Carson Palmer is STARTING this week

[LT Profits]

Ohh, didn't know Kansas City was a so-so team. Thanks for that update.

Any time. These teams are really not that far apart, the Raider Kool-Aid is getting out of hand.

[LT Profits]

In fact, Oakland opening -3.5 at home confirms that books rate these teams even, as 3 points is for home field and the extra 0.5 point is because books expected one-way Oak action. EDIT: Books rated teams even before the trade. As I've stated many times, I don't think Palmer will change anything this week.

[ngates815]

Any time. These teams are really not that far apart, the Raider Kool-Aid is getting out of hand.

I don't care for the Raiders. I don't think they'll do anything special.

But Kansas City, is really just that bad.

[LT Profits]

I don't care for the Raiders. I don't think they'll do anything special.

But Kansas City, is really just that bad.

Not really, Cassel is healthy now (bye week big help) so that should wake up Bowe and they may have found a nice replacement for Charles in Battle. I'd label KC more so-so than bad.

[ngates815]

we'll see.


BOL with your wager. No bet for me, although I like Oakland, but not -4.5 or whatever it is.

[Wulfman14]

LT and gates . best to stay away from this one i think. palmer needs time to adjust to raiders scheme of doing things. and kc is pretty pathetic

[LT Profits]

LT and gates . best to stay away from this one i think. palmer needs time to adjust to raiders scheme of doing things. and kc is pretty pathetic

I think I've already made a case otherwise. Besides, I already bet KC +4, not expecting the 4.5.

[BernardMadoff]

Funny how people talking positive about this guy now like they dont remember his noodle arm the past 3 years while he was playing, havent heard any sportscaster bring up how he sucked the past few years now he's supposed to step in and be the Palmer of 6 years ago yea right?

[PAULYPOKER]

If you wait Lt you can get KC anywhere from 5.5 to 6.5 by kickoff......

[PAULYPOKER]

What I mean is you can add on...

[crustyme]

So what? He was better last week. It rewards rushing QB's a lot more obviously.

and you see nothing wrong with that?

you see no problem with a qb rating system that puts greater emphasis on rushing tds over passing yds and passing tds?



whats next, rbr where rbs are judged on how many td passes they throw?

[LT Profits]

If you wait Lt you can get KC anywhere from 5.5 to 6.5 by kickoff......

First, I have no interest in making KC a double-up play. Second, if the line moves THAT much against me, then I made an awful play and have no interest in compounding it.

[crustyme]

Crusty, lets have a calm coversation here. I posted the stats yesterday, since palmer suffered his knee and elbow/arm injuries, Orton is a better quarterback. Thats in the numbers.

Also, im just curious why it matters what palmer did his first 5 years? You realized he missed almost an entire season and has not been the same guy since, right? Thats what we have to go by, theres no way he magically reverts back to his elite self.

after he suffered his knee injury, he had back to back 4035 yds 28 td & 4131 yds 26 td seasons.

after his elbow injury, he led the bungholes to 4-0 vs. ravens and steelers and an improbable division title. then next season threw for nearly 4000 yds & 26 tds again.

obviously, his injuries had no long term effect on him whatsoever, yet you keep harping about it like they were career ending.

[suicidekings]

I think a lot of the comments about Palmer in this thread are exaggerated. He's a smart guy, able to make the most of the time he has available. I suspect conditioning may be an issue, but not a huge one.

I'm not advocating a play on the Raiders here but this matchup is between two run-first offenses and anything either QB does in this game will really be a bonus. I actually expect Palmer to play a decent game. Nothing spectacular, but KC's pass rush is abysmal so he should have the time to work and his unfamiliarity with the Raider offense is being overstated considering he should have a good handle on the basics of Jackson's playbook.

On the other side, I don't care how healthy Matt Cassell is, he was the worst QB in the NFL last season on 20+ yard plays, so he's really only capable of nickel & diming the Oakland defense here on short plays. Both teams have poor secondaries so really I would say both QBs have an equal chance of making an impact on this game. The current OAK -4.5 seems to be just about right to me. I won't be surprised which team covers.

[zsr]

after he suffered his knee injury, he had back to back 4035 yds 28 td & 4131 yds 26 td seasons.

after his elbow injury, he led the bungholes to 4-0 vs. ravens and steelers and an improbable division title. then next season threw for nearly 4000 yds & 26 tds again.

obviously, his injuries had no long term effect on him whatsoever, yet you keep harping about it like they were career ending.

your right, 4k yards and 20 picks is an elite season. Especially when your team wins what, 5 games. Like i said im going to lol when you actually watch him play. 19th in QB rating last year, had the second most interceptions

Also LOL at palmer LED the bengals to a division title, are you kidding me? The defense was amazing and the running game was amazing, that was a terrible year 3,000 yards 21 TD 13 picks fukin lol. im done arguing with you, get your head out of your ass

[thebestthereis]

palmer has been practicing with his kids and taking care of himself too

[crustyme]

your right, 4k yards and 20 picks is an elite season. Especially when your team wins what, 5 games. Like i said im going to lol when you actually watch him play.

you're right, it's all palmer's fault that their swiss cheese defense was at the bottom in pts allowed and his receivers stopped running their routes.



and yes, throwing 20 ints clearly means he's washed up and should hang it up. just like brees (22 ints) and eli (25 ints).

