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  • Hanlidin
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    • 08-12-10
    • 507

    #36
    Originally posted by Soxsfan9
    Ok a guy with less than 100 post should not be taken seriously.......
    are you fcuking stupid?? or are you just someone with no life and thinks SBR is your life?? wtf does my post count have ANYTHING to do with football or this argument?? LOLLL
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    • SpreadSniper
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 02-17-09
      • 6125

      #37
      you arent contributing any more than " real safties play FS, not SS" so stfu.... Like I said, I freaking HATE the Steelers, I hate Troy because he plays for the Steelers, I hate his stupid Head and Shoulders commercial, and I have Whoopi Goldbergs gums! But Troy IS the greatest SS to play the game and IS the most versitile defensive player in the NFL today.

      If you would like to refute what I have said, then feel free... just add some substance to your ramblings.
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      • Hanlidin
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        • 08-12-10
        • 507

        #38
        Originally posted by SpreadSniper
        you arent contributing any more than " real safties play FS, not SS" so stfu.... Like I said, I freaking HATE the Steelers, I hate Troy because he plays for the Steelers, I hate his stupid Head and Shoulders commercial, and I have Whoopi Goldbergs gums! But Troy IS the greatest SS to play the game and IS the most versitile defensive player in the NFL today.

        If you would like to refute what I have said, then feel free... just add some substance to your ramblings.

        you haven't added any substance to your shits that's coming out of your mouth either.. "troy IS the greatest SS to play the game and IS the most versatile defensive player in the NFL today" means jack shit..

        I can say Donovan mcnabb is the greatest player to ever play the QB position also, and the most versatile player at his position also... see my point? If you've never played REAL football in your whole entire life, then don't think you know jack shit about football.. .other than the fact that you get hyped up about big names...

        I don't give a shit if you hate the steelers, nor that you hate troy, nor that you are a shitty ravens fan PERIOD
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        • SpreadSniper
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-17-09
          • 6125

          #39
          explain how he is an "average" football player please.

          P.S - what NFL team do you play for?
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          • Hanlidin
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            • 08-12-10
            • 507

            #40
            idiot.. "REAL FOOTBALL" does not mean you have to play for the PROS or even college for that mattered... obviously you were very un-athletic when you were younger...
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            • Hanlidin
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              • 08-12-10
              • 507

              #41
              Explain how troy is/was the BEST SS to ever play this game?? besides what he says/she says.. or what you hear on espn or SEE on espn...
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              • Jshap1515
                SBR MVP
                • 02-16-09
                • 1023

                #42
                I absolutely HATE the Steelers but those are very impressive stats
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                • mcbogo
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 06-09-10
                  • 192

                  #43
                  Hanlidin, what the f... do u mean by REAL FOOTBALL?
                  can u do this?

                  or this?

                  if not, shut tha fu.. up!!!
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                  • Joe_Shabadoo
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 09-17-09
                    • 607

                    #44
                    Originally posted by Hanlidin
                    I don't really need to make my case... if you guys have ANY REAL KNOWLEDGE of football and has EVER played football knows that Troy is average at best.. the great safeties will always play FS instead of SS... Just like you nubs says the same thing about how "GREAT" tom brady is and how he's one of the best to ever played... even put him above peyton... <---- ROFLL!!! a few years later, no one ever talks about him anymore... you idiots are just all about hyped players. 1) play real football first 2) stop drinking too much k0o1-a1d!!

                    Your rhetoric is tiresome; a contingent of people who may very well indeed not know much of the intricacies of the sports just happen to adhere to a sentiment that has a good deal of veracity: Troy is, based on a play-by-play basis, wildly proficient.

                    Going against an apprently square view is not always the best way to get attention as someone who "really knows football."

                    Based on what Dick LeBeau has designed in his cover-3, SCIF concepts, it's readily demonstrable that most of the current form was based on Troy being on the field.

                    Is he a commensurate Ed Reed-type in the centerfield? No. Ed Reed is really the only player capable of fulfilling said quality, as the aforementioned euphism is with only Reed's capabilities in mind.

                    Troy's a defender with the change-of-direction skills and explosion of an elite skill position player, coupled with the functional strength of an athlete 40-lbs. larger, & a great, great mind.
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                    • slacker00
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 10-06-05
                      • 12262

                      #45
                      Originally posted by Hanlidin
                      idiot.. "REAL FOOTBALL" does not mean you have to play for the PROS or even college for that mattered... obviously you were very un-athletic when you were younger...
                      So you made your high school football team as "laundry boy" and now you're "someone". I see.

