Steelers discuss Roethlisberger deal with Raiders; Rams

[Enogsiwon]

Big Ben was never that good of a QB to begin with. He did nothing in the first Superbowl win. He certainly is nowheres near a Top 5 QB in the NFL. I'll take both Mannings, Rivers, Brees, Rogers, Romo, Palmer, and Brady over this guy any day. I would even take Jay Cutler over this guy. For one season, I would take Favre over him.

You couldnt be more wrong...

Peyton Manning is maybe the only guy you can say is clearly better than Ben..

We seen how good brady really is this last year..

Eli? are you fukking serious?

Ben does the little things that the average fukk doesnt realize better than anyone in the league.. He's got the "winner" gene like Joe montana.. There is no stat or combine that can tell you how good a QB really is.. He slip's tackles better than anyone Ive seen, rarely makes the Big mistake.. Knows how to manage a game..

You could argue he'll be one of the best ever when its all said and done..

Eli Manning?? sidearm slinging Rivers??

Youve lost your fukkin mind Pal...


King

[BigdaddyQH]

So you admit that you are a Pitt homer. That is O.K. Now as far as Big F**k up goes, he will remain a Steeler because his value is crap now. No one wants him, unless they can "steal" (excuse the pun) him. He is gone for 4 to 6 games now. He has a serious mental condition. He is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Simply put, he is not worth the risk to GM's around the league. Let's face it. If Oakland, and the king of the misfits Al Davis does not want him, who does? I mean, Big Ben is 50 times better than that fat, lazy slob of a QB they have playing now. You would think that Al, who never saw a misfit in his lie that he did not love, would jump at the chance of taking Big Ben. But from what I am being told, Al is trying to screw Pitt, by demanding Big Ben AND their #1 for Oakland's #1 and #3 or 4. This is waht I expected. As Pitt gets more and more desperate to unload Big Ben, the offers get worse and worse. So Pitt will keep him, finish out of the playoffs again (though I think that Cincy's run last year was a bit of a fluke) and hope that Big Ben can keep it zipped up, or unzip it for a hooker. What choice do they have? Actually Steeler backers in the gaming world should be happy that he is gone for 4 to 6 games. Last season, Pitt and Big Loser was 1-5 ATS in the team's first 6 games, and 5-10-1 overall.

[BigdaddyQH]

You couldnt be more wrong...

Peyton Manning is maybe the only guy you can say is clearly better than Ben..

We seen how good brady really is this last year..

Eli? are you fukking serious?

Ben does the little things that the average fukk doesnt realize better than anyone in the league.. He's got the "winner" gene like Joe montana.. There is no stat or combine that can tell you how good a QB really is.. He slip's tackles better than anyone Ive seen, rarely makes the Big mistake.. Knows how to manage a game..

You could argue he'll be one of the best ever when its all said and done..

Eli Manning?? sidearm slinging Rivers??

Youve lost your fukkin mind Pal...


King

One of the most idotic posts I have seen so far. Are you telling me that you actually think Big Ben is better than Brady? Better than Brees? Better than Rivers? Do you think that if Pitt could trade Big Ben for any one of those other QB's that they would not do it in a heartbeat? Do you actually think that sane people believe this?

Get a life, and stop making a total fool out of yourself. You obviously do not know squat about football. Try tennis or some other sport. Maybe the WNBA is your speed.

[Enogsiwon]

Brady and Peyton are the only ones you can argue..

Ben is clearly better than anyone else...

[BigdaddyQH]

So you are saying that Big Ben is better than Drew Brees? How about this. How about we both put up a grand and have a vote in here, amongst all of the posters, to see who they think is the better QB. Are you willing to do that, or are you going to make some stupid comment like you are better than the rest of the posters in here, and the rest of us do not know what we are talking about. Since you probably do not have a grand to lose, how about a wager for your measily 13 points? Are you man enough to back up your boasts with money, or points? I doubt it.

[Enogsiwon]

So you are saying that Big Ben is better than Drew Brees? How about this. How about we both put up a grand and have a vote in here, amongst all of the posters, to see who they think is the better QB. Are you willing to do that, or are you going to make some stupid comment like you are better than the rest of the posters in here, and the rest of us do not know what we are talking about. Since you probably do not have a grand to lose, how about a wager for your measily 13 points? Are you man enough to back up your boasts with money, or points? I doubt it.

Drew Brees is a system QB.. he'll never sniff another title..

You want me to risk money based on what these fukks have to say??

You yourself think Eli is better than Ben.. This statement alone has killed not only your credability, but SBR's also..

The King is done with this topic, Ill continue arguing for 10 points a post.. otherwise, I'm done

[cp3133]

I just want St. Louis to stay put so it doesn't screw with Detroit getting Suh....

[msec512]

I don't think he will be traded. But, I will be relieved after the top 10 picks have been made. I would hate to see Ben go.

[PAULYPOKER]

I hate to bust the bubbles out of Rams fans wand before they even float but Bradford will be a bust

[PAULYPOKER]

I don't think he will be traded. But, I will be relieved after the top 10 picks have been made. I would hate to see Ben go.

If they do trade Ben that will be the end of the Steelers for me as a fan all of my life because the Rooney's will be in the company of Al Davis in the group of delusion

[BigdaddyQH]

I hate to bust the bubbles out of Rams fans wand before they even float but Bradford will be a bust

I agree. This is why if the Rams are smart, they take Suh with the first pick, and grab McCoy with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. As far as I am concerned, McCoy has just as good a chance to make it in the NFL as Bradford does.

