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  • StackinGreen
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-09-10
    • 12140

    #1
    Super Bowl Selection - Ea$y Green
    It's been a helluva run this year, boys, and I'm back for the Super Bowl pick. The upcoming game is very intriguing for several reasons, and brings up quite a few interesting questions. Does anyone have the answers? That's why we handicap it, and ultimately you decide. The "voting" here, however, isn't with your feet but rather with the

    By this time it should be pretty clear who I like, but we do have a spread to consider, and more importantly, we should enumerate the reasons why.

    Let's hit the top points, those that most heavily factor into the conclusion that Green Bay will cover the 2.5 and likely 3 won't be a problem either, if you aren't on the Vegas Strip.

    As I've said on other poster's threads, there are two major components indicating a Green Bay victory on Sunday:

    1) The fast track in Dallas AND
    2) The offensive line woes of Pittsburgh

    I've heard that some people think Green Bay will be rendered 1-dimensional by Pittsburgh's ability to stuff the run. My first response is, "Green Bay only needs 1 dimension." Remember, people, this is 1 game. The running game is important in a single game, but is generally more of a long term consideration of success given how fickle and adaptable a team can be given its game plan and adjustments to the other team in that very game.

    Having said that, I know that Kurt Warner has said that once they spread the field, things opened up for them against Pittsburgh's defense. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this year's Pittsburgh team (which I actually think is a notch below the teams of the past in all facets, just slightly, and those teams actually were pretty fortunate if not downright lucky to win the past 2 Super Bowls) has a susceptible secondary. This has been the case all year. With the proper game plan, and God knows they have the weapons, the Packers should be able to throw AND run out of a spread-set. Don't forget that although it can be somewhat risky, Rodgers is really really fast and he can cause major problems for the opposing team when and if they are spread apart. The perfect footing of the playing field only helps that. Looking to Pittsburgh's offense, they have run the ball well recently but this team really hasn't been a running team for a few years now, they rely on Big Ben standing for a LONG time in the pocket (risking many sacks) in order to make big plays in the air, especially on third down. Now, he is one of the best at doing this and I'm definitely not underestimating him here. The line issue seems like it will haunt Pittsburgh here regarding both run and pass and remember, the only weapon they have to stretch the field (perhaps this is all they need) is Wallace. But on the other side, the Packers almost have 5. There's just something about James Starks and his late season performance, which just seems to happen for the right team and the right time. Was he supposed to do it against Atlanta or Chicago? In the end, he was effective enough, if not exceeding expectations. That's just gut feeling, though.

    So (1) and (2) converge and become the two biggest reasons why Titletown gets another.

    Along with the Starks gut feeling, that is, "It just seems like it is Green Bay's year," we also have the fact that Pittsburgh as said previously, was arguably not even the better team the last time they won the Super Bowl. You could look at it two ways: they have the intangibles (including buying off the refs in the Super Bowl vs. Seattle) and they have the clutch playmakers or ... their luck is going to run out.

    I think the combination of luck running out and that they are relatively overmatched (if McCarthy does things right!) is the obvious play.

    I should say one more thing about the Green Bay defense: they will be keying on Mendenhall early. He is definitely the wild card (along with the O-line). My guess (no IFs here, I hate those) is that he has trouble and that spells trouble for the Pittsburgh offense in general. Green Bay will get penetration and pressure, with sacks on 2nd and 3rd down. In general this game seems to be an OVER play, but I only have real faith in GB getting more than 24. I don't see Pittsburgh scoring that much.

    All in all, my recommendation is to take Green Bay -2.5 and forget the rest. I've been riding them and there is no reason to stop now.

    When I see my proposition bets come out, I'll come back and throw a few thoughts out there, but I'll leave a teaser and tell you I'll be betting on

    Jordy Nelson
    Heath Miller
    James Starks

    for first TD, unless the odds aren't double digits for the top two and good for Starks.

    Best of luck to all. It's been a fun playoff run.

