Adam Vinatieri looks to be headed to the Colts

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  • onlooker
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    • 08-10-05
    • 36572

    #1
    Adam Vinatieri looks to be headed to the Colts
    Did that Vanderjagt miss in the playoffs make his number for the Colts? Well looks like they will have a more clutch kicker in the coming seasons with Vinatieri.

    Vinatieri agrees in principle to deal with Colts

    By Len Pasquarelli
    ESPN.com

    In a move fraught with irony on any number of fronts, the most accurate field goal kicker in NFL history is about to be replaced by one of the most clutch placement specialists in the game.

    Unrestricted free agent Adam Vinatieri, who provided the winning field goals in two of the New England Patriots' three Super Bowl victories, has reached a contract agreement in principle with the Indianapolis Colts, ESPN.com has learned.

    Complete terms of the contract were not immediately available, but league sources told ESPN.com that the multiyear deal includes a signing bonus of $3.5 million and that it averages $2.5 million over the first three years of the contract.

    There remains some detail work still to be done on the contract, but sources said that it could be completed by late Tuesday night. Vinatieri is scheduled to fly to Indianapolis for a Wednesday news conference.

    Vinatieri played the 2005 season for the Patriots under the one-year qualifying offer for a kicker, in his case $2.6 million-plus. The Pats opted not designate Vinatieri as a franchise player for a second consecutive season, because it would have cost them more than $3 million.

    That decision could end up costing New England far more, since Vinatieri will be difficult to replace, both on and off the field.

    Vinatieri, whose performance under fire had come to be symbolic of the Patriots' excellence under coach Bill Belichick, and whose departure will be a significant blow to New England, will replace longtime Colts kicker Mike Vanderjagt. Though most recently remembered for his last-second miss against the Pittsburgh Steelers in a divisional-round playoff defeat two months ago, a 46-yard attempt that would have sent that game into overtime, Vanderjagt is the most accurate field goal kicker in league history.

    But Vinatieri has become famous, and nearly iconic in New England, for converting such clutch kicks over the course of his 10-year career. And at age 33, he might become even better, given that he will be kicking much of the time in a domed stadium now, after a career often spent in blustery conditions.

    Notable, of course, in Vinatieri's move to Indianapolis is that the Colts and Patriots have been rivals for the last several seasons.

    In 10 seasons, Vinatieri has connected on 263 of 321 field goal tries and 367 of 374 extra point attempts. He has scored 100 points or more in all 10 seasons, with a career best 141 points in 2004. In 2005, he had 100 points, converting 20 of 25 field goals and 40 of 41 extra points. Vinatieri passed the legendary Gino Cappellitti last season as the leading scorer in New England franchise history.

    Vinatieri has 19 game-winning field goals in his career, including two in Super Bowl victories. His 48-yard field goal as time expired lifted the Patriots to a 20-17 win over St. Louis in Super Bowl XXXVI. In Super Bowl XXXVIII, his 41-yarder with four seconds remaining nudged the Pats past Carolina, 32-29.

    There was some speculation Tuesday night that the Patriots might consider Vanderjagt as a replacement for Vinatieri, but those rumors were unsubstantiated. The loss of Vinatieri, coupled with the exit of 12-year veteran linebacker Willie McGinest last week will leave some leadership void with the Patriots, because the two players were so tied to the team and its persona.

    The deal was shocking, not only for its obvious implications, but also for the timing. There were no hints before Tuesday afternoon that the Colts were interested in Vinatieri, who visited last week with Green Bay officials, but left without a contract. The consensus was that Vinatieri, who was said to be disappointed by the five-year, $10 million contract that former Packers kicker Ryan Longwell signed with Minnesota last week, because it did not drive up the market, might wait a while before deciding his future.

    The consensus around the league also was that Indianapolis might have to settle for a young, lesser-known kicker to supplant Vanderjagt.

    Indianapolis last week re-signed journeyman kicker Jose Cortez, who was with the Colts at the end of the 2005 season as a kickoff specialist, for insurance.

    There was never any chance that Vanderjagt, who was involved in a well-publicized spat with quarterback Peyton Manning a few years ago, would return in 2006. The eight-year veteran, as talented as he is, was never a favorite of Indianapolis management, and everyone understood he would move on at the end of the 2005 campaign.

