REDSKINS UNDER 7 1/2 Wins

[whatsgood5]

I couldn't disagree more with the original post. You are highly underestimating the Redskins. You have no idea about the ineptness of the past coaches. They were to quote my favorite former NBA player "TURRRIBLE." You could argue that they now have the best coaching staff in the NFC east. Not to mention when you compare this Redskins teams to past Eagles teams that Mcnabb played on that made it to the NFC championship game, I think it matches up favorably. This defense will be much improved under Haslett. It will be attacking and versatile. I'm not expecting 12 wins, but I don't think 9-7 is a stretch at all. Mcnabb is far from washed up. Kolb is not a precision passing machine, just look at his past stats. How one can conclude that after a couple training camp practices is beyond me. The only thing that could derail the skins at the moment is injuries and right now at the moment the Eagles are being derailed with Macklin and Jackson going down. Even if Kolb is a precision passer, which I'm not saying he is, he doesn't have the play making ability that Mcnabb does and if his WR's go down, and stay down, philly is screwed.

Sharp post. Most people don't remember our Head Coach last year was never more than a QB Coach...

[geebert74]

Solid play. They will have 5 wins.

[Numbnuts]

already plenty of controversy with Haynesworth being a bitch...................

[nobs]

Since John Elway retired 1998:

A TOTAL of ONE Division Championship. He couldn't even win his own division but ONE TIME in 11 years.

1 - 4 playoff record. A TOTAL of ONE playoff win in the last 11 years. They only made it 4 times anyway.


If you can resonably go through the schedule and point out 8 wins I will listen to the argument, but come up with some real reasons not, "Wade is too laid back". Laid back got them to 11-5 last year and the playoffs ....

Totally agree with this post.

Who knows, this play might lose, nothing is a guarantee, but I sure dont see the Redskins getting close to 8 wins on their schedule.

[jjgold]

With McNaab on team everything changes, this is the best QB they have had in over 20 years or so

No way Under

[vegasfred]

A TOTAL of ONE Division Championship. He couldn't even win his own division but ONE TIME in 11 years.

1 - 4 playoff record. A TOTAL of ONE playoff win in the last 11 years. They only made it 4 times anyway.

Yeah, does that tell you anything about him not being a to win 8 games or more.
The guy is a proven regular season winner. In 14 years at Denver Shanahan has only gone below 8-8 twice. 6-10 with Griese and 7-9 with Cutler, because he had two very inexperience Quarterbacks. If Donovan McNabb is healthy for the entire season, the Redskin will win at least eight games. McNabbs uncertainty is the only reason why I won't take a chance on this play.

Like I said in my original post, Shannys last 3 years he was eactly .500. And that was with 4 cupcake games a year against KC and Oak. You are asking the skins to be a .500 team in a division that they have a very good shot of coming in last place in. Even if they came in 3rd, it is very difficult for one division to house 3 teams at .500 or above. It's not impossible, but if you bet for any value whatsoever, you wouldn't take it. Bet with your head not your heart ....

[vegasfred]

When handicapping season win totals, you can't just blindly say that this team is better now beacuse they have a new coach so they will win at least 8 games and/or make the playoffs or vice versa. Season records are a product of the teams you face, the situations, and how the schedule falls for you. You have to use some foresight and go down the schedule and see where the team has a good shot, 50/50 shot, or almost no shot to win a game. Then come to your conclusion on a number. You also have to factor in some variance. The Rams beat them last year, what's to say they won't do it again this year, especially at the beginning of the year when that team still has some "hope".

Here are the main reason I would play them under (though I would stay away because the number is pretty sharp):

Sandwich City - I'm sure that if you go through the schedule and you think the skins will win at least 8 games, you have these games marked as W's: Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville. All three of these games fall in the proverbial sandwich category. Tennessee falls between an Eagles game and the Vikings game, TB between NYG and Dallas, and Jax also between NYG and Dallas. Historically let down spots where you would not be surprised to see a let down, especially since Tenn and Jax games are both on the road.

Bad road spots - If you have Chi and STL as W's be aware that the CHI game is AT Chicago and comes the week after the IND game. There's the possibility of a letdown after such a huge game on the schedule against the defending AFC champs. Also, no matter how bad they may be (though I think they'll be average), going to CHI is always a tough stop. As for STL, they may not be world beaters, but they will be at home early in the season and potentially be 1-1 after their game against the Raiders. The skins should win, but don't overlook young teams, at home, after a confidence boosting win, and still early in the season where they haven't been beaten down emotionally from losing all year. This early in the year, young teams still have "HOPE", which will make this game tougher than you think.