    SG
  • MR.HARRYtheHAT
    SBR MVP
    • 09-20-09
    • 1018

    #2
    The Packers will have huge issues running against the Steelers front seven.I am one who is impressed by what James Starks has done,but ready to say he is the answer.The Packers are going to need to run the ball to help Rodgers with the play-action.They are tough and get after it better than anyone in the league.That being said, I really believe that the Packers will be able to throw against the Steelers (ie Week 15 of 2009) if they are able to keep the pass rush at bay.Aaron Smith is most likely going to play for the first time in months, so the task gets immediately more complicated.I think playing in a controlled environment will allow Rodgers to have a heck of a game.Troy Polamalu is going to have two weeks to get back to 100%,you could tell he wasn't on top of his game this week.

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    The Steelers defense is very difficult,but it wont be anything the Packers haven't seen before.Its the Super Bowl so there is more information about this game than it probably warrants.Still with an estimate of 10 billion dollars being wagered clearly the Big Game is big business for the books.But with so much scrutiny how do you get an edge though is the Packers-Steelers gambling conundrum.Some say props are the way to go and you can bet on everything including how long the national anthem will be.I tend to agree but sometimes the props are over and done with so quickly that watching the game becomes pretty boring.I say for this one play it old school and just pick the straight up winner.If you are on GB you get a decent payout (1.74) and if you like the Steelers you can double your money (2.15) don’t see that happening!..Why??.... Packers pass D is light years ahead of last year when we had a ST only guy playing nickel and a street FA from 2 weeks earlier playing dime!Bush and Bell should never have been on the field last year for anything other than ST! Steelers were w/o Polamalu in the vs Pack last year and we all know what kind of a difference maker he can be.Packers w/ Williams,Wood and Shields can match up man to man w/ your WR and do a good job of holding them in check.On the other hand I don’t see you being able to match our WR depth nearly as well, even w/ Polamalu… Unless you harrass Rodgers into playing un-Rodgers like, I see it being an advantage for the Pack!Don’t see either team running the ball very well, so thats a wash… Punting and Field Position might be the deciding factor in a relatively low scoring game! 21-17 one way or the other. Cheese and Wine after the game… LOL Go Cheese Heads/Pack is back by 4
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    • allenc85
      SBR Sharp
      • 03-26-10
      • 403

      #3
      Like the write up, and think you may be right on the Pack... I'm still on the fence but enjoy reading your opinion.... I also like the under, GL
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      • beanbag
        SBR MVP
        • 01-21-10
        • 2364

        #4
        Black and yellow!
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        • TheAccountant
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 11-03-09
          • 658

          #5
          I like the write up and fundamentally agree with your analysis..however, this is one game and these teams are very evenly matched. With all the injury variables in play this is tough to cap..

          I like Steeler ML +130
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          • bruce_outside
            SBR High Roller
            • 09-24-08
            • 199

            #6
            thanks for the write up. i think rodgers may be dinged up. leaning pit + pts.
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            • Dave ATS
              SBR High Roller
              • 10-15-09
              • 104

              #7
              There are some pretty BIG assumptions here. Pitt will run the ball and watch the attempts escalate throughout the game. The only way this does not happen is if the Packers get out to a big, big lead because of turnovers. Pitt will run or throw out of multiple receiver sets and use 2 or 3 TE formations to create more gaps and keep the Packers defense guessing. Time of possession is crucial to Pitt and will be their number 1 goal. We all know the obvious reasons for this. One oversight is that Wallace for Pitt is the only big play/deep threat. Both Brown and Sanders pose the same threat with speed and YAC. Heath Miller will be a big containment problem as the Packers have trouble with TE of Miller's skill set. The fast track works both ways and see this as a wash. Pitt will pressure and harass Rodgers all day and if that happens, it is the tried and true recipe of limiting as much as possible a great QB. With all of the Packer hype, I'll take Pitt and the points in this pressure game.
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              • Stevedore
                SBR MVP
                • 11-10-10
                • 1218