    Vanderjagt, 34, has converted 217 of 248 field goals, for a league-record 87.5-percent success rate. The former West Virginia star, who began his career in the CFL, has also made 344 of 346 extra points.
  • The Great One
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 02-08-06
    • 792

    #2
    Yep, we get the guy that is credited for putting Tom Brady on the map since brady gets the credit for all of those SB wins by a total of what, 9 points. Hopefully, he still has the leg to make clutch kicks for the Colts. Vandershank sucks and should not be allowed back in the country. You Canadians can have that ****.
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    • Illusion
      Restricted User
      • 08-09-05
      • 25166

      #3
      Manning finally replaced his idiot kicker. Great signing by the Colts.
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      • Dead Money
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        • 08-30-05
        • 706

        #4
        Man being from Boston. I'm trying to figure out who is the biggest assclown. Damon or Vinatieri.


        Leaning towards Damon though.
        I hope Adam gets his dick stuck up Peyton's ass....trader!!!!



        Unreal, Don't theese guys have any loyalty anymore? Seems like if they had to choose between 3 million and 3.1 million a season, that No matter what the circumstances you take the extra 100k.
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        • onlooker
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          • 08-10-05
          • 36572

          #5
          Originally posted by Dead Money
          Unreal, Don't theese guys have any loyalty anymore? Seems like if they had to choose between 3 million and 3.1 million a season, that No matter what the circumstances you take the extra 100k.
          With all due respect DM. But do you really think Kickers think more about winning superbowls or money?
          Im sure all the Kickers would jump to the chance to make bigger bucks then to win a superbowl, I dont think they have that fire like other position players. They are the most disrespected players in football.
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          • The Great One
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            • 02-08-06
            • 792

            #6
            [QUOTE=Dead Money]Man being from Boston. I'm trying to figure out who is the biggest assclown. Damon or Vinatieri.
            QUOTE]


            I'd go with Deady Brewski.

            I won't get into it now, but tell me you don't frequent the Indystar Colts message board. The place is littered with 54% of the population of Massachusetts. I've been banned 4 times. I don't bother anymore as the majorityof the people on there are flat out pussies.

            And please tell me, even though the Patsies with Brady have the SB's, you know Manning is the better quarterback.
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            • Dark Horse
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-14-05
              • 13764

              #7
              Wow. For some reason this is bigger news to me than TO. No way the Patriots can replace this guy, which means they can no longer rely as heavily on Brady's ability to get them in FG range on the final drive. Huge.
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              • The Great One
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                • 02-08-06
                • 792

                #8
                Oh, the Patsies can replace him. They have the best front office in the biz. They had him when he was in his prime.

                But, you do don't you? Geeze. That just amazes me.

                Best 3 QB's playing right now.

                1. Peyton Manning.
                2. Carson Palmer
                3. Tom Brady
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                • onlooker
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                  • 08-10-05
                  • 36572

                  #9
                  If you cant beat the Patriots, take away one of their biggest weapons. Getting that weapon on your own team, priceless.

                  Then again, Manning needs to get the Patriots out of his head.
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                  • onlooker
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 36572

                    #10
                    Originally posted by The Great One
                    QB's playing right now.

                    2. Carson Palmer
                    Any word on his injury? Who knows, he may not be playing.
                    So that will push your buddy up from 3 to 2.
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                    • The Great One
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                      • 02-08-06
                      • 792

                      #11
                      Oh and before you inevitably will call him a choke artist and you will.

                      This is the only year since he became the best QB ever that they were favored to win. And in the past 3 years, he and the Colts have lost to the eventual SB champs. 2 of the years were on the road and when he had absoltely one of the league's worst defenses all when Brady was throwing for 178 yards a game.

                      If Vinatieri was never on that team, no one would even consider Brady as an upper eschalant quaterback. It's just cause they had team success while he put up mediocre numbers.
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                      • Dark Horse
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                        • 12-14-05
                        • 13764

                        #12
                        I'm just a gambler. That means I don't root for teams unless I have money on them. Obviously Pats will replace Vinatieri. What is harder to replace is 'clutch'. He has it. So does Brady. That doesn't mean that players who don't have it are 'choke artists'. There's a whole area with different shades of grey between those two extremes.
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                        • Dead Money
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                          • 08-30-05
                          • 706

                          #13
                          "They are the most disrespected players in football"



                          With moves like this I see why.

                          This move to Pats fans is the equivelant of Jeter leaving the Yankees to play for the Mets or Sox.


                          Pretty shocking to me.
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                          • bigboydan
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 55420

                            #14
                            DM, you boys couldn't keep him for that type of money. he's a kicker for crist sake.
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                            • Willie Bee
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                              • 02-14-06
                              • 15726

                              #15
                              This will be very interesting to see how it plays out. My Boston pals are comparing this to Caveman Damon leaving the Sawks and going to the Evil Empire. Not sure that Vinatieri necessarily makes the Colts better, but it does (at least momentarily) weaken the Patriots.