Possible slow start - sometimes losing breeds losing. There is a decent possibilty the skins will be 1-5 or 2-4 after the IND game. (Schedule: Dal (L),Hou(W/L), @Stl(W), @Phi(L), GB(L), Ind(L)) Pro sports are 75% mental. It may begin a bad snowball similar to last year.

[Snowball]

Skins can win the NFC East.

Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Willie Parker
with McNabb will have defenses

[vegasfred]

I couldn't disagree more with the original post. You are highly underestimating the Redskins. You have no idea about the ineptness of the past coaches. They were to quote my favorite former NBA player "TURRRIBLE." You could argue that they now have the best coaching staff in the NFC east. Not to mention when you compare this Redskins teams to past Eagles teams that Mcnabb played on that made it to the NFC championship game, I think it matches up favorably. This defense will be much improved under Haslett. It will be attacking and versatile. I'm not expecting 12 wins, but I don't think 9-7 is a stretch at all. Mcnabb is far from washed up. Kolb is not a precision passing machine, just look at his past stats. How one can conclude that after a couple training camp practices is beyond me. The only thing that could derail the skins at the moment is injuries and right now at the moment the Eagles are being derailed with Macklin and Jackson going down. Even if Kolb is a precision passer, which I'm not saying he is, he doesn't have the play making ability that Mcnabb does and if his WR's go down, and stay down, philly is screwed.

Any long extended loss of Maclin and/or Jackson will hurt the Eagles greatly, but they really do have a solid foundation everywhere else to be successful. Plus, other than last year and the TO year, it's not like they had world beaters on the outside anyway. Andy Reid is not a dope (though I think his extravagantly pass happy offense is a little much), that organization would not have pushed Donovan out the door if they didn't know what they had in Kolb. Philly fans had called for McNabbs head for years and the organization wouldn't succumb. They only did it now because they have a good replacement prepared and ready to go ...

[Doc JS]

The only reason I can see this going over is because I don't think the Giants or the Eagles are going to be any great shakes.
Shanny may get it turned around (but with Daniel Snyder as owner, I've got my doubts), but its gonna take a couple of years...

Doc

[Yankeeclipper22]

Any long extended loss of Maclin and/or Jackson will hurt the Eagles greatly, but they really do have a solid foundation everywhere else to be successful. Plus, other than last year and the TO year, it's not like they had world beaters on the outside anyway. Andy Reid is not a dope (though I think his extravagantly pass happy offense is a little much), that organization would not have pushed Donovan out the door if they didn't know what they had in Kolb. Philly fans had called for McNabbs head for years and the organization wouldn't succumb. They only did it now because they have a good replacement prepared and ready to go ...

While I understand your point. I think they have made a grave mistake. Kolb is not Mcnabb. The reason the Eagles did so well in the past without good WR is because of Mcnabb's play making ability. Kolb is not a runner. Kolb cannot extend a play the way Mcnabb could. I'm not saying he doesn't have potential, but I am saying plenty of football decision makers have made dumb moves based on potential. He will eventually be a very good player, but not this year. And mark my words, he will need good wrs to succeed in this offense where as Mcnabb will not.

For those of you who say Shanny was nothing without Elway, I say this, what is Mcnabb, this man is not garbage. He is a HOF worthy QB. If TO wouldn't have been a moron, they would have ended as the best QB WR tandem since Young to Rice or Montana to Rice. Don't believe me? Look at the stats. It's absurd.

The redskins D will be good. If Portis can be 75% of the back he was in the earlier years and say bring in 1,300 yards and Mcnabb can play 12 games, you have yourself 8 wins. I guarantee it.

[Doc JS]

Skins can win the NFC East.

Yeah, they CAN win the East...the season hasn't started, everybody is 0-0, optimism is everywhere...

but the reality is they are far more likely to finish third or fourth than first.

I mean do you really think they're better than Dallas? Really??


Doc

[vegasfred]

For those of you who say Shanny was nothing without Elway, I say this, what is Mcnabb, this man is not garbage. He is a HOF worthy QB. If TO wouldn't have been a moron, they would have ended as the best QB WR tandem since Young to Rice or Montana to Rice. Don't believe me? Look at the stats. It's absurd.

The redskins D will be good. If Portis can be 75% of the back he was in the earlier years and say bring in 1,300 yards and Mcnabb can play 12 games, you have yourself 8 wins. I guarantee it.