                #8
                Going to be a great game. IMO if Starks has 22+ carries GB will win. He's been averaging 22 a game in the playoffs. It's not the yards but the carries that sets up GB's play action passing game. GB won't go 4 and 5 wide the whole game; too much pressure on the O-line if they do this. They'll mix it up and and have a good ratio of run to pass.
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                • Smogs
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-31-08
                  • 4173

                  #9
                  Some fantastic views on this game and the first two write ups are excellent - thanks guys
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                  • KACK
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 11-19-09
                    • 976

                    #10
                    This super bowl is a tough game to cap...I don't like the Pouncey injury especially how important a center is for all the blitz packages... Can the GB running game be successful against a great defense? I'm leaning a little toward GB but I'm still undecided....
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                    • Sg
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 01-24-11
                      • 23

                      #11
                      I've said this over and over and over.

                      Last nine games, Pitt allowed 9 tds.

                      Every team spreads out Pitts defense, with the exception of the Pats, none have had success.

                      Wallace, Sanders, Brown, I guess they aren't playing on fast track?

                      Nobody can cover Heath Miller.

                      Sure their o-line is a joke, but they didn't have many issues against Balt and NYJ.

                      Open your eyes people, Pitt is the real deal.
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                      • the-phenomenal-1
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 12-27-10
                        • 351

                        #12
                        superbowl

                        i think it will be a close game could come down to turnover and maybe a defensive touchdown anyway its gonna be a great game to watch this year great matchup
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                        • chargers4222
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-16-10
                          • 4702

                          #13
                          aw yea airin rodgers baby lets go lock city green bay is a lock no way they lose
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                          • Cris_from_Europe
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 09-25-09
                            • 343

                            #14
                            Go with the points in this one ... Black and Yellow !!!
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                            • cadillac pete
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-15-06
                              • 1675

                              #15
                              Not going to jump off the Packer train now. They've been $$ this post season.
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                              • face
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 01-31-11
                                • 14740

                                #16
                                obv the packers win, because they are better at playing football
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                                • StackinGreen
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-09-10
                                  • 12140

                                  #17
                                  "Heath Miller will be a big containment problem as the Packers have trouble with TE of Miller's skill set."

                                  Possible if not probable. Good point.

                                  "The fast track works both ways and see this as a wash."

                                  You're wrong on this. Edge is to the pack. Did you watch the Atlanta game?

                                  The assumptions I make are MY analysis. Notice I didn't say "if this happens or if that happens" --- that's what lame handicappers do. I'm telling you what I think will happen.

                                  Pittsburgh gives up points. Of the two teams here, only the Steelers offense has a chance of getting relatively shut down, in my opinion. Am I saying that they won't score? No, I'm just saying I think it's highly improbable that GB doesn't put up points in this game. Basically, the over is dependent on Pitt scoring and I'm not sure I want to risk that. I like GB more.

                                  What lines does everyone have? My prop opinions will come out shortly ...
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                                  • Dave ATS
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 10-15-09
                                    • 104

                                    #18
                                    Yes, you are right. When you see something like...(if McCarthy does things right!), it does seem kind of lame. I did watch the game in Atlanta but the Packers are playing Pitt this week.
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                                    • StackinGreen
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-09-10
                                      • 12140

                                      #19
                                      a little harder

                                      Originally posted by Dave ATS
                                      Yes, you are right. When you see something like...(if McCarthy does things right!), it does seem kind of lame. I did watch the game in Atlanta but the Packers are playing Pitt this week.
                                      I would say touche if you had an appropriate point ... but you don't. My analysis is based on the fact that you can spread them and he SHOULD. Not something like "if Aaron Rodgers throws for 300 and 3 TDs". Get the difference?

                                      Just like Mike McCarthy can't control the players but can call the right plays, I could predict the outcome if they do something they are free to do (regardless of what Pitt does).

