How many NFL teams realistically have a shot at the SB?

RANDAZZO · 09-10-10, 10:43 PM

C-Gold · 09-10-10, 11:02 PM

I feel bad for the roughly 2/3rds of NFL cities that have no shot at winning the super bowl this year. They are basically cannon fodder for the 1/3rd of fans hoping their teams will win the Super Bowl. I mean what do you do if you are a fan of Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Tampa, Oakland etc? Hope that your young guys get better, you keep them and resign them, bring in good draft picks next year, and that in a few years you will have a legit team? Oh, and those cities pretty much suck in general too. I guess if you live in Detroit or Cleveland you'll also be hoping you have a job next year AND that your team won't suck.

RANDAZZO · 09-10-10, 11:05 PM

LOL

eberetta1 · 09-10-10, 11:09 PM

I think most sports are like that. A third have no chance, a third have a great chance on any given day and the other third have a great chance if they play as good as they are expected to play. I think of baseball the same way. You're gonna win 50 games and you're gonna lose 50 games. It is that other 50 games that puts you in the trophy contention or not.

3PtShooter · 09-10-10, 11:12 PM

10 teams have a shot

Augustus · 09-10-10, 11:12 PM

The superbowl loser of the previous year has no chance at all.

C-Gold · 09-10-10, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by eberetta1

I think most sports are like that. A third have no chance, a third have a great chance on any given day and the other third have a great chance if they play as good as they are expected to play. I think of baseball the same way. You're gonna win 50 games and you're gonna lose 50 games. It is that other 50 games that puts you in the trophy contention or not.

You almost look at baseball and say even less in a given year...
Yankees
Boston
Tampa, and a few other big market teams...

podunk · 09-10-10, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Augustus

The superbowl loser of the previous year has no chance at all.

colts are winning it all

Dex17 · 09-10-10, 11:30 PM

I really enjoyed this post. As everyone makes their end of year predictions, it's a little boring and unoriginal to speculate who's better between the Colts and Ravens or the Packers and Saints, etc. I think it's much more interesting to make the bolder predictions.

I think the following teams are very strong playoff contenders, that at least 2 will make it to the conference championship or SB: Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Texans, Dolphins, and Bears. On the other hand, the following teams will not make the playoffs: Jets, Steelers, and Giants. The Chargers and Vikings will disappoint many and will not win 10 games this year.

Dex17 · 09-10-10, 11:33 PM

I really enjoyed this post. As everyone makes their end of year predictions, it's a little boring and unoriginal to speculate who's better between the Colts and Ravens or the Packers and Saints, etc. I think it's much more interesting to make the bolder predictions.

I think the following teams are very strong playoff contenders, that at least 2 will make it to the conference championship or SB: Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Texans, Dolphins, and Bears. On the other hand, the following teams will not make the playoffs: Jets, Steelers, and Giants. The Chargers and Vikings will disappoint many and will not win 10 games this year.

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Dex17

I really enjoyed this post. As everyone makes their end of year predictions, it's a little boring and unoriginal to speculate who's better between the Colts and Ravens or the Packers and Saints, etc. I think it's much more interesting to make the bolder predictions.

I think the following teams are very strong playoff contenders, that at least 2 will make it to the conference championship or SB: Titans, Dolphins, 49ers, Texans, Dolphins, and Bears. On the other hand, the following teams will not make the playoffs: Jets, Steelers, and Giants. The Chargers and Vikings will disappoint many and will not win 10 games this year.

Everybody is picking the 49ers to win the West, and many are going further than that. I don't see it. Their QB is not good. You can make excuse after excuse for him and Jason Campbell ( they've had too many OC's), but that's just a BS excuse. The 49ers don't have a good coach or quarterback, the two most important positions, and their offense is so predictable. They could win the worst division in football ( the NFC West), but they have no shot at beating 4 good playoff teams to win the trophy... zero, zilch, nada.

