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  • buffettgambler
    SBR Rookie
    • 06-19-07
    • 26

    #1
    NFL Week 1: Thursday Play
    Redskins @ Giants
    Play: Redskins +4

    No- not a play against the “Super Bowl Hangover” team a variety of bettors might rationalize when deriving a position on the Redskins. Rather this is a play on the better, more rounded, healthier team, whose strengths match up against potential problems the Giants possess.

    The Redskins are a team that may fly under the radar for the first quarter (or half) of the season. They are a talented team that underachieved last season, but improved as the season progressed. They are primed to continue their late season trend, facing a team that fundamentally does not match up well against them. The Giants success defending the pass was predominantly derived from the success of their defensive line, who will take a big hit without Strahan and Usi (whose injury has been completely ignored by the market- or at the least countered by public betting). Their mediocre tackles and linebackers are now primed to be exposed for their true worth, while Tuck’s productivity and Kiwanuka’s switch back to the line should provide for early season deficiencies. Expect the Redskins running game (which should witness vast improvements compared to last years underachievement) to dictate the game early with their change of pace running back combination and big line that will take advantage of the lack of size and experience, and eventually wear down on a defensive line (which are always prone to getting worn out early in the season) that lacks the ideal depth to counter such a variable. The passing game should feed off the running game, and allow for Campbell to work within his means, a role he appeared to flourish in last season. The Redskins passing game should also see improvement this season, starting in week one, where their shifts and versatility can pose problems for a defense seeing a lot of changes and lacks experience on the outside linebacking spot to counter different looks.

    The Redskins defense is the best of the four units that will be on the field most of the game. They defend both the run and pass well, and have given Manning problems in the past, including both games last season. James and Taylor (who both will probably play below potential Thursday) add depth and a needed pass rush the team was lacking last year. This should also allow for an alleviation of blitzing schemes in which are potentially dangerous against an efficient third level passing teams. I am not sold on the Giants passing game this season, as Burress may start off slow (which offsets the potential mismatch against Rogers who is coming off knee surgery), and Toomer who is past his prime. If my bearishness on their passing game comes to fruition, the Giants offense may be dormant, as their running games effectiveness is more correlated to their passing game compared to most teams. It is also a running game that does not match up well against a fast front with solid tackling ability.

    Home field advantage? Both teams played well on the road last year, including road victories when they faced each other twice last season.

    Expect the Giants to come back to earth really fast in 2008. Their Cinderella story ended with a ring, but the new chapter will start with a loss or a close victory. As market participants rush to bid up the Super Bowl winners playing in front of their electric home crowd, I will sit back, and wait to place my bet on a sleeper Redskins team that no one wants to acknowledge. I will gladly take the four points (and potentially the plus vig that will accompany it come game time).
  • BGboothA
    SBR MVP
    • 08-07-08
    • 4202

    #2
    Great write up and thanks for the read....not sure I am going either direction on Thursday I think it could be a close game either direction. But again, great read!!! Keep it up.

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    • McBa1n
      SBR MVP
      • 01-02-06
      • 2642

      #3
      Nice write up. There's some good arguments in there that are pro taking the points, for sure.

      Here is what I've seen, though, in the preseason...
      The Giants look hungry, in general. Jacobs has looked nice and aggressive. That's a scary thing for any defense. Perhaps the G-men are more primed to set up the pass with the run instead... Not exactly Coughlin-ball, but he is a nice bruising back. I really liked how the Giants ran the ball in the preseason, regardless of unit. Not great - but solid.

      What concerns me most about the Skins Defense is their line. At tackle, especially. Obviously, their ends are not exactly scary (sorry, Taylor is not that great against the run - in fact, he's great to run AT... although, his status is still up in the air last I heard). Usually the game is won/lost at the point of attack and I really like the Giants O Line versus the Skins D Line in the running game.

      I also am a bit nervous about the game being in NY on an opening night. Although, this is a rivalry game - and the home team's advantage is mostly worthless in the series.

      I really liked the points until I started really zeroing in on the Giants...
      But what shades me towards the Skins is actually your point about the Defensive Line/LB Corps of the Giants. They are WAY down this year up front on D. It all starts with the DE play that was dominant for the G-men - it made their secondary look good, it made their LBs look good. Without the 2 studs on the ends - their line is still serviceable and can get penetration/pressure - but it is not good enough to cover for deficiencies like last year. 2 stud ends make everyone on the team that much better. With that all said - the Skins historically are committed to running the ball and can/will be able to on the Giants. I agree on the point that they can wear the Giants down.