The knock isn't on McNabb who I like very much as a quarterback, it's on an overrated Mike Shanahan. His reputation has been built around a 3 year span 13 years ago where the Broncos won their 2 superbowls. He just hasn't done anything AT ALL since then. He kept his job because of the loyal nature Pat Bowlen has to his coaches. Name another coach that could have survived a 12 year stretch where they only won the division once ....

As for McNabb to TO as best QB tandem since Young/Montana to Rice, please give me some of what you're smokin'

Ok, I assume you're talking about the full year they had together in 2004. They had one good year together. The next year (partly due to injuries) they didn't put up great numbers. But for the sake of argument let's compare.

2004
McNabb - 3875 Yds, 31 TD, 8 INT
Owens - 77 Rec, 1200 Yds, 14 TD

Pretty good. Nice year for both guys. I don't know about "Absurd". Now look at this.

4338 yds, 32 TD, 12 INT
123 Rec, 1686 Yds, 14 TD

Whose numbers are these?............



Scott Mitchell to Herman Moore 1995. One good season doesn't tell the whole story ...

[icancount2one]

There's a lot of downside to the new look of the (previously 4-12) Redskins this year:

Shanahan is making his first order of business fixing what isn't broken. The new 3-4 defense, although it will give Orakpo better looks, often takes more than one season to fully adjust to and has more or less cost the Skins the dominating presence of Albert Haynesworth. The redskins rush defense was far more effective with Fat Al out there.

Larry Johnson, Haynesworth, Clinton Portis have all had their locker room/off-field troubles, and McNabb has had conflict with big personalities like T.O. and DeSean Jackson. If things get off to a rocky start there could be a blow-up.

Though anybody is better than Jim Zorn, I don't see how Shanahan still has the super-genius label. The man hasn't won much in the last decade. This really looks like a collection of has-beens from the coach all the way down.

Also, even if the Redskins manage to put together a decent season, there's a good chance McNabb will head over to Minnesota in free agency. Shanny's only got him for one year, and that may not inspire confidence in the offence to rally around their rent-a-franchise QB. How good McNabb will be as a redskin on the field has been debated to death, so I'm not opening that can of worms again, but the Redskins front office gave up some picks and shipped out a solid young starter. You Redskins fans had better hope the Skins are terrible this year so they can draft Luck or Locker.

EDIT: Also, McNabb throws an excellent deep ball and T.O. was an incredible deep threat in '04. The two could have gone a long way if they hadn't blown up.

[Yankeeclipper22]

The knock isn't on McNabb who I like very much as a quarterback, it's on an overrated Mike Shanahan. His reputation has been built around a 3 year span 13 years ago where the Broncos won their 2 superbowls. He just hasn't done anything AT ALL since then. He kept his job because of the loyal nature Pat Bowlen has to his coaches. Name another coach that could have survived a 12 year stretch where they only won the division once ....

As for McNabb to TO as best QB tandem since Young/Montana to Rice, please give me some of what you're smokin'

Ok, I assume you're talking about the full year they had together in 2004. They had one good year together. The next year (partly due to injuries) they didn't put up great numbers. But for the sake of argument let's compare.

2004
McNabb - 3875 Yds, 31 TD, 8 INT
Owens - 77 Rec, 1200 Yds, 14 TD

Pretty good. Nice year for both guys. I don't know about "Absurd". Now look at this.

4338 yds, 32 TD, 12 INT
123 Rec, 1686 Yds, 14 TD

Whose numbers are these?............



Scott Mitchell to Herman Moore 1995. One good season doesn't tell the whole story ...

Wow, Vegasfred, I concede to you. That mitchell moore stat is well, disturbing. Hahaha.

[Yankeeclipper22]

There's a lot of downside to the new look of the (previously 4-12) Redskins this year:

Shanahan is making his first order of business fixing what isn't broken. The new 3-4 defense, although it will give Orakpo better looks, often takes more than one season to fully adjust to and has more or less cost the Skins the dominating presence of Albert Haynesworth. The redskins rush defense was far more effective with Fat Al out there.

Larry Johnson, Haynesworth, Clinton Portis have all had their locker room/off-field troubles, and McNabb has had conflict with big personalities like T.O. and DeSean Jackson. If things get off to a rocky start there could be a blow-up.

Though anybody is better than Jim Zorn, I don't see how Shanahan still has the super-genius label. The man hasn't won much in the last decade. This really looks like a collection of has-beens from the coach all the way down.

