Is Kurt Warner a future Hall Of Famer?

[bmw530i]

In his short career, he has only played 2 full seasons without an injury. But in those years he won the League MVP!
He is 1-1 in the Superbowl to go along with his 1 Superbowl MVP. There is talk of him winning league MVP gain this year, if he wins it again I think he gets into the H.O.F.
Some of his stats are off the charts...what are your thoughts?

[Doc JS]

The answer right now is: NO. When I think of HOF QB's, Kurt Warner's name does not jump immediately to mind. I've sorta got him in a similar category as Terrell Davis. Really good for a relatively brief period not long enough to be considered HOF.

He's not HOF right now...But if he plays for say 3-5 more years, wins another MVP, takes another team to the Super Bowl, then the answer isn't as clear cut. Kurt may turn out to be the football equivalent of a baseball "accumulator" if he plays long enough. A Don Sutton/Phil Niekro type of HOF prospect...Doesn't get in on the first ballot, but maybe eventually he does kinda guy...

Doc

[Fishhead]

If Montana is in, Kurt should be in.

[daggerkobe]

This will be his 5th season with at least 3400 yds and 21 TDs.... probably not enough. Needs 3-4 similar seasons.... but difficult at 37 years of age.

[l7ustin]

I dont think he has enough seasons but if he won the SuperBowl this year I guess its possible

[Doc JS]

If Montana is in, Kurt should be in.

Did you say this for comic effect or are you serious???

Joe Montana - Led 49ers to four Super Bowl wins. . . Named Super Bowl MVP three times. . . Orchestrated 92-yard winning drive in closing seconds, Super Bowl XXIII. . .All-NFL three times, All-NFC five times. . . Selected to eight Pro Bowls. . .Career statistics: 3,409 completions, 40,551 yards, 273 TDs, 92.3 passer rating.

Kurt Warner - 2164 Completions, 26,768 yards, 171 TD's, 94.5 passer rating.

Get back to me when Kurt can match those numbers...

Doc

[dwaechte]

If he plays two more years after this one at the level he's playing now, I think he probably gets in.

[daggerkobe]

wow... Montana only had 6 seasons of 3400+ yds, 21+ TDs.... hmmm, maybe Kurt does have a chance.

5 actually cause 1 season he had only 19 TDs.

Rams could very well have won 3 SBs with Kurt..... fumble by Az Hakim killed them in 2001 and Vinatieri in 2002.

[element1286]

No, his offensive numbers are good, but the fact that he has played in such a pass happy league for his entire career disqualifies him a little. Hasn't been consistent enough, and hasn't been at the top of his game long enough.

[McBa1n]

My argument for the HOF is: Were you the best? Were there better than you? And if I ask are you a Hall of Famer - do you say 'yes'. If you hesitate, then you're not a hall of famer. Warner DOES have an impressive resume in a short career - and also a checkered one. Was he the best? Yes. He has 2 MVPs and a Superbowl MVP - ok that makes him a contender.

However, I still pause due to those down years he had with concussions. It's so close because I feel he ALMOST falls into the Gayle Sayers/Terrel Davis argument. I think if Warner can put a few solid playoff runs and possibly a Superbowl run with the Cards - then yes. The reason I pause now is he QB'd probably the greatest offense of all time - that has at least 1 hall of famer, perhaps 2 or 3 (Pace, not likely - Holt, slam dunk, to me - and obviously Faulk is going in). Warner post Rams was really recovering from concussions and also learning new offenses.

Another strike against Warner with the previous point is he plays with Boldin and Fitzgerald - simply 2 flat out blue chip receivers and both easily in the top 10 and at least 1 is a top 5 receiver. Now, there are QBs in the HOF - like Aikman - that I feel got in due to what was around them. I think the BEST QBs make their teams better - Like Montana (read: KC), Favre, Elway - and to me, those are slam dunk HOF players. I guess I've always felt Aikman didn't deserve to get in first ballot. He was not the best at his position any 1 time - Although Warner has been. I think it's too early to talk about it, to be honest... I would like to see more out of Warner before it's over - and this season should not impact that decision more than a touch, unless they make it to a championship game or superbowl.

I would like to take this time out to plug Terrel Davis for the HOF. Think about this. He was the best RB in the NFL at a time where there was Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith in their prime or near it. There's not much argument on that point - although I understand the argument that he didn't play long enough... He's not a PR machine for it, either. I think if he played in the 60's or 70's, he would be in - because the PR machine does get guys in that may not deserve it over other guys.

