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  • SparJMU
    SBR MVP
    • 02-18-10
    • 1648

    #1
    Bears -10
    I would like to volunteer my opinion on the Bears-Seahawks game this weekend as I think I see a very nice opportunity here. If there are any Bears or Seahawks fans with in depth knowledge of these two teams, I would love to hear some feedback. Please however pass on commenting if your only feedback is "Cutler Sucks" or "Marshawn Lynch is ridiculous"

    Technical analysis of this game would probably make Chicago a 7.5 to 8.5 point favorite based on Chicago's inconsistency and Seattle's two recent wins. This would immediately indicate that there is a small edge in betting Seattle, and a small disadvantage in betting Chicago. I don't think the technical side is worth arguing as I have seen/heard models in the 7.5 to 10 range all week. I would like to discuss the intangibles behind this game, which I believe indicate that there is value in Chicago. This is where things get tricky.

    I immediately want to discount Seattle's past two wins. I think we all know that neither St. Louis or New Orleans is a strong road team built to win in cold weather late in the season. The St. Louis game is tough to analyze because Whitehurst was playing, but nothing Seattle did impressed me, and St. Louis easily could have won that game. I recall a few drops and plenty of missed opportunities from the Rams. We almost saw a scenario in which a rookie QB lead a dome team into Seattle to eliminate the Seahawks from the playoffs. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence in Seattle.

    Last week I placed a very large wager on Seattle to cover 10.5. New Orleans was a shell of an NFL team, decimated by injury. Seattle held a huge home field advantage in that game, the New Orleans defense couldn't hold up, and Seattle won a great game. Still, despite 0 running game and half a roster, the Saints put themselves in a position to win.

    Let's look at the basics for Seattle. If you allow me to discount those last two games, they are a 6-9 team. Even if you don't want to discount them, here are Seattle's games against playoff caliber teams this year:

    @TB 15-38 L
    vs ATL 18-34 L
    vs KC 24-42 L
    @ NO 19-34 L
    vs NYG 7-41 L
    @ CHI 23-20 W

    (Honestly I don't know how to feel about that first Bears game, and it certainly wouldn't be solid handicapping to completely throw it out. I would love to hear feedback from anyone who watched that game, or could tell me more about the state of each team at the time of the game. If it weren't for that single game I would be feel much better about playing Chicago huge, but perhaps there is a matchup advantage for Seattle that I am missing?)

    Looking at Seattle in general, I believe they were in perfect position to win their last two games, they have been dominated by good teams all year, and they are historically terrible on the road. Last week was obviously the emotional pinnacle of their season and they won't be able to maintain that in Chicago. They are traveling to an 11-5 team, with a dominant defense and two weeks rest.

    I have to admit I don't love the Bears because their offense has certainly come up flat at times. However if you look at the back half of their season, they managed to put up 27, 31, 24, 40, and 38 points in five games. They have the potential to put up points when their offense and special teams are clicking. I don't think we have to discuss their defense too much as statistically they rank in the top 10 in nearly every category. I don't see how Seattle can move the ball on Chicago, avoid turnovers, and hold up on the road for 60 minutes.

    In conclusion, I am not calling this a "lock" and I don't encourage betting your house on 1 game. But I do feel that the Bears are in a perfect spot for a big win, Seattle may be coming down from their emotional high, and there is more than enough evidence to justify betting a 10 point favorite.

    Final Score prediction:

    Bears 31
    Seahawks 13
  • Dukebluejms
    SBR MVP
    • 10-21-09
    • 1633

    #2
    Of the 4 games this is the hardest line to gauge in my opinion. Everything points to a blowout, but there is no way I can see myself laying double figures with Cutler at QB. You are right, it would be hard to disregard the earlier game, but I think almost everyone would agree it was a fluky win. My gut tells me you are right about the Bears, but my head says Seahawks. Probably lay off personally. BOL
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    • Bob Loblaw
      SBR MVP
      • 01-07-10
      • 3508

      #3
      Originally posted by SparJMU
      I would love to hear feedback from anyone who watched that game, or could tell me more about the state of each team at the time of the game.
      There are so many differences between the Bears that played Seattle early in the year and the Bears that will play Seattle on Sunday.

