stop believing your own lies, you are in the wrong and you know it man.
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It'd be done for anyone, see above.Originally posted by woodg8Comment -
I have to say I really disagree with updating the line.
Round 2 RULES: "Lines will be posted overnight, and the following morning up to 2PM EST."
End of story, case closed. I understand that "Rules are subject to change per administrative discretion.", but there's just no need for it in this case.
You're also setting terrible precedent accomodating a player like this. Are you going to sit around updating the lines every Monday so that every player can have a chance? What if a player wants a line changed next week but no one's around to update it?
As much as I just view these contests as a nice little fun offering, and as much as I really appreciate the work that goes into running them, I think SBR needs to take their own rules slightly more seriously. This is a conflict that shouldn't have even come up, because jrich's request should've been denied.Comment -
CrazyL your just a person and so am I. But when people do the wrong thing it just comes back to them in the end. So be careful buddy.Comment -
I don't know who's right but why not see if it can be worked out before all the namecalling erupts? CrazyL is one of the hardest working mods I've ever seen. Frankly when he was hired I had some doubts, he's more than won me over. I've done a few contests for sites like this, it's a no-win situation. You bust your ass and the only time you hear anything is when you screw up. Or when someone claims you have. Nothing against you Guava, I don't know who is right or wrong, but keep in mind it's a free contest and the guy is working his butt off to win posters some free money. If it can be worked out without everyone piling on CrazyL that would be great IMO, I mean why would a site give away money if they end up taking it in the shorts every time?
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I wonder if the other dude PM'd and asked it to be changed.Comment -
Even respected posters agree with me. I won that round and should be moved on to the next.Comment -
So I can be certain that from now on, any line will be added to accomodate every losing player to give them a shot?Originally posted by CrazyL
You're gonna end up having lines of +500 at this rate.
Still don't agree with it and hopefully the right thing happens and PureGuava goes through.Comment -
I'm sure jrich did, at 3:02 the line was changed and at 3:08 he made his play.Comment -
Crazy knows that he is in the wrong here. Just admit it and fix your mistake. If not you will reap what you sow. That's what happens in life.Comment -
So the policy is the people running the contest will look for a better line if you request it? I don't know about that, I might be mad as well if that wasn't in the rules. Definitely set a precedent in the contest, I could see if it was done before.Originally posted by daggerkobeSBRLineGate
Not a big fan of contests, but from what I've seen, keeping them as simple as possible seems to be the smoothest rout for all parties involved.
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Why don't you just accomodate every losing player as of now and change all the lines? and even more people put money on this thing.Comment -
I respect your feedback, because we only offer pointspreads and totals a line of +500 would not occur.Originally posted by woodg8
If a provision needs to be made addressing this specific situation, that will be done to avoid any confusion going forward. Rest assured I have no "favorites" in this, and really just want everyone to have fun and have an equal shot at winning money, not updating a line for a poster because it was 58 minutes after a rule I created for different reasons goes against the spirit of this contest.
To be perfectly honest with you, I created the 2pm guideline to keep people from hounding me to add different games that weren't up earlier, not to prevent a player from having a fair shot at advancing when he is 6-3 compared to an opponents 7-3 and downed 1.07u.Comment -
It's just not fair, I didn't get to choose my lines, why does he?Comment -
You did it on purpose, everyone on hear knows your in the wrong. Heres to SBR losing it's integrity big time.Comment -
Was that the only line updated?Comment -
That's no different from hitting a +700 dog to win -- which you made against the rules this time.
These contests are a joke.Comment -
I hear what you're saying, but pretend you had only one play left and a current line allowed you a 'chance' at advancing, can you honestly say you wouldn't want to be allowed to have that opportunity?Originally posted by PureGuava
Rest assured, I'll add explicit verbiage to the rules thread going forward addressing this situation, it was an oversight to leave this out with regard to the time cap.
Thanks for your feedback, and understand I have no favorites or desire than to have a tournament which can be enjoyed by the posters.Comment -
It was the only line updated for the entire contest. He's full of shit, these contests are fun but they should not be rigged.Comment -
Just admit that jrich requested you change a line on a play that he liked so he could win the contest.
If I was losing and I had one play left and there was not a line posted for me to beat my opponent I would just take the loss and not be a bitch.Comment -
Crazy, I hate to say it, but if that was the only line updated seems really unfair man. Your a reasonable guy, put yourself in his shoes......Originally posted by PureGuavaComment -
Being tasked with managing these contests require I put myself in both posters shoes. So, ultimately, not everyone is going to be happy, but what I can assure you of is that all feedback is valued and going forward there will be more explicit verbiage addressing this situation so that future confusion is avoided.Originally posted by JBC77
If anyone ever disagrees, I'm all ears. Thanks.Comment -
So the new rule is this everybody: CrazyL will change a line for you on your last play even after the line is posted so that you can win.
And Crazy, everyone disagrees with you right now.Comment -
Also to think that people put money on this contest is really showing how they can rig this thing to profit themselves.Comment -
I also agree with once the lines are posted, that's what they are. In this instance, I would say the line needs to be adjusted to +107. Then if it hits, they could have a play-off on Tuesday???Comment -
pretend you had only one play left and a current line allowed you a 'chance' at advancing, can you honestly say you wouldn't want to be allowed to have that opportunity?
Wow, is it just me or does this sound really, really bad.
It would be like a gymnast being mathematically eliminated from the Gold medal contention with 1 event to go but the judges upping pts of the routine so she can still have a chance.Comment -
cabo, this is the only line he has changed in the entire contest. He knows he is doing wrong here.Comment -
OK deal. It'll be graded so that the result would be a tie, and a playoff, or a loss.Originally posted by Cabo
There's no favorites going on here, just trying to make posters happy. We'll roll with that, OK Pureguava? Remember, he can still LOSE his pick...
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The feedback thus far is rather one-sided. It seems that almost everyone is in agreement that this was unfair. Can it be corrected? If, so, it would probably be best to do so. Thats just my opinion. I never play these contests so I cant pick a side here....just going off what I'm reading in here so far.Comment -
I'd say updating it to favour one side is against the spirit of the contest. I don't like what's happened and it sets a bad prescedent for future contests/rounds. It's the equivalent of having one boxer knock someone out and having the count go to 10, only for the ref to say "nah we're going to 11 just this time so he has a shot".Originally posted by CrazyL
I'll be rooting for Jrich's pick to lose so the right contestant progresses.Comment -
PG, you're not getting anywhere attacking his integrity. Even though I disagree with Crazyl's choice on this issue, I do believe that he would've done this for anyone and that he has no bias or agenda here.Comment -
Everyone agrees with me, how about he loses like he was supposed to.Comment -
People bet money on BetJam for this contest, trust me if It was me who would of asked to change the line he most likely would not have done it. I won fair and square and should be advanced. THIS WAS THE ONLY TIME THE ENTIRE CONTEST THAT A LINE WAS CHANGED.Comment -
sorry I agree with guava. There is no way that line should stick up.Comment -
In interest of fairness, I've casted a poll. You guys can decide.
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