Edit:
I forgot one point in favor of Warner. In Dan Fouts career - around 25% of his games he threw for 300+ yards. In Warner's - that number is over 45%. That's freaking ridiculous.

[Doc JS]

My initial response was to dismiss Terrell Davis as not having played long enough. Then I thought, wait a minute and do a little research...The running back in the HOF closest to being a Davis type of candidate, really great for a short period of time, seemed to me to be Gayle Sayers.

Let's go to the numbers:
Gayle Sayers:
Games - 68
Rush Yards - 4956
Avg/carry - 5.0
TD's - 39
Receptions - 112
Yards - 1307
Avg. - 11.7
TD's - 9
Kickoffs - 91
Yards - 2781
Avg - 30.6
TD's - 6

Terrell Davis
Games - 81
Rush Yards - 7607
Avg/carry - 4.6
TD's - 60
Receptions - 169
Yards - 1280
Avg. - 7.6
TD's - 5


Doc

[bmw530i]

Gayle returned kickoffs?? holy shit...they did it all back then

[Chi_archie]

they talked about this topic this morning on Mike and Mike....

my initial response was no way... but they brought up some compelling arguments and stats, but none that I can remember..because at 6 in the morning my brain hasn't turned on its internal recorder yet... but somthing about # of games over 300 yards with no ints maybe....

in any event if he were to win a 3rd MVP and or another super bowl this year.. you would add to an increasingly compelling resume

[purecarnagge]

Yes he's a hall of famer. He's very accurate. He's got the range...He's 37 and he just dropped bombs on 49ers...dropped a long as hell pass to Breston...Has the precision to make all the throws on all the routes.

He's got 2 rings and MVPs. His fumble problem was clearly due to injury on his thumb for those years.

he's back at that level this year and if he stays there next year he's definately in.

comparing him to the HOF HOF QB isn't the answer. I can find numerous QB stats in the HOF that he's got much better numbers on.

[rm18]

He is a hall of famer he has 300+ yards in 44% of his career games which is by far the best in NFL history, next on the list is 28%.

[smitch124]

His is a very hard career to analyze, there have been times when he was among the best there has ever been, and times where he was mediocre. I think its something to consider, but I wanna to see how his career ends before I decide.

[purecarnagge]

Again if he plays at a high level again next year then he will be set.

[manofmyth]

He is a hall of famer he has 300+ yards in 44% of his career games which is by far the best in NFL history, next on the list is 28%.

This was the stat I was going to post. In the entire history of the NFL he has the most 300+ yards in his career!! You wanna know who that is with the 28%??? Dan Fouts. Who, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Never won a Super Bowl, never went to a Super Bowl, and I don't think even won a League MVP. Yet he's in the HOF! Not dogging Fouts, but c'mon now, Warner is the Fouts of now.

And I have to agree, that you can't compare Warner to current HOF QB. Look at it this way. In any sport, there are a select few who can basically walk in from the street. He was in his early 30's when he came into the league. And look what he put up already. Those stats of Joe Montana makes this case even more compelling for Warner. Look at Montana's career stats. Then look at Warners, look how much numbers he's put up in a short amount of time, with what, 3+ different teams.

Also, no one is talking about his accuracy. I remember the year they went to the Super Bowl and won, then he came down here to the Pro Bowl and ABC was interviewing Randy Moss after he came off the field from a score. Interviewer asked him what he thought about Warner. He said, throughout his career, he's never, ever, had a QB that accurate. Putting the ball, exactly where it has to go, for the receiver to continue to make a play. Not many QB's can do that, neither can 99% of your grocery baggers as well. He'll get in, maybe not first ballot, but before his 5 ballot attempt.

[eidolon]

Question: At their best, would you take Favre or Warner?

[dwaechte]

Favre without a doubt I think. Back in 97 and 98 he did so many things that Warner can't. Warner just hit the perfect situation with that Rams team, they fit his style exactly. But if you take any generic team, I think youre better off with prime-Favre than prime-Warner.

[jjgold]

If he won mvp this year he would or won superbowl he would, he lacks game s played

[Victor]

Hmmmmm......

Its a tough call...the guy's got some really good stats...but he is too young... he got the MVP award in 1999 and 2001.....but he still needs to b seen for 3-4 seasons.....

[purecarnagge]

Depends...if your looking for a QB that can extend the play or a QB that is extremely accurate.

Favre has a greet deep ball
So does Warner
Favre can extend plays
Warner is more accurate
Both have cannon arms
Both can read defenses and are seasoned vets
both have struggled with decision making at some point in there career.