                              Very curious to see who New England fills Vinatieri's slot with, as well as where Vanderjagt winds up.
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                              • The Great One
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                                • 02-08-06
                                • 792

                                #16
                                I would like to make a staright up trade: Dungy for Bellichick. I'd probably throw in a 2nd rounder as well.

                                The Colts problem is that Manning runs the team entirely. He decides when they punt on 4th down, he decided EVERY play where the ball is going. I'm not talkin audibles at all.

                                Dungy was brought in to be a defensive coordinator. He doesn't have the strength to be a head coach.
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                                • kalmikrazy
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                                  • 09-01-05
                                  • 418

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by The Great One
                                  I would like to make a staright up trade: Dungy for Bellichick. I'd probably throw in a 2nd rounder as well.

                                  The Colts problem is that Manning runs the team entirely. He decides when they punt on 4th down, he decided EVERY play where the ball is going. I'm not talkin audibles at all.

                                  Dungy was brought in to be a defensive coordinator. He doesn't have the strength to be a head coach.

                                  Couldnt agree more. I can see Manning winning 1 SB ring wirh Dungy at the most. I am a Brady fan and even with his mediocre numbers, he has 3 rings. The guy that put the Pats in the position to be in most of the games in the end was bellichick's game planning, brady's decision making and the cherry on top was the kicker.

                                  I would love to see the pats get vanderjagt. would make things interesting to say the least....lol

                                  Alot of people seem to be very high on D.Rhodes to replace the edge but i want to see him put in a whole season and than follow it up the next year as well. Things in the AFC will once again be the best part of the NFL.
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                                  • Seattle Slew
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-02-06
                                    • 7373

                                    #18
                                    As a 30-year Patriots fans (first memory was Stabler scoring on the QB bootleg in the infamous roughing the passer game in 1977) I gotta disagree with your take. I give NFL players much more freedom to switch teams since they play in the most dangerous sport and make little money compared to the other sports. Granted, Vinatieri isn't playing linebacker, but I wish him well, as well as Willie McGinist, who redid his contract several times to remain with the Pats. The Pats should have paid him the $3 million. As other posters mentioned, he is a big part of that offense, being just about a sure thing on any field.

                                    I have a harder time with Johnny Damon, since I find it hard to believe a baseball player can't make due with $9 million a season as opposed to $11 million.

                                    Vinatieri's kick against the Rams was one of the best moments in NE sports history. I ended a 16-year drought between pro titles and saved a game the Pats had dominated, yet looked destined to lose.

                                    Originally posted by Dead Money
                                    Man being from Boston. I'm trying to figure out who is the biggest assclown. Damon or Vinatieri.


                                    Leaning towards Damon though.
                                    I hope Adam gets his dick stuck up Peyton's ass....trader!!!!



                                    Unreal, Don't theese guys have any loyalty anymore? Seems like if they had to choose between 3 million and 3.1 million a season, that No matter what the circumstances you take the extra 100k.
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                                    • Seattle Slew
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 01-02-06
                                      • 7373

                                      #19
                                      I think a bigger problem is your offensive coordinator Tom Moore. Time for him to retire. They need to bring in a coach who will call the plays for Manning and bag that hurry-up offense, which doesn't work late in the season. You still have Manning do his audibles, but you gotta have some structure in the play calling.

                                      Originally posted by The Great One
                                      I would like to make a staright up trade: Dungy for Bellichick. I'd probably throw in a 2nd rounder as well.

                                      The Colts problem is that Manning runs the team entirely. He decides when they punt on 4th down, he decided EVERY play where the ball is going. I'm not talkin audibles at all.

                                      Dungy was brought in to be a defensive coordinator. He doesn't have the strength to be a head coach.
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                                      • The Great One
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 02-08-06
                                        • 792

                                        #20
                                        It's good to see even some Pats fans can be somewhat obejective. If you want to see what I'm talking about, you can go to the Colts message baord by the Indy Star. There are a ton of patsie fans there that are just about as clueless and ignorant as someone can become.

                                        What I admire about the Patriots organization is they are ruthless. Meaning when a player can no longer perform or umderporming his salary, he's gone. The Colts aren't like that. As a Colts fan, once Manning is out of his prime, I think the Colts will be in the celler for at least 5 years because we will hold on to everyone. Trust me, Manning has the most say in the Colts organization and thats the problem. He is also loyal to a fault.

                                        I just hate when people act like he's not a great quaterback because he has zero super bowls. He has had a horrendous defense every year except last. I remember in 2003 a game at K.C., Manning threw for 5 TD's and over 350 yards and the Colts still lost. That should tell you something right there. On the other hand, there are games when Brady will throw for 120 yards and the Pats. will win.