      Lance Briggs, who has made 6 consecutive Pro Bowls, didn't play and he was replaced by a career special teamer.

      Bears were 0-12 on 3rd down. Obviously you aren't going to win many games playing with 3 downs rather than 4. Since the bye, on 3rd downs they have gone 7-12, 11-19, 10-18, 3-10, 5-9, 3-8, 2-10, 3-9, 5-16

      Robbie Gould who is one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history missed a FG in what ended up being a 3 point game

      Seattle came off a bye week while Cutler came off a concussion

      That game came at a time when the Bears were a one-dimensional offense. Mike Martz was pass happy in the beginning of the year. I believe up until the bye week the Bears passed the ball more than anybody else. At the bye week they made adjustments and established a running game that defenses now have to defend against. Before the bye, Forte averaged 3.9 yards/carry. Since the bye, he's averaged 4.8 yards/carry.

      And the biggest reason the Bears lost that game was because it came at a time when the Bears O-Line was in shambles and that's how the Seahawks won the game. They sacked Cutler 6 times including 1 for a safety and as Pete Carroll said “We knocked the quarterback around all day long.” It was also an O-Line that couldn't open up any holes on the ground. Outside of a 24 yard run by backup Chester Taylor, Forte and Taylor combined for 18 yards on 12 carries. That line consisted of Frank Omiyale's 4th game at LT, Chris Williams 1st game at LG, Edwin Williams 1st at RG (3rd career start), and J'Marcus Webb's 2nd game at RT. Starter Roberto Garza was out and outside of Kreutz the rest of the line combined for 8 games played in what was week 6. Since the bye week the Bears averaged 2.6 sacks taken have rushed for 100+ yards in 8 of 9 weeks. Despite getting to Cutler 6 times and shutting down the Bears running game the Seahawks are middle of the pack when it comes to getting to the QB and middle of the pack at best when it comes to shutting down the run. With this vastly improved O-Line of the Bears don't expect a repeat of the October 17th game.
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      • SparJMU
        SBR MVP
        • 02-18-10
        • 1648

        #4
        Awesome information. Sounds like I found my Bears specialist. Maybe my big play might get a little bigger after all.
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        • EXhoosier10
          SBR MVP
          • 07-06-09
          • 3122

          #5
          I love the insight here. Wish we could get this kind of meaningful discussions about every game.
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          • Pasadena69ers
            SBR Sharp
            • 11-06-08
            • 379

            #6
            well done!!
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            • pickempete
              SBR High Roller
              • 11-28-09
              • 107

              #7
              Interesting stat/trend for Chicago/Seattle game

              Quarterbacks starting in their first playoff game are 6 and 20 against the spread overall since 2002.

              Quarterbacks starting their first playoff game at home, are an incredibly poor, 1 and 13 against the number over this same period.

              I don't like Jay Cutler to buck this trend. Go Hawks!!
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              • teddyd
                SBR High Roller
                • 11-01-10
                • 226

                #8
                well done indeed. i think this is the toughest line of the weekend
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                • SparJMU
                  SBR MVP
                  • 02-18-10
                  • 1648

                  #9
                  Thanks for the feedback/encouragement. I had heard that stat about QBs in their first playoff game before I wrote that. I admit its worriesome but I always put more faith in an individual matchup than a trend that has nothing do with the actual players in the game.

                  For example what's the record of a QB playing his first playoff game at home, after earning a bye week, against a 7-9 regular season opponent, and that opponent had gone 1-5 against teams with a winning record that season? Trends can get silly.

                  Still though I understand Seattle is a professional football team and 10 is a lot of points. Never bet more than you are comfortable with.
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                  • Bob Loblaw
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-07-10
                    • 3508

                    #10
                    thanks for the points guys
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                    • SparJMU
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-18-10
                      • 1648

                      #11
                      Thanks for the extra feedback, I am about to wrap up a GIGANTIC weekend if this score holds. Looking good so far.
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                      • Bob Loblaw
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-07-10
                        • 3508

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SparJMU
                        Thanks for the extra feedback, I am about to wrap up a GIGANTIC weekend if this score holds. Looking good so far.
                        nice work
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