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  • Sunde91
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-26-09
    • 8325

    #1
    Packers/Bears Analysis
    I'll start by saying GB -3 -115 to -125 is a very fair line. GB has been getting tons of respect by oddsmakers, and deservingly so. They were preseason favs to win NFC, and despite all adversity, are in prime position to win it with them playing their best football right now. GB was also -3 in CHI in September.


    GB O vs. CHI D:
    GB O Rankings: Total - 9th (358.1); Scoring - 10th (24.2); Rushing - 24th (100.4); Passing - 5th (257.8)
    CHI D Rankings: Total - 9th (314.3); Scoring - 4th (17.9); Rushing - 2nd (90.1); Passing - 20th (224.2)

    GB D vs. CHI O:
    GB D Rankings: Total - 5th (309.1); Scoring - 2nd (15); Rushing - 18th (114.9); Passing - 5th (194.2)
    CHI O Rankings: Total - 30th (289.4); Scoring - 21st (20.9); Rushing - 22nd (101); Passing - 28th (188.4)

    GB Differential: Total - +49; Scoring - +9.2; Rushing - -14.5; Passing - +63.6
    CHI Differntial: Total - -24.9; Scoring - +3; Rushing - +10.9; Passing - -35.8
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    Strength of Schedule/Power Ratings:

    (Sargarin Schedule Rankings)
    GB 9th
    CHI 13th
    (Sargarin Power Rankings)
    GB 3rd
    CHI 7th
    Wins vs. top 10: GB 6-3; CHI 3-3'



    Angles For Bears:

    1) Stout #2 ranked run D can shut down GB running game for 3rd time (gave up just 63 and 53 first two meetings). This will cause 2nd/3rd and longs, and will put all the pressure on GB passing game. CHI did a good job containg GB's passing game first two meetings. They prevented the big play, and held GB to 4-10 and 2-11 on 3rd down conversions in both games.

    2) Field conditions will probably be shit in CHI, which could slow down GB offense. We saw receivers slipping all over the place in the Divisonal game. If GB receivers struggle to get separation and burst, it could be a big problem for them.

    3) Special Teams. Hester, obvious. GB coverage teams sometimes lacking as we saw Saturday and the first meeting in September when Hester returned one.

    Overrated/False Angles For Bears:

    1) Home Field - NFL HFA time and again proves to be not so important. Would you rather be home than away? Yes, but it's not paramount. And GB has handled last 2 road playoff games very well.

    2) "Motivation" in a Rivalry game. People will say "Lovie always does well vs. Packers". Give me a break with this. Packers are equally as motivated, and Lovie is a soft-spoken, seemingly slow and stupid coach. I really have no idea what he does exactly.


    Angles For Packers:

    1) Better D. Packers are better than Bears in every Defensive category, except rushing. Packers are also 2nd in the league in Sacks and sacked Cutler 3 times in the first meeting, and 6 in the 2nd. CHI is a league high in giving up sacks - 56. Packers should be able to get tons of pressure on Cutler again. Capers (D coord) is just a genius in schemeing blitz packages. GB held CHI to just 13 and 3 Offensive points and 276 and 227 yards in both meetings.

    2) Better O. Outside rushing (which is close comparatively), GB is head and shoulders above CHI in offense. GB outgained CHI by 160 yards combined in both meetings. Rodgers' superiority to Cutler is self-evident from every statistical category, to pocket awareness, accuaracy, release speed, the ability to keep eyes focued down field, mobility, and the ability to avoid pressure. GB also gave up 18 fewer sacks, so maybe a slight advantage in Oline as well. CHI beats GB in TE category, but GB's receiving core with Jones, Driver, Nelson, and Jennings, again, is just far superior.

    3) Road Tested/played very well against quality teams. GB 6-3 vs. Sargarin top 10 teams (@ Philly twice, @ NYJ, Giants, Bears, @ ATL). In their 3 losses, they outgained/outplayed NE @ NE (with a back-up QB) 369 to 249, gave up a pick 6, gave up a 70 yd lineman KR, etc.; outgained/outplayed ATL @ ATL 418 to 294, fumbled on goal line, etc.; they outgained/outplayed CHI @ CHI 379 to 276, dominated TOP 35:49 to 24:11, were penalized 18 times for 152 yards, had a key TO, gave up PR, etc. If you laugh at the "they got outplayed" line, then I direct you to Saturday against ATL, to see what happens when GB doesn't beat themselves and plays the same team again @ their near full potential.