[PAULYPOKER]

I agree. This is why if the Rams are smart, they take Suh with the first pick, and grab McCoy with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. As far as I am concerned, McCoy has just as good a chance to make it in the NFL as Bradford does.

I concur BDQH

[Chi_archie]

Ben isn't the best QB in the NFL.... but I think he is the best qb FOR the Stillers.... there is a synergy there, and he is the best combo of a slinger and a game manager whilst being one of the hardest qb's to bring down in the history of the nfl. would Brees, Manning, or Brady thrive in the Pittsburgh? not as much as they do with their current teams...


its apples and oranges

[BigdaddyQH]

Drew Brees is a system QB.. he'll never sniff another title..

You want me to risk money based on what these fukks have to say??

You yourself think Eli is better than Ben.. This statement alone has killed not only your credability, but SBR's also..

The King is done with this topic, Ill continue arguing for 10 points a post.. otherwise, I'm done

Well there you have it guys. The "King" thinks that we are all a bunch of fukk ups. He thinks that he knows more about football than we do. He thinks that everyone here at SBR has no credability. What do you guys have to say to that?

I just love smart asses like the "King" who think they know more about football than any of us in here. This pauper is so sure that he knows more about football than we do that he is willing to label everyone who disarees with him a "fukk up". Well, let's show him who the "fukk up" really is. I will start another thread in another part of this forum quoting the "King". Then we can all tell him what we think of him.

[Chi_archie]

b-daddy? is it true, you think Eli > Big Ben?

[BigdaddyQH]

As a pure QB, yes. Would he make a better fit with the Steelers? Probably not. I agree with your statement that Big Ben possibly being a very good QB for the STEELER System, but if I were starting a team from scratch, with no system in place, I would take Eli over Big Ben. Big Ben has a huge cloud hanging over his head. He is a loose cannon, and aparently has a major mental hang up. I certainly would not risk having a QB who can go off the deep end at any time running my team. Eli has won a Superbowl. He has demonstrated that he is a team leader, both on andoff the field. The fact of the matter is that the Steelers did nothing last season because of injuries to their DEFENSE. Troy P. is much more valuable than Big Ben, and proved it. When healthy, the Steelers ran the table, thanks to brilliant defense. When injured, the Steelers could not even make the playoffs. If Big Ben was such a great QB, how come he was held to 17 or less points in 5 games last season? How come he was held to 14 points in a loss to Chicago and 6 points in a loss to Cleveland? Why did Pitt lose 4 out of 6 conference games? Why was Pitt held to 104 points in those 6 division games, an average of 17.33 points per game. We are talking about a division that had a 5-11 team in it. A division that did not have a team that won more than 10 games, and went 1-2 in the playoffs. It is not like we are talking about the Colts or Saints here.

[1UP]

It probably will not because Pitt is asking for the Raiders 1st pick plus Asomugha, and the Raiders are willing to do that, if Pitt throws in their first round pick in addition to Big Ben. That is how far Big Ben's stock has dropped.

Are you serious right now? That's a steal for Pittsburgh. For one, Jimmy Clausen is the likely target at 8. If there's an NFL ready QB, I'd take him and build the O-Line ASAP.

And second, you're telling me Nnamdi Asomugha and Troy Polamalu isn't one of the most dangerous secondaries in the league? If there's a knock on the Steelers D, it's their corners and now they'd have a shut down corner!?

This trade wouldn't even be fair.

[dannomatic]

Brees is a system QB who will never win another title? Watch Gruden's QB Camp and try to argue that (first 2 minutes):

[BigdaddyQH]

I agree. It would be a great deal for Pitt, but Pitt will not do it. They do not want to give up their first round pick, and they are going to have to to that if they want to move up. Basically, the rest of the league is holding Pitt hostage now. They are taking the attitude that "if you want to get rid of this nut case, don't expect full value for him". Now this may change between now and draft time, but I certainly do not see it happening. It appears that the question to be answered is if any of the Top 9 teams in the draft think that trading their #1 pick for Big Ben straight up is worth it, and if Pitt thinks that trading Big Ben for a High pick in the draft is worth it. So far, I have seen nothing to indicate that theanswer maybe "yes" on either account, but that could certainly change.

[daroots21]

Even though Ben is a good QB, the Raiders cannot make this move. They absolutely can't take the cap hit it would need to get him.

[Scorpion]

They cannot trade him to the Rams
Rooneys have paid Ben too much bonus already when he signed his $100 million contract and Bradford will get at least 40 million guaranteed, no way, the Rooneys are cheap, forget the Rams

Dumbass Art II put the Steelers in a bad position to trade Ben, he did it very poor job with Santonio Holmes and Ben in the last 2-3 weeks, this idiot is even worse than Al Davis, Art II is not ready to take over this org

[Nomocino]

Big Bens A Big Tool. He won his first Superbowl against the Seahawks thanks to all kinds of help from the refs, and won his second when another thug on his team made an incredible catch albeit a good throw.

[Enogsiwon]

Brees is a system QB who will never win another title? Watch Gruden's QB Camp and try to argue that (first 2 minutes):

Dan, you fall for this bullshit?

If abraham comes he just throws it to Colston... Not rocket science, J. Russell is probably the only guy that could fukk up that play... The Saints have so many weapons Brees knows they wont blitz.. How do you think the Cowboys fukked them up so bad.. their front 4 killed them..

Gruden is a professional bullshitter.. thats why he announces games on Monday's