Steelers -2.5 @ Tampa Bay

C-Gold · 09-20-10, 06:15 PM

Early Jumps....

Steelers -2.5
Giants -3
Cowboys +3

ALL 2.5 units.

C-Gold · 09-21-10, 06:07 PM

It looks like Washington opened -3 but is now -3.5...

C-Gold · 09-22-10, 06:15 PM

The more I think about it the more it looks like the Jags are the play plus the points.

chargers4222 · 09-22-10, 06:55 PM

looks great man lets get this money!!!!!

pimike · 09-22-10, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by C-Gold

The more I think about it the more it looks like the Jags are the play plus the points.

Good Luck.

thebestthereis · 09-22-10, 07:05 PM

Jags in yur teaser +8.5 or 9 is bank

BookieOweMe · 09-22-10, 07:28 PM

its possible

Tigers1230 · 09-22-10, 09:35 PM

Why are you taking the G-men, just curious. You saw what Indy did on the ground to them and now they are facing one of the best rushing teams in the league.

C-Gold · 09-23-10, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Tigers1230

Why are you taking the G-men, just curious. You saw what Indy did on the ground to them and now they are facing one of the best rushing teams in the league.

When the Giants played Indy, their Defensive Coordinator was very fearful of the Giants secondary getting ripped apart by Pappa Manning. The Giants said they'd be willing to give up rushing yards in order to not get beat by the pass. Look at the base defense the Giants ran...

1DT
3DE
1LB
6DB

The Giants had went light/went speed/dared Manning to hand it off and he did. Manning is a king of taking what the defense gives you. The Colts rushing attack is actually not very good, it's more or less a counter of their passing game. They don't dominate you with the rush, it more or less keeps the defense off balance, and in this game they ran on the Giants because the Giants dared them.

The Giants defense is better vs the run than the pass

Last year at the end of the year they were getting torched for 40+ points because their safety play was horrible... The Giants got Phillips back from Injury, and brought in ( over paid) for Rolle, but it was something they had to over pay for and do...

The Giants got run over by a good Carolina offensive line & RB's last year in a "must win" game....

This year the Giants came back and for the most part shut Carolina's run game down... The Giants are better vs the run, and especially at home with a juiced up crowd.

Now you know Tennesse is ALL RUN, weak passing team... when they do beat you passing it's not VY dropping back and shredding the defense with read after read intermediate pass after intermediate pass... It's screens, draws, TE passes, and the occasional play action over the top throw...

I do think Chris Johnson could bust a long run or two because the Giants MLB Jonathan Goff sucks ( he's the worst starting MLB in the NFL) and he will probably screw up at least once but for the most part, the Giants are going to be putting VY into 3rd and longs and then come after him with pass rushers... we saw how that worked last week... VY throwing 2 picks in his first 9 passes, I believe a fumble, and a nasty body slam... VY still isn't there as a passer and it won't be as bad as last week but he should have problems.

On the other side of the ball the Titans defense is legit and I actually picked both the Giants/Titans as my "surprise" teams in each conference but the Giants won't have Freeny/Mathis coming around the corners this week... The Titans play a lot of zone, and Eli will find the holes in the zone... I'm much more confident in Eli vs the Titans defense at home, than VY vs the Giants defense on the road... The Titans haven't even played on the road yet, and their defensive stats are impressive but look at who they played... Jason Campbell sucks and is already benched, Dennis Dixon sucks, and Charlie Batch... 3 over hyped backup quarterbacks.

The Giants win this game 75-80% of the time, and the spread is only -3... It's worth a play.

plzkthx · 09-23-10, 06:58 PM

steelers all the way. no questions.

Glitch · 09-23-10, 08:52 PM

mendenhall is running very impressively and the steelers D is playing at a very high level. i guess that problem safety or whatever that guy was for TB is out now too for substance abuse violation

Addicted2Cash · 09-23-10, 11:07 PM

thinking that the g-men can force vy into the kind of game that pit did is either seriously overestimating nyg or disrespecting pit.

scoobs · 09-23-10, 11:13 PM

Steelers go 3-0

Addicted2Cash · 09-23-10, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Steelers defense is for real.... Vince Young threw 2 picks and got pike driven into the ground as 3 steelers converged at the QB... Dennis Dixon got rocked too in a physical game but they'd probably be better off playing Batch anyway, he's a vet... The Steelers O-Line looked better, Mendanhall has a lot of talent...

Josh Freeman might have exceeded expectations, but the guy still only hit 50% of his passes in one of his "good" games... The Bucs have the worst head coach in the entire NFL...

The oddsmakers are calling for a low scoring game with a 33 total... They are inviting bets on the Steelers as they probably see the Bucs covering with a special teams play or maybe a mendenhall fumble.