    4) Bears overrated? I think so, much like ATL. Both played extremely favorable scheudles and were fortunate all year (first Lions game debacle, played Miami with 3rd string QB, etc.). Bears were at home for their 3 toughest non-Divisional games: NYJ, NE, Philly. They were outgained by all 3, killed by NE, beat NYJ and Philly. Despite their advantage playing at home, they are only 3-3 vs. top 10 teams. Now their only playoff game was home against Seatlle...a 7-9 team with the 28th total O and 27th total D. Just not buying them like I didn't buy ATL and I think GB is much better.

    5) Vegas Respect. Hanging a -3 -125 for a road team in the NFC title game is pretty crazy. Vegas doesn't give a home team in title game 3 points with reduced juice for no good reason. This after GB was only +1 on the road to a #1 seed; unprecedented. GB was also preseason NFC favs and are now SB favs.

    6) Momentum. This can be overrated, but I think it's real and legit. GB has been in a must win situation for 4 straight weeks and delievered in all of them. You can definitely draw parallels to 2005 Steelers and 2007 Giants (Wild Cards who won SB). With Rodgers's and teams's confidence and momentum at an all-time hard, you have to think it will, more likely than not, carry over into Sunday and they continue to soar.

    The lean is clearly on GB for me, don't know how much to play yet, though.
  • warriorfan707
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-29-08
    • 13698

    #2
    GB rolls
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    • bobbyk1133
      SBR MVP
      • 08-05-10
      • 2245

      #3
      Nice recap, but change your last sentence from lean to strong play. Important stats you left out is that GB is better in red zone, third down, completed plays per game, and points from long drives per game. Bank GB heavy.
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      • politicin
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        • 01-14-11
        • 1647

        #4
        Will be smashing GB Sunday, as well as another smaller play on the Jets.
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        • slacker00
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          • 10-06-05
          • 12262

          #5
          Hard to disagree. Nice writeup.

          The toughest thing for me is trying to assess Chicago's offense. Their offense has been evolving all season under Martz. I'm sure they didn't show their best trump cards against the Pack week 17, in fact just the opposite. I wonder if Chicago will have an edge in game planning similar to Arizona last year due to this fact.
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          • bobbyk1133
            SBR MVP
            • 08-05-10
            • 2245

            #6
            Originally posted by slacker00
            Hard to disagree. Nice writeup. The toughest thing for me is trying to assess Chicago's offense. Their offense has been evolving all season under Martz. I'm sure they didn't show their best trump cards against the Pack week 17, in fact just the opposite. I wonder if Chicago will have an edge in game planning similar to Arizona last year due to this fact.
            Speaking of evolving, how about that Forte pass? Or Cutler's full upper-body throw that shoulda been intercepted on the goal line?

            It's asking a lot of Martz/Cutler to go an entire game without bone-head plays - regardless of how far along the offense has come.
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            • brewcrew2k
              SBR MVP
              • 01-26-10
              • 1158

              #7
              The fact that this us a huge riverly I think Chicago has value at +3 can you say backdoor cover?
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              • d2bets
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 08-10-05
                • 39995

                #8
                You started by prejudging that the line was 'fair', then gave a one-sided analysis then side you lean on GB...even though the line is fair? If the line is fair, shouldn't that be a no play? Why bet if there's no edge?
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                • Mr Handicapable
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-23-07
                  • 6067

                  #9
                  Biggest Packer advantage factor besides Rodgers/Cutler is Williams/Woodson vs the Bears corners! GB can single up WRs just like the Jets...Bears need safety help bigtime! Jennings for the Bears is a Colts reject...about 5'8"! Bears see GB twice/season and are at home....it will be closer for the Pack than the SB!
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                  • D3 Mighty Ducks
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                    • 12-17-09
                    • 11939

                    #10
                    I'm praying for Heavy Snow to be in the forecast for this game.
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                    • GoldenRichards
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                      • 08-31-08
                      • 314

                      #11
                      I like the Bears at home in this matchup
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                      • d2bets
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                        • 08-10-05
                        • 39995

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mr Handicapable
                        Biggest Packer advantage factor besides Rodgers/Cutler is Williams/Woodson vs the Bears corners! GB can single up WRs just like the Jets...Bears need safety help bigtime! Jennings for the Bears is a Colts reject...about 5'8"! Bears see GB twice/season and are at home....it will be closer for the Pack than the SB!
                        I thought Jennings was excellent yesterday. I've been impressed with him.
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                        • d2bets
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-10-05
                          • 39995