Warner needs to have a good line...Favre can get away with having a suckier line a little more.

[MonkeyF0cker]

This is a guy who nearly lost his job the last two seasons to Matt Leinart. I really don't think he's HOF material at this point. He has been blessed with some of the league's best talent at WR in each of the teams he's had success with. If you stick with the comparison to Favre, Brett never had a single receiver as talented as Boldin, Ferguson, Holt, or Bruce. He may have solid numbers but I'm not sure they're enough to get him into the Hall.

[purecarnagge]

This is a guy who nearly lost his job the last two seasons to Matt Leinart. I really don't think he's HOF material at this point. He has been blessed with some of the league's best talent at WR in each of the teams he's had success with. If you stick with the comparison to Favre, Brett never had a single receiver as talented as Boldin, Ferguson, Holt, or Bruce. He may have solid numbers but I'm not sure they're enough to get him into the Hall.

You can say nearly, but thats more because of people wanting to groom the next franchise QB and not put the bet one on the field. Leinhart blows and everyone knows it. Fact is he's still a good QB and more teams than not would rather have him on there team.

[Kingctb27]

Yes. He dominated the game in his prime. I hate these guys who make it who are just mediocre players and are never looked upon as a superstar. Guys like Biggio who will most likely get in on the baseball side fit this bill.

[Dark Horse]

I don't know what the exact qualifications are to get into the HOF, nor do I really care. You could say that he has two top receivers, but he's had those for a number of years. And only now are they getting noticed... Before this season he took a beating behind a bad O-line. This is the first year he's getting reasonable protection in Arizona. I like him. Very accurate and very quick release. In my book he's a HOF-er.

[Chi_archie]

I say yes, more then ever

[diogee]

LMAO @ the if Montana is in the HOF comment.

But yeah I would say for sure. 2 time league mvp is an accomplishment on it's own...then the Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP. Accurate qb, solid passer rating, and throws for 300+ all the f*cking time. I think taking Zona to the SB solidifies it for him.

[AC1318]

In his short career, he has only played 2 full seasons without an injury. But in those years he won the League MVP!
He is 1-1 in the Superbowl to go along with his 1 Superbowl MVP. There is talk of him winning league MVP gain this year, if he wins it again I think he gets into the H.O.F.
Some of his stats are off the charts...what are your thoughts?

I think he has been a HOF status QB , nice avatar !

[frostno98]

The answer right now is: NO. When I think of HOF QB's, Kurt Warner's name does not jump immediately to mind. I've sorta got him in a similar category as Terrell Davis. Really good for a relatively brief period not long enough to be considered HOF.

He's not HOF right now...But if he plays for say 3-5 more years, wins another MVP, takes another team to the Super Bowl, then the answer isn't as clear cut. Kurt may turn out to be the football equivalent of a baseball "accumulator" if he plays long enough. A Don Sutton/Phil Niekro type of HOF prospect...Doesn't get in on the first ballot, but maybe eventually he does kinda guy...

Doc

Just what I was thinking. I think Terrell Davis was a greater player than Warner though. Had Davis just gotten two more 1,000 seasons, he was a lock for the HOF.

[frostno98]

My initial response was to dismiss Terrell Davis as not having played long enough. Then I thought, wait a minute and do a little research...The running back in the HOF closest to being a Davis type of candidate, really great for a short period of time, seemed to me to be Gayle Sayers.

Let's go to the numbers:
Gayle Sayers:
Games - 68
Rush Yards - 4956
Avg/carry - 5.0
TD's - 39
Receptions - 112
Yards - 1307
Avg. - 11.7
TD's - 9
Kickoffs - 91
Yards - 2781
Avg - 30.6
TD's - 6

Terrell Davis
Games - 81
Rush Yards - 7607
Avg/carry - 4.6
TD's - 60
Receptions - 169
Yards - 1280
Avg. - 7.6
TD's - 5


Doc

You forgot to add Davis Playoff stats. Almost 6 yards a carry, now that what you call being great when it really matters.

8 Games 204-1140 yards 5.6 Average 12TDS

[diogee]

Just what I was thinking. I think Terrell Davis was a greater player than Warner though. Had Davis just gotten two more 1,000 seasons, he was a lock for the HOF.

Davis was a solid back...always liked watching him despite how anti Bronco I am. Too bad how it all went down.

[purecarnagge]

Davis wasn't that good he had like 4 really really good seasons.

[jjgold]

He gets in hall after this game today