Also, even if the Redskins manage to put together a decent season, there's a good chance McNabb will head over to Minnesota in free agency. Shanny's only got him for one year, and that may not inspire confidence in the offence to rally around their rent-a-franchise QB. How good McNabb will be as a redskin on the field has been debated to death, so I'm not opening that can of worms again, but the Redskins front office gave up some picks and shipped out a solid young starter. You Redskins fans had better hope the Skins are terrible this year so they can draft Luck or Locker.

EDIT: Also, McNabb throws an excellent deep ball and T.O. was an incredible deep threat in '04. The two could have gone a long way if they hadn't blown up.

Mcnabb isn't going anywhere. It's been widely reported he plans on finishing his career out here. I don't think that is remotely an issue. While I think I'm one of the people who will say Campbell was a better then avg qb and with a good oline he will be better, I don't think you can compare him to Mcnabb. I will say I think Shannys offense is better suited for Mcnabb then Reid's but I can't back that up. It's just my thought.

I also think you over estimate the D last year. They may have put up good stats, but they had very little turnovers. They really weren't that good. Haslett has also been quoted as saying you build your d around your best player and that is Orakpo, not Haynesworth. Hence the switch.

I will say I don't agree with your statement about d's taking a while. I feel that has been the thought on offense not defense.

This is great debate though.

[vegasfred]

What's real disturbing is that same year:

Brett Perriman 108 Rec, 1448 yds, 9 TD
Barry Sanders 1500 yds rushing, 12 TD

Oh the Glory Years of the Detroit Lions ..... How far they have fallen

[vegasfred]

Mcnabb isn't going anywhere. It's been widely reported he plans on finishing his career out here. I don't think that is remotely an issue. While I think I'm one of the people who will say Campbell was a better then avg qb and with a good oline he will be better, I don't think you can compare him to Mcnabb. I will say I think Shannys offense is better suited for Mcnabb then Reid's but I can't back that up. It's just my thought.

I also think you over estimate the D last year. They may have put up good stats, but they had very little turnovers. They really weren't that good. Haslett has also been quoted as saying you build your d around your best player and that is Orakpo, not Haynesworth. Hence the switch.

I will say I don't agree with your statement about d's taking a while. I feel that has been the thought on offense not defense.

This is great debate though.

Last year was the first year the Jets switched to the 3-4. They assimilated pretty quick. It's all about personnel ...

[nobs]

With McNaab on team everything changes, this is the best QB they have had in over 20 years or so

No way Under

JJGold have you lost your mind along with your hair

McNabb is older than my Grandpa, my great grandma remembers watching McNabb back in his early years. You think just because they added a 40 year old QB there in no way they will finish under .500 ? They play in the toughest division in the NFL and they could go 0-6 in their division. probably wont, but they very well could.

Still this team isnt egtting 8 wins just because they added a 40 year old overrated QB.

Do you think the Eagles would have let him go to Washington if he was really that great ? Can you name another time in the history of any big time sport where a team let their superstar QB go to a division rival ?

This team probably wins 4 or 5 games.

[Yankeeclipper22]

JJGold have you lost your mind along with your hair

McNabb is older than my Grandpa, my great grandma remembers watching McNabb back in his early years. You think just because they added a 40 year old QB there in no way they will finish under .500 ? They play in the toughest division in the NFL and they could go 0-6 in their division. probably wont, but they very well could.

Still this team isnt egtting 8 wins just because they added a 40 year old overrated QB.

Do you think the Eagles would have let him go to Washington if he was really that great ? Can you name another time in the history of any big time sport where a team let their superstar QB go to a division rival ?

This team probably wins 4 or 5 games.

If you think 34 is 40 you are sadly mistaken. I really think they gave up Mcnabb because what they got from the Skins is the best they were gonna get for Mcnabb considering he was one year away from free agency and they were at a crossroads with their team and Kolb

.

[Yankeeclipper22]

What's real disturbing is that same year:

Brett Perriman 108 Rec, 1448 yds, 9 TD
Barry Sanders 1500 yds rushing, 12 TD

Oh the Glory Years of the Detroit Lions ..... How far they have fallen

I think what is so hard for me to consider is just Scott Mitchell associated with anything glory. It's just, well, ridiculous.

[lakerboy]

Skins can win the NFC East.

Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Willie Parker
with McNabb will have defenses

I am starting to think they can do some damage as well. They will certainly win more than 4 games. This division isnt that good if you look at it closely besides dallas. The ginats wont do much and the eagles are primed for a step back.