[zsr]

crusty 19th in QB rating just lol. Stop trying to compare him to elite quarterbacks your just embarrassing yourself like you did when you said he's better than rivers. Also LOL at palmer LED the bengals to a division title, are you kidding me? The defense was amazing and the running game was amazing, that was a terrible year 3,000 yards 21 TD 13 picks fukin lol. im done arguing with you, get your head out of your ass

[crustyme]

your right, 4k yards and 20 picks is an elite season. Especially when your team wins what, 5 games. Like i said im going to lol when you actually watch him play. 19th in QB rating last year, had the second most interceptions

Also LOL at palmer LED the bengals to a division title, are you kidding me? The defense was amazing and the running game was amazing, that was a terrible year 3,000 yards 21 TD 13 picks fukin lol. im done arguing with you, get your head out of your ass

so montana and roethlisberger had nothing to do with their teams success in making the playoffs when they each passed for 3000 yds?

[zsr]

so montana and roethlisberger had nothing to do with their teams success in making the playoffs when they each passed for 3000 yds?

Are you joking? Steelers made the playoffs with the same running game and defense approach when ben threw for 3,000. Montana never threw anything close to 3,000 over a full 16 games, the one time he did he threw for 31 touchdowns.

Palmer is a middle of the road quarterback, every single stat on the planet proves that. Your a fukin idiot.

[crustyme]

Are you joking? Steelers made the playoffs with the same running game and defense approach when ben threw for 3,000. Montana never threw anything close to 3,000 over a full 16 games, the one time he did he threw for 31 touchdowns.

Palmer is a middle of the road quarterback, every single stat on the planet proves that. Your a fukin idiot.

so they had nothing to do with their teams successes.

[big0mar]

OAK might have the best defensive line rotation in the NFL. I don't see how KC's front can block them.

The Carson Palmer angle in this game is worthless. Its a game that Oakland will win because they have better offensive and defensive fronts.

[pavyracer]

First, I have no interest in making KC a double-up play. Second, if the line moves THAT much against me, then I made an awful play and have no interest in compounding it.

It's already 5.5 at 5dimes LT. When are you going to jump ship and join the good guys with Palmer commandeering the Raider ship to victory?

[zsr]

so they had nothing to do with their teams successes.

Its too funny that in one breath when they win its all because of palmer, and when he racks up yards its all because of him, but when they lose its because the wideouts did this or the line did that or the defensive did that. This thread is a fukin burial. You should of stopped after saying palmer is better than rivers

[crustyme]

Its too funny that in one breath when they win its all because of palmer, and when he racks up yards its all because of him, but when they lose its because the wideouts did this or the line did that or the defensive did that. This thread is a fukin burial. You should of stopped after saying palmer is better than rivers

any qb that passes for 3000 yds had nothing to do with their team's success.

gotcha.

[PhillyFlyers]

The Raiders are much more dangerous now with Palmer than with Campbell. Run Dmac and then give the opposing d a taste of DHB, Moore, Boss, Schilens, Ford, or Taiwan Jones.

[zsr]

Yea cuz that's what i said. what a burial.

[TroyGreen]

Play the under, expect the Raiders to play ball control....vanilla until Palmer can get acclimated with the playbook.

BennyFang, you must be from the Bay Area because you use the propaganda term "vanilla".

Why did your team get smashed on?
Bay Area answer, "because we didn't use our playbook, we kept it vanilla"

Then when the teams run the same plays and they work people hype it up as ingenuity.

[crustyme]

The Raiders are much more dangerous now with Palmer than with Campbell. Run Dmac and then give the opposing d a taste of DHB, Moore, Boss, Schilens, Ford, or Taiwan Jones.

bingo.

here's a great stat about palmer vs. campbell on passes over 20 yards last season:

palmer over 60% completion & 14 tds
campbell 20% & 1 td

[TroyGreen]

OAK might have the best defensive line rotation in the NFL. I don't see how KC's front can block them.

The Carson Palmer angle in this game is worthless. Its a game that Oakland will win because they have better offensive and defensive fronts.

Oakland is solid upfront against the pass. Over the course of the game they wear on opposing lines and get to the QB late in the game. They are pretty big up front and can get pressure with 4 when needed. They don't have a true speed rusher but the front can bang.

Imo you have to be high up in run D with allot of sacks to be considered the best front in the game.

Problem with what I just wrote is that KC is a running team.

[Killer_Demo]

Not even close, squares are on Oakland believing Palmer is the Messiah. 81% are on Oakland so far through 9000 bets, this is a heavily bet game for two so-so teams.

well if you know the raiders so much you would know they arent a predominant-passing team. Most of the raiders plays are run. So I doubt most raiders-backers are gonna lay action just because of palmer. D-Mac will carry 20+ times this game

[Cover4]

This should indeed be interesting.

[suicidekings]

Well, I bit on it. KC +6 (-108) x1. This line is out of control, but that's value... I'd be shocked if it doesn't fall back down quite a bit.

[LT Profits]

well if you know the raiders so much you would know they arent a predominant-passing team. Most of the raiders plays are run. So I doubt most raiders-backers are gonna lay action just because of palmer. D-Mac will carry 20+ times this game

That's actually another good reason to back KC, as this line is getting inflated for really no good reason.

[gochiefs]

Chiefs are now +7 on 5dimes. I'm in for 3 units.