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  • SBR_John
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-12-05
    • 16471

    #1
    Any New York lawyers on the forum?


    How can they arrest a software company? Who will they go after next? The phone company or maybe forum owners(oh fuk)
  • Smoke
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-09-09
    • 48111

    #2
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    • Pew Pew
      SBR MVP
      • 12-21-10
      • 2267

      #3
      learn to post a link noob
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      • SBR_John
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-12-05
        • 16471

        #4
        Originally posted by Pew Pew
        learn to post a link noob
        Alright, alright...I think Lou hacked my account.
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        • ttwarrior1
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 06-23-09
          • 28460

          #5
          against the law, 20 years each imo
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          • hawley
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 05-10-10
            • 14270

            #6
            Originally posted by ttwarrior1
            against the law, 20 years each imo
            which law?

            You a lawyer now too?
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            • Smoke
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 10-09-09
              • 48111

              #7
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              • Holtgetsback
                SBR MVP
                • 01-04-10
                • 4655

                #8
                what's next??

                is the FBI gonna go after smith and wesson because some animals shot up a 7-11??

                the USA is going to shit
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                • MUHerd37
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-23-09
                  • 12816

                  #9
                  This is ridiculous. No way they get convicted.
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                  • Br0nxer
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 03-25-11
                    • 13665

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                    against the law, 20 years each imo



                    fat fukk on welfare giving law and penalty opinions

                    kids never worked a day in his life

                    cant make this shit up

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                    • alling
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-13-10
                      • 1405

                      #11
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                      • pokernut9999
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-25-07
                        • 12757

                        #12
                        They usually do not arrest people if it is not against the law.
                        Software is being used for illegal reasons.
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                        • ChalkyDog
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 10-02-11
                          • 9598

                          #13
                          Sounds like a bunch of simultaneous arrests on a large network of people.

                          Who knows exactly what the prosecutors are doing with these, but unless their is some obscure statute going on - there has to be more than the story suggests.

                          The biggest effect this will have is scare an already sketch group of people.
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                          • MadTiger
                            SBR MVP
                            • 04-19-09
                            • 2724

                            #14
                            There must be something that they aren't explicitly telling. E-mails? If you know that your customer is using your product or service for furtherance of an illegal enterprise, they can hang a conspiracy charge on you. Whether it's weak or not is up for the legal system.
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                            • billysink
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                              • 03-29-09
                              • 5172

                              #15
                              Had my guy look at this. He says that it is a pretty clear cut case for the prosecutors as the wire trail and bank transfer trail would likely be directly from US based agents to a US company using the US financial system. He is suprised that these folks were charged outside of the enterprise corruption blanket charges that were slapped on all participants and says this is precedent setting. Not a New York guy but offered an opinion.



                              Here is the law.

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                              • ChalkyDog
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 10-02-11
                                • 9598

                                #16
                                Originally posted by billysink
                                Had my guy look at this. He says that it is a pretty clear cut case for the prosecutors as the wire trail and bank transfer trail would likely be directly from US based agents to a US company using the US financial system. He is suprised that these folks were charged outside of the enterprise corruption blanket charges that were slapped on all participants and says this is precedent setting. Not a New York guy but offered an opinion.



                                Here is the law.

                                http://www.new-york-lawyers.org/lawy...y-1677385.html
                                Precedent setting is the problem.

                                Prosecutors can try all they want to stick weak charges on these guys. Good lawyers will be assigned to the defense, you wont hear about this for years.

                                In the meantime, it is scaring the shit out of a lot of people.
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                                • billysink
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                                  • 03-29-09
                                  • 5172

                                  #17
                                  I see nothing weak in the charges at all given the way the law is written.
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                                  • billysink
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                                    • 03-29-09
                                    • 5172

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                                    Precedent setting is the problem.

                                    Prosecutors can try all they want to stick weak charges on these guys. Good lawyers will be assigned to the defense, you wont hear about this for years.

                                    In the meantime, it is scaring the shit out of a lot of people.
                                    The only people who should be scared as a direct fallout from this latest round of charges is anyone who plays through a US based agent. Of course US players playing anywhere are always in the crosshairs.
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                                    • MUHerd37
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-23-09
                                      • 12816

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pokernut9999
                                      They usually do not arrest people if it is not against the law.
                                      Software is being used for illegal reasons.
                                      It's not the companies problem/fault that people are using the software for illegal purposes.
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                                      • billysink
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                                        • 03-29-09
                                        • 5172

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                        It's not the companies problem/fault that people are using the software for illegal purposes.
                                        It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

                                        Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
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                                        • ZetaPsi808
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 09-18-08
                                          • 12119

                                          #21
                                          Boner 18 would be the best poster to comment on this
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                                          • Sam Odom
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 10-30-05
                                            • 58063

                                            #22
                                            More to it than just these 2

                                            the Prosecutors are casting a wide net
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                                            • pokernut9999
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 07-25-07
                                              • 12757

                                              #23
                                              Organized crime is connected to most all gambling.
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                                              • billysink
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 03-29-09
                                                • 5172

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National

                                                How can they arrest a software company? Who will they go after next? The phone company or maybe forum owners(oh fuk)
                                                They did not arrest a software company. They arrested the individuals who owned it and developed the product.