The Texans have been a "sleeper" pick by many for years... Matt Schaub had awesome top 5 stats, but he's not a top 5 QB. He plays in a very QB friendly offense. Matt Schaub might be the 15th best QB in the league ( Never thought about it), but he's become such a trendy Fantasy football pick ( I was saying to pick him 3 years ago when nobody wanted him), because that Houston offense is made to make QB's look good and pile up stats. The team lost shanny Jr., but still had Kubiak, but I don't see them making much noise in the @1 or #2 hardest division in football. Yes, maybe they earn a wildcard berth, but no way they consecutivly beat Ravens, Patriots, Indy, @ GB or whoever to win the super bowl.

I think the Titans have one of the best coaches, a GREAT offensive line, and a QB that people truly don't understand. Vince Young will never be a fantasy football darling, but he wins. I know it's a cliche and all, but the Titans coaching staff uses him right. In general I think Mobile and scrambler QB's are hella overrated in this sportscenter age where every sick 20 yard run makes the highlight reel, but the 5 routine passes that landed at the receivers feet never seem to make sports center... It's a scene that is played out all too much...

The Bears will bounce back IF the Line can manage to be OK. They started to get better at the end of last year, and I think the Bears will challenge for the playoffs this year...

Carolina will also quietly challenge for the playoffs. Matt Moore is 6-2 as a starter the team isn't asking him to be the hero, just manage the games ( which he can), and let that dominant O-Line and 2 backs move the chains. Carolina can be a 9-7 type team and nobody would know it... They dismiss the team because Matt Moore is (inexperienced), yet those same people like ( inexperienced less experienced) Kevin Kolb.

Miami, I am a big Parcells fan and like what he's done with the wildcat, Miami runs it better than anybody bar none, Ronnie Brown is awesome at reading the flow of the defense and knowing when to run, when to hand off, and the coaching staff knows when to throw/run the trick play... But I'm not a Chad Henne fan. He holds onto the ball too long, and doesn't have a quick enough delivery. He's done better than I thought, but he's like a Drew Bledsoe at the end of his career in Dallas. The NFL today needs guys with quicker releases and throwing motions. Henne has done better than I thought but I'm not a fan, he's easier to defend against than the quicker maybe even weaker armed QB's.

The Jets barley made the playoffs last year... Got hot at the end of last year... people remember what they saw LAST the MOST... then Rex Ryan yapps his mouth... the team signs some free agents... then the team gets a TV show... All of the things that gamblers like... free agents... "momentum"... "expsore"... hype... big city... the Jets got... Now is time to deliver... With Mark Sanchez and stone hands Braylon Edwards we'll see. it's still a QB league and the Jets aren't THAT dominant on defense yet to where they can win despite Sanchez. The team lost 7 games last year for a reason.

Augustus · 09-11-10, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by podunk

colts are winning it all

Let's face the facts, how many superbowl losers make it to the final the following year?

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Augustus

Let's face the facts, how many superbowl losers make it to the final the following year?

What do those losers have to do with the Colts? It's like saying the Boston Redsox never won a title since 1918... but who gives a shit if the dead guys from the 1922 team didn't win a title, we are talking about the 2004 or whatever year Redsox.

You want to know if Peyton Manning will win the super bowl this year ( he will)... you don't give a shit that the Patriots didn't win it the year after they lost, or Chicago, Seattle, Carolina, Oakland, Eagles etc. etc. etc.

Dex17 · 09-11-10, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Everybody is picking the 49ers to win the West, and many are going further than that. I don't see it. Their QB is not good. You can make excuse after excuse for him and Jason Campbell ( they've had too many OC's), but that's just a BS excuse. The 49ers don't have a good coach or quarterback, the two most important positions, and their offense is so predictable. They could win the worst division in football ( the NFC West), but they have no shot at beating 4 good playoff teams to win the trophy... zero, zilch, nada.

The Texans have been a "sleeper" pick by many for years... Matt Schaub had awesome top 5 stats, but he's not a top 5 QB. He plays in a very QB friendly offense. Matt Schaub might be the 15th best QB in the league ( Never thought about it), but he's become such a trendy Fantasy football pick ( I was saying to pick him 3 years ago when nobody wanted him), because that Houston offense is made to make QB's look good and pile up stats. The team lost shanny Jr., but still had Kubiak, but I don't see them making much noise in the @1 or #2 hardest division in football. Yes, maybe they earn a wildcard berth, but no way they consecutivly beat Ravens, Patriots, Indy, @ GB or whoever to win the super bowl.