                      Keep pounding your chest, jock sniffer, maybe someone will find it amusing. So far, it's just annoying.
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                      • Wrecktangle
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-01-09
                        • 1524

                        #46
                        If you pick up the latest "Football Outsiders Almanac" you will see they have a table labeled "The Polamalu Effect, 2009" (P.216) which shows the effect this guy had in 2009. They basically spend a page on the very telling effect Troy has on Pit's defense. If you are not familiar with Football Outsiders, know this: they break down every play for trends.

                        Using their "Super Secret" DVOA metric, Pit drops from 1st to 14th in pass defense, and from 1st to 12th in points allowed (a real, understandable metric).
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                        • TheCommish
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-23-09
                          • 1013

                          #47
                          Best defensive player I've ever seen, in my opinion. he's incredible to watch.
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                          • icancount2one
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-05-10
                            • 1507

                            #48
                            Polamalu's acceleration and agility are unbelievable. With how often we see him come flying in to break up a pass from the edge of the TV screen, how can there be any doubt that the guy is a lock hall-of-famer? Whether he's just that much faster than anybody his size or just that much smarter, it doesn't matter, the guy is everywhere at once.

                            The only safeties I can think of who even come close to his value would be Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins when he was in his prime. Dawk has pretty sick sack and forced fumble stats for a "center field" safety.
                            Walter forgot... when you're desperate's when you got no choice.
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                            • Hanlidin
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                              • 08-12-10
                              • 507

                              #49
                              Idiots... watch troy break his leg and end his career this season.... troy is made of glass... he's over hyped and over rated.... just like Brady, n brees....
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                              • Vesuvius
                                SBR MVP
                                • 02-19-08
                                • 3886

                                #50
                                He is the heart of that defense.
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                                • sideline36
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 11-01-09
                                  • 215

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Soxsfan9
                                  Ed Reed is a ballhawk not a complete player like Troy!


                                  LOL! Reed is a hall of fame lock and you are talking about someone who cant stay healthy during his PRIME years. And please explain to me what part of Ed Reed's game makes him incomplete.
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                                  • Joe_Shabadoo
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 09-17-09
                                    • 607

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by sideline36


                                    LOL! Reed is a hall of fame lock and you are talking about someone who cant stay healthy during his PRIME years. And please explain to me what part of Ed Reed's game makes him incomplete.
                                    You're speaking of the apparent importance as to how good player is compared to his health, when Reed nearly had a career-ending ailment last season?
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                                    • Dirty Sanchez
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-01-10
                                      • 16031

                                      #53
                                      I would say he's got potential...I put him in the category of Bob Sanders of the Colts....he's got great talent, but he can't stay on the field because he's fragile.
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                                      • Full Time Hobo
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-16-10
                                        • 2778

                                        #54
                                        When he is healthy he makes a big difference for that defense. Just watch the games from last season. the Steeler defense doesnt play the same without him.

                                        he is a play maker
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                                        • Hanlidin
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                                          • 08-12-10
                                          • 507

                                          #55
                                          Finally some smart people come in... get off troys nuts, troy is very similar to bob sanders... sanders helped the colts shitty defense become a lot better...
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                                          • SECOND SHIFT
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 04-15-10
                                            • 338

                                            #56
                                            He is to the Steelers of today what Jack Lambert was to the Steelers in the 70's.However, the way he plays, there is no way he can stay healthy for the duration!!!
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                                            • Joe_Shabadoo
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 09-17-09
                                              • 607

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by Hanlidin
                                              Finally some smart people come in... get off troys nuts, troy is very similar to bob sanders... sanders helped the colts shitty defense become a lot better...
                                              Being succinct: Not your strong suit.

                                              He's similar in that he makes a defense a lot better?

                                              But we're all on his nuts, though, right?

                                              Maybe you have a point, that is: If you said something other than everyone else being ESPN-sheep, stupid or something else of the ilk like those that don't know nothin' about REAL football.

                                              Break down your points, if it so can be done with that wonderful mind.
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                                              • SECOND SHIFT
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 04-15-10
                                                • 338

                                                #58
                                                Ed reed is in. Troy still has work to do!!! He can get there!!!
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                                                • MJFtheGenius
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 05-31-07
                                                  • 7257

                                                  #59
                                                  I do not understand how someone can say he is that important to the steelers
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                                                  • Joe_Shabadoo
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 09-17-09
                                                    • 607

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by MJFtheGenius
                                                    I do not understand how someone can say he is that important to the steelers
                                                    I don't know, weigh the proficiency of their defense with & without him, watch a lot of film, and then ask the same question.