[illmatick]

I see them finishing with 6 wins

[icancount2one]

Mcnabb isn't going anywhere. It's been widely reported he plans on finishing his career out here. I don't think that is remotely an issue. While I think I'm one of the people who will say Campbell was a better then avg qb and with a good oline he will be better, I don't think you can compare him to Mcnabb. I will say I think Shannys offense is better suited for Mcnabb then Reid's but I can't back that up. It's just my thought.

I also think you over estimate the D last year. They may have put up good stats, but they had very little turnovers. They really weren't that good. Haslett has also been quoted as saying you build your d around your best player and that is Orakpo, not Haynesworth. Hence the switch.

I will say I don't agree with your statement about d's taking a while. I feel that has been the thought on offense not defense.

This is great debate though.

It's been widely reported that McNabb will finish his career as a redskin? Well it was widely reported T.O. was going to Carolina for sure, and it's widely reported that Favre will not play another down of NFL football (again). I know the impending labor problems make getting a deal done hard, but since McNabb has not signed an extension and Favre may be done this year, and McNabb specifically came out and said if he was going to get traded he'd want to go to the Vikings... The Redskins may end up getting fleeced on this deal.

You're right that the Redskin D wasn't that dynamic, and now that I go to research my generalization, I'm having a hard time finding data. The Jets are loaded with playmakers on D, and I don't think are a good example to generalize with. Where can I find good data on a team's first year in a new scheme?

What do you think of the Redskins offensive line? McNabb throws a great deep ball, but can these guys get him the time?

[nobs]

When I last check didn't McNabb lead the Eagles to playoffs in 2008 and 2009You guys worry about his age is probably the biggest deception, his age will only affect him if he runs. The guy is still a great passer and can read defense, and he's got talented receivers to complement that. He will single handley improve this dreadful offense.

denver will win the west. They will beat the chefs twice, and the raiders again, and then washington giving them 10 wins, that alone might clinch them the division. This team is way too discipline under coach mcdaniels, to get lax and not play the bad teams seriously this year. And they'll pick up two more wins somewhere else giving them 12 total and 1st round bye. Those two wins will probably come from the steelers, giants, or san diego at home, or at philly, since mcnabb sux


SINCE MCNABB SUX

WOW. This Frostno guy cant make up his mind. who knows, maybe I will lose this play. I seriously doubt it, but nothings a lock. I think its a good thing that Frostno still isnt a pro, he apparently doesnt really bet. Thats a good thing, fuk one day the Broncos suck, the next day they are the best thing ever. one day "MCNABB SUX" the next day "he is a great passer who can read defense, and will single handidly improve this offense".



Brett Farve SUX errr I mean he is the best QB ever, no he sux, no he belongs in the hall of fame.

[EDDIE MONEY LINE]

mcnabb will not win less than 8 games

solid core of recievers also

[nobs]

we will see

[whatsgood5]

solid core of recievers also

was this a joke?

Moss is our #1 reciever, would be lucky to be a #2 on most teams. Not much after him other than Cooley as a TE

[13th Street]

[QUOTE=vegasfred;5768569]When handicapping season win totals, you can't just blindly say that this team is better now beacuse they have a new coach so they will win at least 8 games and/or make the playoffs or vice versa. Season records are a product of the teams you face, the situations, and how the schedule falls for you. You have to use some foresight and go down the schedule and see where the team has a good shot, 50/50 shot, or almost no shot to win a game. Then come to your conclusion on a number. You also have to factor in some variance. The Rams beat them last year, what's to say they won't do it again this year, especially at the beginning of the year when that team still has some "hope".



Just FYI: The Rams did not beat the Redskins last year. Final Score: Wash 9 - 7 Rams.
I remember that terrible game well.
I was in Vegas and had the Redskins in a 4 team Teaser and I had to sweat that game out.
3 FG's. What a joke from that offense.

[stealthyburrito]

i like you nobs but i hope you eat shit on this one

[EDDIE MONEY LINE]

Devin thomas...malcolm kelly

whats good u know this, and santana is a great reciever, he's just small

[xxxvince]

they should do it easily

[LostBankroll]

Dallas fan here and I must disagree and say they go 9-7 possibly 8-8.

McNabb = Proven QB

Portis,Parker,Johnson = Add depth to the RB possition

Cooley/Davis = Good Blocking and Catching TE tandem

Moss and Up and coming recivers will make McNabb a Pro Bowler again this year. Think about it he use to shit on D's years ago with shit receivers now he has enough weapons along with a renovated O-line.