                                                Are you developing and profiting from any gambling related software?
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                                                • InTheDrink
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-23-09
                                                  • 23983

                                                  #25
                                                  popcorn
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                                                  • Kindred
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 09-09-08
                                                    • 2901

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by billysink
                                                    It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

                                                    Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
                                                    that makes no sense. The software is legal in the countries it was licensed to, and the company licensing it didn't take any bets.

                                                    Why not put gun manufacturers away when their guns are used for an unlawful purpose. Or even google, you can search for gambling and find websites that take bets illegally from U.S. citizens, they are promoting gambling


                                                    The ONLY way your argument about secret agents would hold any water is if the company gave specific instructions on how to use the software illegally. So not in general how to take a bet, but how to take a bet from an American. Kinda hard to imagine agents being able to pull that off without sounding like undercover agents

                                                    although their company, Extension Software, licensed the software only to bookmaking operations based in Costa Rica, the Caribbean and Canada — where such betting is legal.
                                                    Thats from the article. How the hell can you argue that secret agents have an airtight case against a software company..
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                                                    • Chi_archie
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 07-22-08
                                                      • 63172

                                                      #27
                                                      Boner18 is real life lawyer living in NYC
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                                                      • Kindred
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-09-08
                                                        • 2901

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by billysink
                                                        It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

                                                        Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
                                                        So a gun used to kill, which it was designed for, means the gun maker should be charged criminally
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                                                        • MUHerd37
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-23-09
                                                          • 12816

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by billysink
                                                          It was developed explicitly for the purpose it was being used for. The problem is US agents were using it and paying a US company for the privilege. It was initially developed for the offshore industry.

                                                          Anyone shocked at how closely their gambling money is tied to organized crime?
                                                          It was used for gambling and licensed only to companies in countries where it is legal.
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                                                          • DDT
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 03-22-09
                                                            • 3757

                                                            #30
                                                            I can't imagine we have too many lawyers lurking around
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                                                            • pokernut9999
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 07-25-07
                                                              • 12757

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                                              It was used for gambling and licensed only to companies in countries where it is legal.

                                                              People were using it in the USA , not legal. You can not set up your software in a legal country and use it in a country were it is not legal.
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                                                              • billysink
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 03-29-09
                                                                • 5172

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Kindred
                                                                that makes no sense. The software is legal in the countries it was licensed to, and the company licensing it didn't take any bets.

                                                                Why not put gun manufacturers away when their guns are used for an unlawful purpose. Or even google, you can search for gambling and find websites that take bets illegally from U.S. citizens, they are promoting gambling


                                                                The ONLY way your argument about secret agents would hold any water is if the company gave specific instructions on how to use the software illegally. So not in general how to take a bet, but how to take a bet from an American. Kinda hard to imagine agents being able to pull that off without sounding like undercover agents


                                                                Thats from the article. How the hell can you argue that secret agents have an airtight case against a software company..
                                                                I suggest you read the indictment not the newspaper article. The link was posted in this forum and completely rebukes your feeble logic.
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                                                                • Chi_archie
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 07-22-08
                                                                  • 63172

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I think they would have to show a causal connection between the developers and them covertly getting into the hands that got it into the hands of the NY Mob families.
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                                                                  • billysink
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 03-29-09
                                                                    • 5172

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Chi_archie
                                                                    I think they would have to show a causal connection between the developers and them covertly getting into the hands that got it into the hands of the NY Mob families.
                                                                    Archie read the indictment pal.
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                                                                    • Kindred
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 09-09-08
                                                                      • 2901

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by billysink
                                                                      I suggest you read the indictment not the newspaper article. The link was posted in this forum and completely rebukes your feeble logic.
                                                                      since I don't get off on being an internet forum wannabe lawyer why don't you tell me what exactly in the indictment rebukes my feeble logic?

                                                                      It's logical that anyone who makes software is responsible for how it's used, only a feeble mind would think otherwise. That's why the guy that made torrent software is in jail for life because people used it to pirate movies...oh wait he's a freeman WTF
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