I think the Titans have one of the best coaches, a GREAT offensive line, and a QB that people truly don't understand. Vince Young will never be a fantasy football darling, but he wins. I know it's a cliche and all, but the Titans coaching staff uses him right. In general I think Mobile and scrambler QB's are hella overrated in this sportscenter age where every sick 20 yard run makes the highlight reel, but the 5 routine passes that landed at the receivers feet never seem to make sports center... It's a scene that is played out all too much...

The Bears will bounce back IF the Line can manage to be OK. They started to get better at the end of last year, and I think the Bears will challenge for the playoffs this year...

Carolina will also quietly challenge for the playoffs. Matt Moore is 6-2 as a starter the team isn't asking him to be the hero, just manage the games ( which he can), and let that dominant O-Line and 2 backs move the chains. Carolina can be a 9-7 type team and nobody would know it... They dismiss the team because Matt Moore is (inexperienced), yet those same people like ( inexperienced less experienced) Kevin Kolb.

Miami, I am a big Parcells fan and like what he's done with the wildcat, Miami runs it better than anybody bar none, Ronnie Brown is awesome at reading the flow of the defense and knowing when to run, when to hand off, and the coaching staff knows when to throw/run the trick play... But I'm not a Chad Henne fan. He holds onto the ball too long, and doesn't have a quick enough delivery. He's done better than I thought, but he's like a Drew Bledsoe at the end of his career in Dallas. The NFL today needs guys with quicker releases and throwing motions. Henne has done better than I thought but I'm not a fan, he's easier to defend against than the quicker maybe even weaker armed QB's.

The Jets barley made the playoffs last year... Got hot at the end of last year... people remember what they saw LAST the MOST... then Rex Ryan yapps his mouth... the team signs some free agents... then the team gets a TV show... All of the things that gamblers like... free agents... "momentum"... "expsore"... hype... big city... the Jets got... Now is time to deliver... With Mark Sanchez and stone hands Braylon Edwards we'll see. it's still a QB league and the Jets aren't THAT dominant on defense yet to where they can win despite Sanchez. The team lost 7 games last year for a reason.

You may have misunderstood the intent of my message. I wasn't trying to parade any ground-breaking predictions; rather, I'm arguing that it's more worthwhile to evaluate the teams with the promise of playoff presence.

You did return the favor with your commentary, though. I noticed you didn't talk about defense at all. I think the 49ers, Dolphins, and even the Texans are much improved with the maturation of great defensive draft picks and acquisitions over the past three years, especially in the front 7.

Carolina, on the other hand, will probably struggle defensively. I totally agree with your assessment of Moore. He's a great athlete and has a solid arm. Hopefully Stewart and Williams will continue to kick ass in the run game. It would be nice if the Panthers could pick up a solid receiver to complement Smith. Too bad Dwayne Jarrett is a HUGE let down in the pros. All that said, I don't think they'll make the playoffs, even in a crappy division.

Did you make any future team bets on RSW?

DeluxeLiner · 09-11-10, 02:13 AM

What is wrong with the Bengals?

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by DeluxeLiner

What is wrong with the Bengals?

Poor and cheap ownership, poor scouting, and poor coaching and the rest of the AFC is too good.

slacker00 · 09-11-10, 02:21 AM

Very few had the Saints in their top 12 going into last year, but they won it all. Don't forget the 2000 Patriots were 5-11 before they won it all in 2001. If the 1999 Rams & 2009 Saints could win it all, teams with a great QB & WRs like Cincy & Houston need to be given careful consideration. Dismissing teams like Atlanta & San Fran might be shortsighted, but dismissing the Jets entirely is just silly. I think you're laboring way too hard to make a point that isn't worth making.