                          #13
                          Originally posted by D3 Mighty Ducks
                          I'm praying for Heavy Snow to be in the forecast for this game.
                          It's possible, but seems unlikely. It'll certainly be cold. That's a given. Bears have now played 5 straight extreme cold weather games. GB coming off of the controlled environment dome game.
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                          • politicin
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                            • 01-14-11
                            • 1647

                            #14
                            Do you think the snow (granted it snows), will be a huge disadvantage for GB?
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                            • YaMotha
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 12-16-10
                              • 275

                              #15
                              I like the bears ML on this one. +165
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                              • knelson
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                                • 08-01-10
                                • 197

                                #16
                                Hoping for a great game in this one. However, I think GB pulls it out in the end. Not sure I would lay the points tho.
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                                • Sunde91
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 11-26-09
                                  • 8325

                                  #17
                                  Couple things worthy of mentioning I found:

                                  "Rodgers has played in 10 outdoor games played in December or January since taking over as Green Bay’s starter in 2008, all of which were in cold-weather spots: Rodgers has completed 209 of 330 passes for 2,857 yards, 22 touchdowns and only five interceptions. That’s a quarterback rating of 106.8 and the Packers are 8-2 in those games."
                                  (doesn't include dome came in ATL or last year's against Cardinals)



                                  AND

                                  1) Which Jay Cutler(notes) will show up, the one who was effective in the victory over Seattle or the one who struggled in two games against Green Bay?
                                  This is the central question for the Bears and their fans. In the season finale against the Packers, Cutler was ineffective, throwing for only 168 yards on 39 attempts, getting intercepted twice and sacked six times. Overall, the Bears had nine of 13 possessions that went for less than 10 yards. Even in the Week 3 game, Cutler was just OK, completing 16 of 27 for 221 yards, one interception, one touchdown. Overall, the Bears have had 21 possessions against Green Bay, the Bears have one offensive TD.
                                  And that one offensive TD was set up at the GB 44 after Hester had a 28 yard return 2 minutes left in the 1st half of the 1st game.

                                  And to compare Cutler to Rodgers in both meetings:

                                  Clutler averaged 56% completions, averaged 194.5 passing yards, and totaled 1 TD and 3 INT.

                                  Rodgers averaged 73% completions, averaged 272.5 passing yards, and totaled 2 pass TD, 1 rush TD, 2 INT (1 was a 50 yard hail mary thrown with 4 seconds left in 1st half of 1st meeting).
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                                  • headhunter34
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 12-11-10
                                    • 242

                                    #18
                                    green bay is the hot team right now and quite frankly im still not a believer in the bears... its amazing that theyve won so many games with a mediocore team
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                                    • Jakesteen
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 04-22-10
                                      • 653

                                      #19
                                      The Packers will be too much for the Bears. Bet the over now @ 44.
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                                      • warriorfan707
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 03-29-08
                                        • 13698

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by headhunter34
                                        green bay is the hot team right now and quite frankly im still not a believer in the bears... its amazing that theyve won so many games with a mediocore team
                                        calling them mediocre might be a bit much, but they are inferior to GB for sure.
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                                        • AmpleGamble
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 03-04-10
                                          • 568

                                          #21
                                          I hate both teams
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                                          • beerman2619
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-24-09
                                            • 7752

                                            #22
                                            Jay Cutler over Rodgers not a chance kids. Did someone say something about snow what you think Packers will have trouble in bad weather. Did anyone see how good the Bears were at home in very bad weather against the Pats? Packers defense ranks right up there with the Bears. Packers obviously have a advantage on offense. Give the Bears special teams and thats about it in this game. What the Packers did to the Eagles and Falcons very impressive. What the Bears did to the Seahawks not so much. Packers all day sunday kids.
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                                            • swiss88
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 02-07-10
                                              • 906

                                              #23
                                              Great analysis! I'm already on the Packers, good luck
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                                              • Stevedore
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-10-10
                                                • 1218

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by slacker00
                                                Hard to disagree. Nice writeup.