      It's too early to grade the Skins passing game yet - so that's what has made me struggle a bit in pulling the trigger. It's really really hard to pass up the 4 points, though. This should be a tight game.
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      • arpeggiomeister
        SBR MVP
        • 05-23-08
        • 1015

        #4
        Originally posted by buffettgambler
        Redskins @ Giants
        Play: Redskins +4

        No- not a play against the “Super Bowl Hangover” team a variety of bettors might rationalize when deriving a position on the Redskins. Rather this is a play on the better, more rounded, healthier team, whose strengths match up against potential problems the Giants possess.

        The Redskins are a team that may fly under the radar for the first quarter (or half) of the season. They are a talented team that underachieved last season, but improved as the season progressed. They are primed to continue their late season trend, facing a team that fundamentally does not match up well against them. The Giants success defending the pass was predominantly derived from the success of their defensive line, who will take a big hit without Strahan and Usi (whose injury has been completely ignored by the market- or at the least countered by public betting). Their mediocre tackles and linebackers are now primed to be exposed for their true worth, while Tuck’s productivity and Kiwanuka’s switch back to the line should provide for early season deficiencies. Expect the Redskins running game (which should witness vast improvements compared to last years underachievement) to dictate the game early with their change of pace running back combination and big line that will take advantage of the lack of size and experience, and eventually wear down on a defensive line (which are always prone to getting worn out early in the season) that lacks the ideal depth to counter such a variable. The passing game should feed off the running game, and allow for Campbell to work within his means, a role he appeared to flourish in last season. The Redskins passing game should also see improvement this season, starting in week one, where their shifts and versatility can pose problems for a defense seeing a lot of changes and lacks experience on the outside linebacking spot to counter different looks.

        The Redskins defense is the best of the four units that will be on the field most of the game. They defend both the run and pass well, and have given Manning problems in the past, including both games last season. James and Taylor (who both will probably play below potential Thursday) add depth and a needed pass rush the team was lacking last year. This should also allow for an alleviation of blitzing schemes in which are potentially dangerous against an efficient third level passing teams. I am not sold on the Giants passing game this season, as Burress may start off slow (which offsets the potential mismatch against Rogers who is coming off knee surgery), and Toomer who is past his prime. If my bearishness on their passing game comes to fruition, the Giants offense may be dormant, as their running games effectiveness is more correlated to their passing game compared to most teams. It is also a running game that does not match up well against a fast front with solid tackling ability.

        Home field advantage? Both teams played well on the road last year, including road victories when they faced each other twice last season.

        Expect the Giants to come back to earth really fast in 2008. Their Cinderella story ended with a ring, but the new chapter will start with a loss or a close victory. As market participants rush to bid up the Super Bowl winners playing in front of their electric home crowd, I will sit back, and wait to place my bet on a sleeper Redskins team that no one wants to acknowledge. I will gladly take the four points (and potentially the plus vig that will accompany it come game time).
        I think you make some good points, but I am leaning towards the Giants on this one. I think a new coach will prove problematic for the Skins, at least initially. I think Eli Manning turned into a completely different quarterback in week 17 after giving the Patriots a serious run for their money. This gave him a confidence that carried over into the Play-offs. I don't see the Giants going back to the Superbowl, but I think they are getting a lot less respect than they deserve.

        I took the Giants at -4. Right or wrong, we'll know soon enough. Best of luck to you brother.
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        • McBa1n
          SBR MVP
          • 01-02-06
          • 2642

          #5
          I pulled the trigger on the Skins +180. I really like those odds for value in this spot.. The +4 1/2 is really tempting, but I think the spread won't matter in who wins this game, to be honest - and I think the Skins are good enough to win in this spot more than the odds are paying - so it's really a no brainer value play for me.

          GL to everyone, I can't wait for kickoff.
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          • White_Tiger
            SBR Sharp
            • 08-29-07
            • 465

            #6
            ni write up. GL
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            • crackerjack
              SBR MVP
              • 08-01-06
              • 3366

              #7
              Good write up. I have wavered back and forth on this one. It's up to 4.5 now... WHat I hate about the Redskins is how pathetic they looked the last few weeks of exhibition. No other team looked as bad. I am still on the fence...may take the under or buy some action points with the Giants as I think NYG will win the game. Margin of victory is question of the day...
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              • awhitejackson
                SBR MVP
                • 11-15-07
                • 2265

                #8
                Thanks for the write up...You sold me on the Skins..Especially as it looks like a 4.5 spread now. Im jumpin in...GL
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                • I LUV (.) (.)
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 08-02-08
                  • 224

                  #9
                  well the pats and colts have also look like shit so dont read into that to much.I have alittle nugget for you guys.The Redskins are 4-0 the last 4 times visiting the meadowlands.This includes the jets.They have covered the last 4 when opening the season vs a nfc east foes.This will definately be a close 1, so like T.O. once said dont forget to bring your popcorn to this one.
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