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 02:26 AM

Dex17,

I didn't comment on defenses because I don't have all day, but I generally agree with your assessments. I think the 49ers already have a decent enough defense... especially at home... The 49ers have had good underrated LB's for the better part of 5 years enough names have changed and Willis is the best LB in the NFL now, the defense improved since they got rid of mike rumph years ago... Miami's is legit... the Texans MIGHT break out and be better this year, but I wouldn't really say they are much better than average.

I did take 2 futures bets...
Indy to win it all ( 5 units) pays 8/1
New York Giants to win it all ( 1 unit) Pays 25/1

Indy is my winner, I think they could go about 14-2, lock up homefield, and then pick off inferior opponents at home in the dome... NYG is just too good of value for a team that should make the playoffs, and I'll roll the dice at 25/1 for them to make some noise.

GL

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 02:32 AM

Slacker -

Matt Schaub isn't a great QB. He's a decent QB in a great system that made great stats... He's no Drew Brees, he might be the 12th-15th best QB in the league, even if he has the 5th best stats...

The Saints might not have been a top 10 pick going into next year, but after 4-5 weeks they would have been. People always knew the offense was there, but the defense didn't help them in previous years... If they could just get together a respectable d people knew they'd be dangerous. The team nearly went undefeated in the regular season. The list IS subject to a few modifications, and a few of those teams on the bubble WILL effectively deal with their issues and make the list... but the odds are stacked against them doing so.

If there are 9 teams on the bubble... Let's say 2 or 3 of them deal with their issues, beat expectations, and become contenders.... but that means 6 or 7 of them won't... and of the 2-3 teams that deal with their issues and surprise to the upside... the odds are still stacked against them beating the other good teams and winning the SB...

DeluxeLiner · 09-11-10, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Poor and cheap ownership, poor scouting, and poor coaching and the rest of the AFC is too good.

Poor coaching went 8-0 in division last year. Poor scouting, maybe, they did have a pretty difficult out of division competition last year. They also surrendered the last game of the year. Poor ownership picked up some guys this off season and gambled with Antonio Bryant.

Need better reasoning.

icancount2one · 09-11-10, 03:29 AM

AFC Top Contenders:
Colts
Ravens
Jets
Bengals

sure the Jets barely made the playoffs, but they gave away a couple games before that, and they won two playoff games on the road and got ahead of the Colts at halftime before they finally ran out of gas. The Bengals freaking swept the AFC North. What does a team have to do to get some respect from you?

Steelers and Titans are in that marginal category imo, along with the Pats.

The NFC is weird. I feel like the Saints are clear cut favorites, but everyone else is up in the air.

Vikes, Pack, Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Atlanta, and San Fran could all be good. I don't think we can count Arizona out either. The media loves the Vikes and Boys but I do not especially since Dallas has been bitten by the long avoided injury bug. And I'm sure there will be some crazy surprise teams.

The one thing that pisses me off was I thought I was going to do great with the Jets and Bengals this year, then they went out and added high profile players (LT and TO) and now everybody's paying attention to them.

EVERYONE WHO IS HATING THE SAINTS AND JETS BECAUSE YOU BET AGAINST THEM IN THE PLAYOFFS/SB, ACCEPT DEFEAT AND MOVE ON.

mv09 · 09-11-10, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Poor and cheap ownership, poor scouting, and poor coaching and the rest of the AFC is too good.

If you'd said this in 2007, you'd be right. Cincinnati has been run great the past couple of years.

C-Gold · 09-11-10, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by mv09

If you'd said this in 2007, you'd be right. Cincinnati has been run great the past couple of years.

What have they won since 2007?

8-0 in their division last year? Don't they only play 6 divisional games?

Aren't we looking forward to next year instead of those past years? How many playoff games have they ever won? Now this year they are going to go 4-0 probably on the road and beat the best teams and win it all?

Wrecktangle · 09-11-10, 06:34 AM

If you look at history, everyone with a 20-1 shot is a "player" 10-1s are the "real" players.

mv09 · 09-11-10, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by C-Gold

What have they won since 2007?

8-0 in their division last year? Don't they only play 6 divisional games?