                                      Get the difference? You almost got me. Nice try, but try a little harder next time.
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                                      • Shadowcat
                                        SBR Rookie
                                        • 01-10-11
                                        • 32

                                        #20
                                        I've seen cappers I highly respect talk about Green Bay running a spread offense from the 1st possession...

                                        But won't it increase the amount of hits Rodgers will take? Its kind of risky... Thats the only thing I'm concerned about when it comes to the Packers, what are their chances with a hurt Rodgers? How well has he played in games where he's been hurt? Can the Backup QB run the spread offense effectively?

                                        My Lines read
                                        Pittsburgh +2.5 (2.100) ML (2.310)
                                        Green Bay -2.5 (1.840) ML (1.690)
                                        OVER 44.5 (1.971)
                                        UNDER 44.5 (1.935)

                                        Thanks Stackin',
                                        I've been riding your picks for 3 weeks now...
                                        Just a Steeler Fan looking for answers...
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                                        • MR.HARRYtheHAT
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-20-09
                                          • 1018

                                          #21
                                          Steelers allow only 62.8 yards per game on the ground. It’s obvious that Super Bowl line odds makers believe the Packers’ wide receivers will have a big impact on the game because 44 ½ points is a lot of points in a contest between the 2nd ranked D in the league, Pittsburgh, and the 5th ranked D in the league,Green BayThe line for Super Bowl total of 44 ½ will go either up or down depending on how sports handicappers view Green Bay’s passing game versus Pittsburgh’s secondary.I’m not ready to say how much of an impact Green Bay’s wide receivers will have on the total assigned to the game.What I am ready to say is that if the total stays at over 44,that most football bettors believe Green Bay’s wide receivers are going to be very effective versus the Steelers’ D because Green Bay’s best shot (only shot?)of putting points on the board on February 6th is through their passing game.
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                                          • Frostware
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 11-20-10
                                            • 205

                                            #22
                                            Sounds good to me
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                                            • CROANT
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 10-28-10
                                              • 145

                                              #23
                                              Lots of Steeler supporters on this thread - I'm with StackinGreen - Go Pack.
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                                              • riggs
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 11-06-08
                                                • 1100

                                                #24
                                                Good Stuff SG, and we're in agreement here as you already know. BOL
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                                                • chargers4222
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-16-10
                                                  • 4702

                                                  #25
                                                  aw yea airin it out baby airin rogers starks is top 5 backs of all time big ben should go rape his own butthole cause packers are a LOCK
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                                                  • dwang0725
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 09-23-10
                                                    • 330

                                                    #26
                                                    Green and yellow! Good luck on the pick.
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                                                    • StackinGreen
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-09-10
                                                      • 12140

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by riggs
                                                      Good Stuff SG, and we're in agreement here as you already know. BOL
                                                      I'm saying Green Bay 27-17, I think the number is near perfect (total-wise) ... let's raise a glass, Riggs.

                                                      CROANT,

                                                      Let's roll.

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                                                      • Shadowcat
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 01-10-11
                                                        • 32

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by StackinGreen
                                                        I'm saying Green Bay 27-17, I think the number is near perfect (total-wise) ... let's raise a glass, Riggs.

                                                        CROANT,

                                                        Let's roll.

                                                        Indeed... Let's Roll... The Key Word here is "BRAVERY"... with all odds against us, STEELERS +3, anything can happen on any given Sunday... Thanks SG, no matter the outcome, your still the Champ!

                                                        PEACE
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                                                        • StackinGreen
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-09-10
                                                          • 12140

                                                          #29
                                                          Shadow, does that mean you are betting Pittsburgh?

                                                          Aaron is gonna get his money. We've been there, done that, and we're gonna do it again.
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                                                          • StackinGreen
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 10-09-10
                                                            • 12140

                                                            #30
                                                            Didn't miss a pick

                                                            CHAMPIONSHIP BELT PANTOMIME

                                                            What a run. Best wishes to all,

                                                            StackinGreen
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