Take the Steelers -2.5 here, sell it at +3 if you want or keep it and cash in...

honestly i think Freeman's inaccuracy and ability to make a big play out of nothing are what should scare pit backers as strange as that may sound. while he is taking shots down field and throwing passes away he is not throwing costly picks to lineman and lbs out of the zone blitz, punting in this game will not be a bad thing and if he manages to strike on one or 2 plays that could be the difference. not sure how you can call Morris "the worst coach in the nfl" as all i have seen is him having a team that plays hard every game and may just overachieve, i guess you have your reasons but i dont know what they are. if pit was better off with Batch i wonder why he wasnt starting the 1st two games? i guess you know best what would be better for them?

rumple · 09-23-10, 11:21 PM

Too many games this week lined around 3, it sucks.

Lockitup1x · 09-23-10, 11:22 PM

Hey pal, how are you doing... good luck with your play

Grandmaster B · 09-23-10, 11:27 PM

all of America is on PITT this weekend...the house payment and the car payment

jetstorm369 · 09-23-10, 11:29 PM

anyone else think this is way too much of a steal?

ryanspeer2001 · 09-24-10, 12:55 AM

gotta love pitt here.

hitman2010 · 09-24-10, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by scoobs

Steelers go 3-0

C-Gold · 09-24-10, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by Addicted2Cash

honestly i think Freeman's inaccuracy and ability to make a big play out of nothing are what should scare pit backers as strange as that may sound. while he is taking shots down field and throwing passes away he is not throwing costly picks to lineman and lbs out of the zone blitz, punting in this game will not be a bad thing and if he manages to strike on one or 2 plays that could be the difference. not sure how you can call Morris "the worst coach in the nfl" as all i have seen is him having a team that plays hard every game and may just overachieve, i guess you have your reasons but i dont know what they are. if pit was better off with Batch i wonder why he wasnt starting the 1st two games? i guess you know best what would be better for them?

Josh Freeman and scare???? Scare is more of a term I'd use for Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees... I wouldn't use the word scare for guys like Jemarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Josh Freeman... the shitty qb's of the NFL under any circumstances.

Why does Raheem Morris suck as a head coach? His team finished almost dead last in the NFL... He's NOT a very smart guy, and he doesn't have a plan. He's in over his head and the worst coach I've seen since the Lions brought in a d-line coach to coach the team because their stupid gm wanted an ex-marine and a tough guy to coach the team.

The reason why this line is so low is the Steelers are 2nd to last in the NFL in passing yards... They needed over time to score one of their few touchdowns and they needed special teams for their score last week... the steelers offense has not been good, and they set the total for this game at 33. Starting Charlie Batch isn't going to help that much over starting what will be a career backup in Dennis Dixon.

The thing is the Steelers were playing 2 legit teams that put up about 40 points when they weren't playing the Steelers which shows how good the Steelers d is... The Bucs are 2-0 but played two weaker opponents and didn't look very good in their wins. I mean realistically Josh Freeman could throw 4-5 picks in this game unless they dumb down the game plan which they probably will.

C-Gold · 09-24-10, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by Addicted2Cash

thinking that the g-men can force vy into the kind of game that pit did is either seriously overestimating nyg or disrespecting pit.

I never said the Giants defense is as good as the Steelers or anything like that. The point is that VY is going to be in more 3rd and 8's instead of 3rd and 2's and that's not his strength. He's not a very good passer at this point in his career and the Giants do have pass rushers and VY holds onto the ball... that could mean turnovers and lots of punts.

Johnny 55 · 09-24-10, 06:22 AM

Why would he be in 3rd and 8's, have you seen the Giants run defense, against the Colts it was beyond horrible.

krazey47409 · 09-24-10, 06:54 AM

steelers should take care of crappy bucs

terpkeg · 09-24-10, 06:58 AM

17 points should win this game. If you want Pitt, gotta get -2.5. I think TB is the play.

koby25 · 09-24-10, 07:19 AM

I really like this play

gshock1 · 09-24-10, 07:57 AM

Not sure about Charlie Batch. Bucs might surprise here.

D3 Mighty Ducks · 09-24-10, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Early Jumps.... Steelers -2.5 Giants -3 Cowboys +3 ALL 2.5 units.

Like 2 out of the 3. Dislike your Steelers pick.

TexansFan · 09-24-10, 08:12 AM

This is a game that could end up 12-10. I think the best play is the under myself. Of course, if TB starts turning the ball over and the Steelers defense gets some points it could get close.

Addicted2Cash · 09-24-10, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Josh Freeman and scare???? Scare is more of a term I'd use for Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees... I wouldn't use the word scare for guys like Jemarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Josh Freeman... the shitty qb's of the NFL under any circumstances.

Why does Raheem Morris suck as a head coach? His team finished almost dead last in the NFL... He's NOT a very smart guy, and he doesn't have a plan. He's in over his head and the worst coach I've seen since the Lions brought in a d-line coach to coach the team because their stupid gm wanted an ex-marine and a tough guy to coach the team.

The reason why this line is so low is the Steelers are 2nd to last in the NFL in passing yards... They needed over time to score one of their few touchdowns and they needed special teams for their score last week... the steelers offense has not been good, and they set the total for this game at 33. Starting Charlie Batch isn't going to help that much over starting what will be a career backup in Dennis Dixon.