                                                The toughest thing for me is trying to assess Chicago's offense. Their offense has been evolving all season under Martz. I'm sure they didn't show their best trump cards against the Pack week 17, in fact just the opposite. I wonder if Chicago will have an edge in game planning similar to Arizona last year due to this fact.
                                                Here's what you need to know about Chicago's offense in this game. Since 2009 in 59 offensive drives the Bears have scored 3 td's against the Packers defense.
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                                                • Raleigh77
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                                                  • 12-28-09
                                                  • 320

                                                  #25
                                                  Cutler would have to have the game of his life, and Rodgers would have to be knocked out for Chicago to win. GB all the way.
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                                                  • bruce_outside
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 09-24-08
                                                    • 199

                                                    #26
                                                    cutlet needs time to throw. he won't have it w/ that gb pass rush.
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                                                    • Mr Handicapable
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 09-23-07
                                                      • 6067

                                                      #27
                                                      Bookies are getting DESTROYED this NFL Playoffs.....public has been all over GB! It continues...GB's corners are the best in the business along w/Revis/Cromartie plus GB has better pash rushers than the Jets! Atl scared me for a little while by keeping the ball for about 12 min. 1Q but Chicago's patchwork O-line can't really spring Forte often enough for ball control! GB by TD minimum!!
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                                                      • Sunde91
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-26-09
                                                        • 8325

                                                        #28
                                                        Thinking of taking GB ML.

                                                        If you want value, can't argue against Bears +3.5 at -110 or better, but still really see GB winning decently.
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                                                        • lamanax
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 09-25-10
                                                          • 141

                                                          #29
                                                          Thanks for the writeup.
                                                          For Bears to win, Hester has to make plays on special teams. GB's ST coverage is terrible.
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                                                          • sweethook
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 11-21-07
                                                            • 12667

                                                            #30
                                                            everthing points gb , il go with chicago for the upset at home, gl man nice write up
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                                                            • Sunde91
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 11-26-09
                                                              • 8325

                                                              #31
                                                              This probably ends up a no play or a live bet, or maybe -3 if/when it goes down. Like GB, but line is atrocious.
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                                                              • Sunde91
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-26-09
                                                                • 8325

                                                                #32
                                                                Hit GB ML hard. Expect a GB win by at least 7, but a 23-20/21-20 type game in a game like this with bad field conditions is too likely for my comfort.

                                                                Watched GB/CHI replay from first game and I quickly remembered how superior GB is. They clearly outplayed CHI and CHI's win was pretty much a fluke. CHI could not sustain drives and their only offensive TD came off a 44 yard drive sparked from a Hester return + a 35 yard pass to set up 1st and goal. GB was moving up and down the field at will, but just killed themself on crucial penalties, fumbles, blocked FG, etc.

                                                                Additional angles to consider for GB:

                                                                1) CHI's pass defense is a joke. Ranked 20th giving up 224.2/game. They gave up 316 to GB in their first game, 224 in the 2nd, 269 to Jets, and 351 to the Pats (last 3 were with bad weather/field conditions). Now Rodgers is playing his best ball, and if he can put up even 200 and not throw INTs it might be enough with the way GB's D handles CHI.

                                                                2) GB will learn from 2007 loss in NFCCG. That loss to the Giants at home was maybe the most painful in franchise history and they won't repeat it. 4/5 of the O-line is the same, Woodson, Collins, Driver, Jennings, James, Jackson, Hawk, McCarthy, etc. McCarthy's had this team in all-out playoff mode for a month and I don't see how they let up now. They've come too far and experienced so much to letdown to an inferior Bears team. Lota vets like Driver and Woodson want this BAD. McCarthy also had team practice in 20 degree weather during the week for some extra preparation for the cold; something he did NOT do and was criticized for in 2007.

                                                                + everything else I said before.

                                                                GL.
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                                                                • suicidekings
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 03-23-09
                                                                  • 9962

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I decided that I was happy playing GB -3 (-130) here rather than opting for the ML at (-185). If GB should happen to fall behind at any point a much more attractive ML price should be available on live betting to complement the play on the spread. Otherwise, I'll just ride the play out as is.
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                                                                  • Cris_from_Europe
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 09-25-09
                                                                    • 343

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Cutler will choke .... Rogers will not ... GB WIns
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                                                                    • GoldRush7
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 04-27-09
                                                                      • 2014

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Stevedore
                                                                      Here's what you need to know about Chicago's offense in this game. Since 2009 in 59 offensive drives the Bears have scored 3 td's against the Packers defense.
                                                                      4 td's it looks like to me, but I'm with you on the point
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