                                        But, I'm objective, Brady does have a certain calmness about him. I'm not saying he sucks. I stated above, i beleive he is the 3rd best QB in the NFL at this time.

                                        I also think that if Palmer didn't get hurt on the 1st play of the game, they would have beaten Pittsburgh. They were leading at halftime with Jon Kitna.
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                                        • Willie Bee
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                                          • 02-14-06
                                          • 15726

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by The Great One
                                          What I admire about the Patriots organization is they are ruthless.
                                          Interesting, TGO. Did you by any chance write the article below?

                                          Pretty funny piece for my money...


                                          Brushback.com
                                          BOSTON--The Red Sox traded pitcher Bronson Arroyo to the Cincinnati Reds yesterday in a heartless manner eerily similar to that of Patriots coach Bill Belichick, a 3-time Super Bowl champion. Since winning the World Series in 2004, the Red Sox have systematically dismantled the beloved group in favor of younger, cheaper newcomers, all in a desperate attempt to impress the cold-hearted Belichick.

                                          “We traded away Bronson Arroyo, even after we convinced him to sign a discounted deal with us on the premise that we would not trade him,” said Red Sox GM Theo Epstein. “It’s pretty rough, but we did it for the good of the team. That’s why we do everything around here. We’re just like the Patriots in that respect. By the way, has anybody told Bill Belichick about this? I’m sure he would appreciate it. Let me know what he says about it, OK?”

                                          The Red Sox also let fan favorite Johnny Damon go to the Yankees this offseason rather than pay him a penny more than his fair market value, taking a page right out of the Patriots playbook.

                                          “Even though I wasn’t here at the time, I totally agreed with the Damon thing,” said Epstein. “We love Johnny, but you can’t overpay people in this business. Bill Belichick wouldn’t do that. Bill Belichick would make a low ball offer and tell the guy to take it or leave it. Then he would fill his roster spot with some cheap, middle-of-the-road free agent and go on to win another Super Bowl. That’s how you run a football team. It’s not how you run a baseball team, but that’s not going to stop us.”

                                          Belichick and the Patriots have achieved unprecedented success by mastering the salary cap and dealing with their most productive and loyal players with a cold, frightening sense of detachment. The strategy has produced 3 Super Bowl victories.

                                          On top of that, it’s totally cool and awesome how Belichick just doesn’t give a shit.

                                          “Belichick is not sentimental. Belichick treats his players like livestock,” said Red Sox assistant GM Jed Hoyer, who gets a twinkle in his eye every time he mentions the Patriots head coach. “We’ve tried to emulate him, not out of any personal admiration, but simply because he's had so much success. We are like the baseball version of the Patriots, even though MLB and the NFL have wildly different economic structures and the same philosophies really don’t apply to both leagues.”

                                          “What? What are you all looking at?" he continued. "Oh this? This is just my grey hooded sweatshirt. Yea it doesn’t fit very well, but I really don’t care about my appearance. I’m just here to win ball games. I don’t have time to worry about stuff like that.”

                                          The Red Sox began trying to impress Belichick in 2004, when they traded away local icon Nomar Garciaparra for talented shortstop Orlando Cabrera, who played a key role in the team’s World Series victory and then left via free agency when the Red Sox refused to even making an offer.

                                          Two years later, that World Series team is a distant memory, much like the Patriots 3 Super Bowl teams.

                                          “There’s bound to be high turnover in baseball, just like football,” said Epstein. “You see it with the Patriots. They win Super Bowls and then basically get rid of anybody who costs too much, no matter how good they are. That’s the approach we’re taking here. Hell, we’re not even going to sign David Ortiz to an extension until the last minute, just because we want to make sure that he’s for real and these past 3 years haven’t been a fluke. Don’t worry. He won’t get offended if we drag our feet. Baseball players aren’t the sensitive types.”

                                          When reached for comment at his home, Belichick confessed that he wasn’t impressed by the move at all.

                                          “Actually I’m not too impressed with that move,” Belichick said. “It was totally unethical. I would never imply to a player that I wasn’t going to trade him. Instead I just say, ‘You mean nothing to me. You’re totally expendable, and you’re only here because there is a position to fill and you’re cheap. Don’t expect to be here more than two years.’ In fact, that statement is hanging up in the locker room just so nobody forgets. It's a real morale booster.”
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                                          • The General
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 13279

                                            #22
                                            Matt S or Adam V or both have to go after this season. I wonder how Indy will handle the kicking position. Adam V hasn't been stellar even when healthy and Stover is the oldest player to ever play in a Super Bowl.

                                            I'd guess Polian will get a new younger kicker. If Colts win, Adam will have some serious rings for his fingers, though.
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