Oh lets not forget the ROCK SOLID SKINS D. Skins always find themselves in the top 15 as far as defenses go. They can only get better in my view. Key will be up to Haslet to get them really going.

Oh lets not forget OLD FISHHEAD Mike Shannehan is coaching these **** he will make them eat shit to get to the playoffs.

Not saying the Skins make the playoffs, but they should be .500 AT WORST IMO.

I live in DC and trust me I hate these fuckers but I follow football and I get to analyze this team unlike you in Las vegas could.

OVER is the play.

[Goat Milk]

JJGold have you lost your mind along with your hair

McNabb is older than my Grandpa, my great grandma remembers watching McNabb back in his early years. You think just because they added a 40 year old QB there in no way they will finish under .500 ? They play in the toughest division in the NFL and they could go 0-6 in their division. probably wont, but they very well could.

Still this team isnt egtting 8 wins just because they added a 40 year old overrated QB.

Do you think the Eagles would have let him go to Washington if he was really that great ? Can you name another time in the history of any big time sport where a team let their superstar QB go to a division rival ?

This team probably wins 4 or 5 games.

um....you might want to get your facts straight before you start preaching to people about the redskins season this year.

[SportsPicks3434]

This one just jumps out at me as a play that I cant pass up. I can see why they are bumping up the Redskins win total so high, as this is an entirely different Redskins team than that from last year.

I think the books/Vegas is expecting a lot of squares to just come jumping on this Redskin bandwagon now as it is a 100% different team, and as a result this win total has been set way way way too high.

I see this total at 8 under -175 in one spot but in most places its under 7 1/2 +100 or +110. IMO there is no reason to lay the -175 juice because the Redskins wont even sniff 6 wins let alone 8.

The reason that the win total is set so high is this. They have a new coach in 2 time superbowl winner Mike Shanahan, They brought over Donavan McNabb from division rival Philly, they added Jason Campbell from the Raiders, they added Larry Johnson from teh Bengals, and Willie Parker from the Steelers.

They did all this adding while managing to hold onto all their star players. the Redskins return Santan Moss, Clinton Portis, and London Fletcher. I think the average bettor will look at this newly restyled Redskin team and think wow, they will win 8 games easy. I promise you that they wont.

Number 1, Donovan McNabb is an old man, who wasnt even that good 5 years ago. Dude is almost 34 years old, this guy is almost as old as Brett Farve. There is a reason that the Eagles let him go to a division rival, they know he isnt very good. Would the Colts trade Manning to Tennessee ? Would they Patriots trade Brady to The Jets ? Did the Packers trade Farve to the Vikings ? Of course not. The Eagles did it because they know that McNabb is not going to be a threat to them.

Next, there is a lot that this team will have a great running game since they added Johnson and Parker to shore up the backfield with Portis. These guys are all old, they are all in their 30's which is old in NFL terms. Last year, these 3 guys combined for a total of 1 touchdown and less than 490 total yards average. So its questionable to me why anyone thinks these guys are going to make the Redskins a running game powerhouse.

This team had the worst passing defense in the NFL last year and they didnt draft any linemen last year, so the whole job is pretty much left to Phillip daniels who is starting his 14th season and has only 3 sacks in the last 3 seasons.

This team is very old, this team has terrible pass defense and not very good rushing defense, this team also plays a very very tough schedule. This team flat out wont win 8 games. No way. Not in one of the best conferences in the NFL.

I am not sold on this offense as so many people seem to be, but even if you believe in this offense it doesnt do any good at all if your defense cant stop the opponent and get your offense back on the field. Dont forget, this team gave up 85 points in its last 3 games last season, and 158 points in its last 6. The defense was miserable and nothing has been dont to improve it.

The Redksins schedule is brutal. They obviously play 6 games against Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants. They will be very very lucky to go 2-4 in these 6 as the Cowboys and Giants will be very good and I think the Eagles will be pretty good as well. Then in non division games, they have to play Houston, Indianapolis, Green Bay, Chicago, Tennessee, Minnesota, and Jacksonville.

I really believe they will go 0-4 against the AFC South. That makes 8 losses right there even before you figure they probably go 1-2 against Green Bay, Minnesota, and the Bears.

I dont see how this total is 7 1/2 and + 100 to the under because I see the Redskins finishing 5-11 or 4-12.

Be real carefull with that wager.