The thing is the Steelers were playing 2 legit teams that put up about 40 points when they weren't playing the Steelers which shows how good the Steelers d is... The Bucs are 2-0 but played two weaker opponents and didn't look very good in their wins. I mean realistically Josh Freeman could throw 4-5 picks in this game unless they dumb down the game plan which they probably will.

i think it is fair to say Morris team finishing "almost dead last" has a lot to do with the talent he had to work with.

you have or will not hear me arguing against how good pit d is, they are very good i agree.

lumping Freeman with the likes of Jamarcuss Russel and Campbell is pretty much telling me you havnt seen much of him play. hell lumping anyone with Russel besides Ryan Leaf really isnt fair to anyone else.

point is Freeman is the most dangerous offensive playmaker on the field for this game and he has proven very capable of making a big play or 2 during the coarse of a game. if you can find a prop on Freeman's ints and can get 4 for the number (as you suggest) i recommend you pound the under (gl finding that number as it is another ridiculous statement)

not sure when they started counting "style points" in the nfl, i dont care if tb looked good or not as if you think this game is gonna be won "pretty" you are mistaken.

im not trying to argue who the better team is as clearly it is the steelers, and hell they could win this game no problem. just trying to add some perspective that no one else seems to see while proclaiming this the easiest money of all time. GL with your play

C-Gold · 09-24-10, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Johnny 55

Why would he be in 3rd and 8's, have you seen the Giants run defense, against the Colts it was beyond horrible.

The Giants run defense sucked as I mentioned earlier because they weren't playing with a full deck of cards.

Instead of 2 DT's they played with 1
Instead of playing with 3 LB's they played with 1

They were playing very light and daring Peyton to throw against their DIME defense and a light dime defense at that with 3 DE's and only 1 DT...

I can promise you PF won't be playing a Dime defense against a weak passer like Vince Young.

C-Gold · 09-24-10, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Addicted2Cash

i think it is fair to say Morris team finishing "almost dead last" has a lot to do with the talent he had to work with.

you have or will not hear me arguing against how good pit d is, they are very good i agree.

lumping Freeman with the likes of Jamarcuss Russel and Campbell is pretty much telling me you havnt seen much of him play. hell lumping anyone with Russel besides Ryan Leaf really isnt fair to anyone else.

point is Freeman is the most dangerous offensive playmaker on the field for this game and he has proven very capable of making a big play or 2 during the coarse of a game. if you can find a prop on Freeman's ints and can get 4 for the number (as you suggest) i recommend you pound the under (gl finding that number as it is another ridiculous statement)

not sure when they started counting "style points" in the nfl, i dont care if tb looked good or not as if you think this game is gonna be won "pretty" you are mistaken.

im not trying to argue who the better team is as clearly it is the steelers, and hell they could win this game no problem. just trying to add some perspective that no one else seems to see while proclaiming this the easiest money of all time. GL with your play

The Bucs were a playoff team the year before Morris. But it's not just about the results... he's not a bright guy, he's not very intelligent... he doesn't have a plan... he's just a dumb positive guy that smiles and talks a lot. I know it might sound funny but football really is a thinking mans game. You want a Peyton Manning... you want a Bellicheck... you want smart lineman... smart wide receivers... you don't want a dumb dumb like Raheem Morris. His team lost games last year and it was no accident. Loser Coaches ALWAYS have the blame excuses on talent and loser quarterbacks ALWAYS are said to have crappy offensive lines and crappy wide receivers but that isn't always the case. Far too often poor coaches and poor quarterbacks MAKE the people around them look worse.

I have seen Freeman play, and he's too loose with the ball. He threw 10 TD's last year and 18 picks... They were some dumb picks too as he wasn't always dropping back and throwing, he had a conservative offense and still threw picks. My point is that he's not a very good passer. He can do some thigns right but what QB starter or backup can't? Can he consistantly do it though? The answer is no. Freeman was drafted on POTENTIAL and so far that's all he is... Potential. Potential is sooooo overrated by the way. Jemarcus Russel can throw a football 80 yards but he can't read a defense to what good is arm strength when you are throwing the ball to the wrong place?

Do I think Freeman will throw 4 picks? No, that's a rare feat, but I'm letting you know it's a possibility because A) he's not very good and B) he's facing a defense that is very good. 3-4 defense vs a young inexperienced QB... come on now.

Is this the easiest money of all time? Certainly NOT. The Steelers are 2nd to last in the NFL in passing... and needed OT & Special teams to score points. Their offense just isn't there at this point. It will be a low scoring game. The books put the total at a VERY low 33 points. They see something like a 17-14 type game, but probably with field goals etc Maybe a 16-13 type game...

I'm not going to predict the exact score, but I do think Pitt wins and they will try and keep the margin greater than 3...

So you love to jump at me on my picks ( which is fine), I like having to defend my position, but who are you on this week?

C-Gold · 09-24-10, 08:31 PM

Oh and FYI

Last year Josh Freeman started 9 games

9 Games
18 Interceptions
10 Fumbles

That means on average he thew 2 picks, and had 1 fumble per game started.

If Freeman turns the ball over 3 times the Bucs lose, simple as that.

htown2la · 09-24-10, 09:01 PM

bucs a gamble but might be worth it