Aren't we looking forward to next year instead of those past years? How many playoff games have they ever won? Now this year they are going to go 4-0 probably on the road and beat the best teams and win it all?

I didn't say anything about 8-0, but their draft have been much better and their organization's willingness to throw money at their team to win has improved.

Dex17 · 09-11-10, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by C-Gold

Dex17,

I didn't comment on defenses because I don't have all day, but I generally agree with your assessments. I think the 49ers already have a decent enough defense... especially at home... The 49ers have had good underrated LB's for the better part of 5 years enough names have changed and Willis is the best LB in the NFL now, the defense improved since they got rid of mike rumph years ago... Miami's is legit... the Texans MIGHT break out and be better this year, but I wouldn't really say they are much better than average.

I did take 2 futures bets...
Indy to win it all ( 5 units) pays 8/1
New York Giants to win it all ( 1 unit) Pays 25/1

Indy is my winner, I think they could go about 14-2, lock up homefield, and then pick off inferior opponents at home in the dome... NYG is just too good of value for a team that should make the playoffs, and I'll roll the dice at 25/1 for them to make some noise.

GL

BOL on your futures and other picks this season!

D3 Mighty Ducks · 09-11-10, 02:16 PM

Falcons are contenders

Full Time Hobo · 09-11-10, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by C-Gold

The Jets barley made the playoffs last year... Got hot at the end of last year... people remember what they saw LAST the MOST... then Rex Ryan yapps his mouth... the team signs some free agents... then the team gets a TV show... All of the things that gamblers like... free agents... "momentum"... "expsore"... hype... big city... the Jets got... Now is time to deliver... With Mark Sanchez and stone hands Braylon Edwards we'll see. it's still a QB league and the Jets aren't THAT dominant on defense yet to where they can win despite Sanchez. The team lost 7 games last year for a reason.

Good post.
Everyone is always talking the Jets and how Rex keeps yapping that they're the "Miami Heat of the NFL"... Jets are very overrated and people dont realize that they got into the playoffs because they won games at the end of the season to teams who were already in or gave up. They beat Cinci twice back to back weeks. and beat the colts the week before. Jets still dont have a decent offense. and their defense still could use some improvement in my opinion.

Cinci has not had back to back winning seasons since the 90's.... yea they went 8-0 in the division last year... but if you actually watched the games you would see how close they were... TO and OchoHomo will eventually tear that team apart this year. Not to mention Carson Palmer is still their QB. So i dont think they will be much of a contender this year.

Colts have a shot at goin back. I would definitely peg them for going to the playoffs. I dont see them winning. AFC got better this year and the Colts basically stayed the same in my opinion.

Go Ravens!

The Ravens are my team and I love seeing them get a lot of hype... but like a lot of teams this offseason i think its overrated. Offense improved alot this offseason but no one realizes that the defense is banged up and a year older. If the Ravens can handle the Bengals and Steelers they will definitely make it to the playoffs. I dont think they will take it all this year though.

surffreak · 09-11-10, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Augustus

Let's face the facts, how many superbowl losers make it to the final the following year?

but we are not talking about any team, its the colts. They are the exception, not the rule

Augustus · 09-13-10, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by surffreak

but we are not talking about any team, its the colts. They are the exception, not the rule

I don't think they can win their divsion this year. And I doubt they can win more than 8 games.

mvp123 · 09-13-10, 01:15 AM

c gold are you the same c gold that loves black qb ???

mvp123 · 09-13-10, 01:16 AM

you used to have a blog once and knew your shit too

the qb thing was a joke cuz we know how you despise them

Nats' Fan · 09-13-10, 01:34 AM

c-gold is the same racist douchebag from the rx. He doesn't know his ass from his elbow.. and by the way, he hates black people... nobody follow this piece of shit. If you don't believe me, go to the RX forum and ask around. He was banned there for his racist, KKK views.

Nats' Fan · 09-13-10, 01:35 AM

C-gold: if you post here again, I will copy and paste all of your racist bullshit from the RX forum. You've been warned.