                                                    If you already have, then I think there is a fundamental impasse with what people are substantively taking in.
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                                                    • orlikowski
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 07-11-10
                                                      • 184

                                                      #61
                                                      Idk what Hanladin is on but Troy is a great player. When he plays for the steelers they have a top defense. He is a difference makers. His versatility is unbelievable. He can blitz can drop back into coverage. Offenses have to know where he is at all times.
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                                                      • Hanlidin
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                                                        • 08-12-10
                                                        • 507

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by orlikowski
                                                        Idk what Hanladin is on but Troy is a great player. When he plays for the steelers they have a top defense. He is a difference makers. His versatility is unbelievable. He can blitz can drop back into coverage. Offenses have to know where he is at all times.

                                                        And players like bob sanders can't do this?? even brian dawkins in his LATE stages of his career is STILL doing it.... stop drinking the koolaid of espn talks of troy and what he "does" to the steeler's defense.. LOLL
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                                                        • sideline36
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 11-01-09
                                                          • 215

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by Joe_Shabadoo
                                                          You're speaking of the apparent importance as to how good player is compared to his health, when Reed nearly had a career-ending ailment last season?
                                                          Even if Reed's carer ended last year Troy has a way to go to be in the same class! Dont get ,me wrong, Troy is good but dont let the media overblow your opinion. 3 years and what ifs dont count in my book. Plus the Steelers D isnt bottom level without him like alot of you like to rate them. Get off your high horse and see what the common folk are talking about!
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                                                          • Joe_Shabadoo
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 09-17-09
                                                            • 607

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by sideline36
                                                            Even if Reed's carer ended last year Troy has a way to go to be in the same class! Dont get ,me wrong, Troy is good but dont let the media overblow your opinion. 3 years and what ifs dont count in my book. Plus the Steelers D isnt bottom level without him like alot of you like to rate them. Get off your high horse and see what the common folk are talking about!
                                                            What are you talking about with this straw-man "common people" bullshit along with the uttering of, yet again, the "media-sway" card? This is based on weighted proficiency (footballoutsiders.com, smartfootball.com, brophyfootball.com, advancednflstats.com) and actually watching a LARGE number of games that Troy's played in. I know what I'm speaking of; this isn't just for the sake of argument.
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                                                            • Joe_Shabadoo
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 09-17-09
                                                              • 607

                                                              #65
                                                              LOLLOL

                                                              "er, uh, kool aid........get off of ESPN's dick.....lol......lol....."


                                                              Yes. Please continue. Being antithetical to what you THINK you're attacking takes no more actual knowledge than what you've been raving about.
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                                                              • slacker00
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 10-06-05
                                                                • 12262

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MJFtheGenius
                                                                I do not understand how someone can say he is that important to the steelers
                                                                Read the first post in this thread.
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                                                                • fedtpels
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 01-08-10
                                                                  • 407

                                                                  #67
                                                                  No doubt this guy dominates when he's on - it's a shame he's been hit with injuries recently cause we need him back so we can get to the super bowl - go steelers!
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                                                                  • mcbogo
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 06-09-10
                                                                    • 192

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by sideline36


                                                                    LOL! Reed is a hall of fame lock and you are talking about someone who cant stay healthy during his PRIME years. And please explain to me what part of Ed Reed's game makes him incomplete.
                                                                    if ward hit reed and knock him out i can't imagine if troy should have to hit him. reed tackels like a pussy. except for that he is verry good
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                                                                    • kaktuskaz
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 02-25-10
                                                                      • 29

                                                                      #69
                                                                      polamalu still is one of the top tier safeties in the league injury or not
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                                                                      • statnerds
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 09-23-09
                                                                        • 4047

                                                                        #70
                                                                        the true mark of a great player is that he makes the others around him better. he does that.

                                                                        not on his own mind you. his ability allows LeBeau to do things that offenses do not see. you don't see a safety showing blitz at the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped, and still covering a WR or TE down the field 10 or 15 yds on said play. he allows LeBeau to create schemes and blitzes that no other team can pull off. the things he does that don't make the stat sheet are the ones that are the most valuable.

                                                                        look up 'run support' as it relates to the safety position. how many RBs does he have to blow up in the backfield for you to give him credit.

                                                                        he is a unique player with unique talent.

                                                                        full disclosure: steelers fan my whole life, but not a homer. can tell you i expect an 8-8 or 9-7 season this year. but watching him every game when he is healthy is incredible. you should attend a game and watch all the things he does away from the ball.

                                                                        google some LeBeau interviews, gotta be one in their about Troy somewhere.
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