livelyhood into the ground while Canada seems to have a finger on the situation.
Hence I cant compete with these Mexican crews charging penny's on the dollar to do work that any profit minded american would have to charge at least twice the amount just to pay his legal american tax paying crew

for what it's worth, as far as I know, most of the construction work in Toronto area was dominated by Portuguese working in Canada illegally. Big crack down on them a couple years ago. Also there are mexicans working in Canada in the construction industry as well.

http://canadaimmigration.typepad.com/canada_immigration/2008/10/immigration-target-recuiters.html

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2006/03/more-on-deporting-portuguese.html

[Sinister Cat]

I dont even believe you've been to mtl, danny, cause this would never happen. i've been here forever, and never even been pick pocketed.. or anyone i know either..

Montreal definitely has a reputation of having a lot of pick pockets. My brother in fact did have his wallet pick-pocketed in Montreal.

Having said that, I do think Montreal is the better city. Definitely in terms of being a fun place to visit anyway.

[MickChunky]

I'm diggin MTL. My wife and I are planning a vacation there next year. The wife speaks fluent French so I think I can get by there for a week. Nicky, my father works for Infilco Degremont, he travels from VA to Dorval, QC a couple times a year. He says it's a great city, almost like Europe in N. America. I've been to TO once when I was 11 or so and remember my dad getting pissed at people ripping off kids on the conversion rate at a tourist attraction.

[Nicky Santoro]

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[Nicky Santoro]

I'm diggin MTL. My wife and I are planning a vacation there next year. The wife speaks fluent French so I think I can get by there for a week. Nicky, my father works for Infilco Degremont, he travels from VA to Dorval, QC a couple times a year. He says it's a great city, almost like Europe in N. America. I've been to TO once when I was 11 or so and remember my dad getting pissed at people ripping off kids on the conversion rate at a tourist attraction.

chunker,

you will love this place.. it really does have that european flavor to it.. i dont know one person that has come here to mtl and had bad things to say about it.. oh yeah, i know one guy.. his name happens to be bigboydan.. but the problem is, bbd has really never been here before and only started this thread to cause trouble and annoy me..

and it worked, i'll give him credit for that..

[betplom]

for what it's worth, as far as I know, most of the construction work in Toronto area was dominated by Portuguese working in Canada illegally. Big crack down on them a couple years ago. Also there are mexicans working in Canada in the construction industry as well.

http://canadaimmigration.typepad.com/canada_immigration/2008/10/immigration-target-recuiters.html

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2006/...ortuguese.html

Actually, I'm employed in the construction industry (concrete biz - seriously) and deal with alot of Portuguese construction workers, the vast majority of them are here legally, most big construction sites/jobs are unionized and you can't be a member of a union if you are here illegally. For some of the smaller operations the likelihood of illegals rises somewhat, because they are employed by small outfits that aren't unionized.

The Portuguese have replaced the Italians for the most part in the construction industry, the Italians were here long before the Portuguese but obviously they have gotten older and second gen Italian/Canadians never really got into construction so the Portuguese took it over. I still see the occasional (old) Italian guy on a jobsite, but they are fewer and fewer.

Union jobs for tradespersons here are between $28-$35 per hour, with 10% vacation pay paid weekly, full benefits and contracted wage increases, plus double time wages for overtime and weekend work.
Alberta has even higher wages for similar work, they tend to be less union out west and the working conditions are alot tougher.

Personally, my union job pays $27.25 hourly, the same non-union job in Alberta pays $31 an hour, but Alberta is more expensive to live.

[bigboydan]

Where is Deuce to back up my comments on this subject. I know for a fact he feels the same way I do about that cesspool Montreal.

[MickChunky]

Nicky do you speak french-candien?

[Nicky Santoro]

Nicky do you speak french-candien?

bien sur, mon ami..

[MickChunky]

Ok what does this guys shirt translate to in english? thx

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=4993180&albumID=1149902&imageID=20692916